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Forums > Windsurfing   Gps and Speed talk

Batten Tuning ?

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Created by berowne > 9 months ago, 13 Jan 2023
berowne
NSW, 1418 posts
13 Jan 2023 2:21PM
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Hi expert speedsters

How much difference does batten tuning make?

I recently bought a 5.0 and 6.2m Patrik SF set of cross-over sails for Slalom (Fin) and Foiling.

On Slalom they feel perfect. Great feeling, cam rotation is epic... the cams are so tight on the mast but flick around easily with wind from behind!

On Foil they feel again very good, but if I'm hyper critical, a little bit soft... I can feel the luff curve change in gusts.

So I want to know what happens to a sail if you replace the battens with stiffer ones... does it harm the slalom performance, making the sail too stiff and not forgiving over chop or gusts?

Thanks


Kym Roberts
SA, 254 posts
20 Jan 2023 5:19AM
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I'd personally leave it be

berowne
NSW, 1418 posts
30 Jan 2023 10:02AM
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That beautiful 6.3 is for sale now!

WindFlyer
159 posts
25 Apr 2023 6:49AM
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berowne said..

How much difference does batten tuning make?


won't go into rather complicated details since you're selling that sail.

but the short answer is: a lot, at least on the fin side of things.
suffice it to say that in the PWA, they need to use production boards and production sails; but they can use unlimited fins and sail battens. and believe, they do (or used to when it was all/mainly fins)

sailquik
VIC, 6157 posts
26 Apr 2023 12:15PM
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That sail looks very nice!

from my experience:

Changing the shape/taper of the front of the batten in cam sails makes very little difference and can actually destroy cam rotation, or lead to other issues with it. On most sails the profile shape is pretty much locked in by the sail shaping and changing the batten tips has little or no effect on it.

Changing the rear part of the battens can make a HUGE difference. Softening can allow the draught to move back, stiffening can really stabilise the draught. I am almost always looking to use the stiffest battens possible on the rear end of the battens. But some gains can be made in certain conditions by using softer battens around the boom to allow the draught to be a bit further back.

choco
SA, 4102 posts
27 Apr 2023 7:34AM
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@ 5.15 covers the subject

WindFlyer
159 posts
27 Apr 2023 6:14AM
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sailquik said..
That sail looks very nice!

from my experience:

Changing the shape/taper of the front of the batten in cam sails makes very little difference and can actually destroy cam rotation, or lead to other issues with it. On most sails the profile shape is pretty much locked in by the sail shaping and changing the batten tips has little or no effect on it.

Changing the rear part of the battens can make a HUGE difference. Softening can allow the draught to move back, stiffening can really stabilise the draught. I am almost always looking to use the stiffest battens possible on the rear end of the battens.


great summary! thanks! that mostly correlates with my experience/findings. i agree that stiffer taper sections aren't likely to improve the OP's sail from fin to foil mode and may bring in some unwanted rotation issues.


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But some gains can be made in certain conditions by using softer battens around the boom to allow the draught to be a bit further back.


this in an interesting insight!
i did not get conclusive results from cross-batten tweaking and may have to experiment some again.

WindFlyer
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27 Apr 2023 6:15AM
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choco said..
@ 5.15 covers the subject


great find!
thanks

BSN101
WA, 2341 posts
27 Apr 2023 1:39PM
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Do you rig the exactly the same for fin & foil? I use the Patrik GT3 5.0-7.4 for both and love this rig on both fin & foil. I aim to rig them the same way regardless of fin or foil. To spec & only maybe -1cm on DH. Lots of adj for draft with OH.

BSN101
WA, 2341 posts
30 Apr 2023 8:38AM
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Contact Patrik. He will help you out

Wind Foiler
WA, 142 posts
26 Sep 2023 7:52PM
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i would leave the battens alone. a lot of testing was done on batten stiffness!!! Hours and hours. you do need to adjust the tension on the battens they dont look good. Which mast are running?



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