Well that would certainly make sense. In my case, Canmores own software program will not clear the memory - that's seems to be a bit odd, or is it a monumental oversight? More likely something I have done methinks.
Select to expand quotefangman said..
Well that would certainly make sense. In my case, Canmores own software program will not clear the memory - that's seems to be a bit odd, or is it a monumental oversight? More likely something I have done methinks.
If your saying you have the canmore connected to you computer and using the canmore software installed in your computer. Then what I'm saying is empty the general computer trash from computer desktop
so what are your thoughts guys on gt-31 vs canmore . After all this testing is it a worthy replacement for the gt-31 which is impossible to get ?
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so what are your thoughts guys on gt-31 vs canmore . After all this testing is it a worthy replacement for the gt-31 which is impossible to get ?
IMHO as a result of 4 months or so of 'testing' :
Pros: very small,inexpensive, reasonably accurate,light,data logger. It's tiny size enables it to be mounted on your helmet easily -> nice clean signal always. Using Seaskips Kmart camera case idea,gives a very neat and durable/ waterproof mounting system. Batterylife ok, and memory ok. Functions as a flash memory drive via USB so easy to use on Mac or Windoze coupled with GPSResults or Ka72.
Cons: almost pointless display for on water review.( the downside of its tiny size is its tiny display that is too busy with data - it would be fine if just one data output was displayed at one time) IPX6 water resistance maybe optimistic. Units of measurement are metric, so when you do have a look at the screen with a magnifying glass you then have to do the rough conversions in your head to figure out your approximate numbers; and as a corollary to that, no on board firmware to enable analysis of all GPSTC fields.(max speed, average speed and distance only). After sales service??
Conclusion - if mine dies I will get another one, but will I seriously reconsider whenever Roo or Crwper or Locosys or whoever come up with a dedicated replacement for the GT31. If you want a datalogger, I would recommend because of its size and convenience and ease of mounting. If you want a speed genie function or want to review speeds on water, don't get one. 
Well elucidated Fangy. 
PS - I had to look up the meaning of corollary 
- I was expecting pictures of 1980 cars but there's no "corollation"[sic]
Select to expand quotesausage said..
- I was expecting pictures of 1980 cars but there's no "corollation"[sic]
oh groan...( not even your kids would give you a pass mark on that one) 
Select to expand quotefangman said..dusta said..
so what are your thoughts guys on gt-31 vs canmore . After all this testing is it a worthy replacement for the gt-31 which is impossible to get ?
IMHO as a result of 4 months or so of 'testing' :
Pros: very small,inexpensive, reasonably accurate,light,data logger. It's tiny size enables it to be mounted on your helmet easily -> nice clean signal always. Using Seaskips Kmart camera case idea,gives a very neat and durable/ waterproof mounting system. Batterylife ok, and memory ok. Functions as a flash memory drive via USB so easy to use on Mac or Windoze coupled with GPSResults or Ka72.
Cons: almost pointless display for on water review.( the downside of its tiny size is its tiny display that is too busy with data - it would be fine if just one data output was displayed at one time) IPX6 water resistance maybe optimistic. Units of measurement are metric, so when you do have a look at the screen with a magnifying glass you then have to do the rough conversions in your head to figure out your approximate numbers; and as a corollary to that, no on board firmware to enable analysis of all GPSTC fields.(max speed, average speed and distance only). After sales service??
Conclusion - if mine dies I will get another one, but will I seriously reconsider whenever Roo or Crwper or Locosys or whoever come up with a dedicated replacement for the GT31. If you want a datalogger, I would recommend because of its size and convenience and ease of mounting. If you want a speed genie function or want to review speeds on water, don't get one.
I quite like the sound of this. I presume it's accuracy would still be as good or better then my evil trackpoint gpsmap62. I'm not to fussed about knowing my numbers out on the water, I quite like the adventure of getting the stats when II upload to KA72. So when you say it won't do all the GPSTC fields, do you mean on the device? - can they still be obtained on ka72? Is this device accepted by GPSTC?
Sorry for all the questions
hey Stretch, all the fields for GPSTC ARE available when you upload the file to ka72. ( the unit writes them as a.fit file and Dylan @ka72 has modified the program to allow .fit files to be uploaded and analysed )
On water, or even in the carpark après sail, you can only get distance and max speed (in kms) and average speed off the unit directly.
The unit appears to be accurate but I dont know whether it has been accepted for use by GPSTC committee - can someone help me out here?
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hey Stretch, all the fields for GPSTC ARE available when you upload the file to ka72. ( the unit writes them as a.fit file and Dylan @ka72 has modified the program to allow .fit files to be uploaded and analysed )
On water, or even in the carpark après sail, you can only get distance and max speed (in kms) and average speed off the unit directly.
The unit appears to be accurate but I dont know whether it has been accepted for use by GPSTC committee - can someone help me out here?
Thanks Fangman. Bugger it, I bought one anyway. Hell, it's only $73 on EBay and I can use it on my mountain bike as well
Im tight, real tight, so it's good to spend less on a gps then on my board. This passes that criterion....just!
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The unit appears to be accurate but I dont know whether it has been accepted for use by GPSTC committee - can someone help me out here?
Daffy is the "technical advisor" and he seemed all in favour as it's accuracy seems to be as good as the GT31. I see no problems using it, but there hasn't been any discussion by the advisory committee.
Select to expand quoteStretchy said..
Thanks Fangman. Bugger it, I bought one anyway. Hell, it's only $73 on EBay and I can use it on my mountain bike as well....
Actually the onboard firmware for biking actually looks pretty good 
I have not tested one personally, but reports from those who have are very good, considering its limitations. The Canmore can't give accuracy information. In that respect it is similar to the older Garmin Fortrex and Geko we used to use and still allow. It's advantage is that it records Doppler based speeds and is therefore inherently, potentially much more accurate than the old Garmin models.
If you are limited by funds and just want something to give you some fun numbers at the end of your session, I see no reason at this time why it should not be allowed for the GPSTC. Just be aware that technically, speed accuracy can not be verified in the way it can be with the GT-31 and you may need to keep a good eye on the shape of speed graphs to spot and eliminate error spikes.
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I have not tested one personally, but reports from those who have are very good, considering its limitations. The Canmore can't give accuracy information. In that respect it is similar to the older Garmin Fortrex and Geko we used to use and still allow. It's advantage is that it records Doppler based speeds and is therefore inherently, potentially much more accurate than the old Garmin models.
If you are limited by funds and just want something to give you some fun numbers at the end of your session, I see no reason at this time why it should not be allowed for the GPSTC. Just be aware that technically, speed accuracy can not be verified in the way it can be with the GT-31 and you may need to keep a good eye on the shape of speed graphs to spot and eliminate error spikes.
That sounds like me, I'm only in it for fun.
Sure would like to crack 40 though
Wrist watch waterproof case for Canmore ?
Anybody spot one ? I use GP-102+ recently and love it but the aqupac is completely unsuited- too big and slipping of the arm ( when you dont have wetsuit - as we) .
I imagine small clear plastic wrist watch type case will be ideal....
Hi Macro, I've been thinking of another system to keep our devices waterproof.
You will need to test it for me though :-)
Like you I find the paqua/aqua bags bulky.
How about using those battery operated handheld food sealers ? Once ready to go on the water, turn the device on, put it in a small bag, seal it, shove it in a decent sport/phone armband and voila !
Doesn't need to be vacuum'ed like in the video
Select to expand quoteseanhogan said..
Hi Macro, I've been thinking of another system to keep our devices waterproof.
You will need to test it for me though :-)
Like you I find the paqua/aqua bags bulky.
How about using those battery operated handheld food sealers ? Once ready to go on the water, turn the device on, put it in a small bag, seal it, shove it in a decent sport/phone armband and voila !
Doesn't need to be vacuum'ed like in the video
You see, If we only have bluetooth or similar and wireless recharging this devices could be made completetly waterproof ( like your tooth brush) in first place without need for USB port.
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induction recharging !!
but never the less what do you think of my idea ?
That is even better what I do now. After one year of constant using , my aqua pack is leaking water terribly, so I put GPS always into small plastic bag, rubber bend of end. Then to aqua pac.
Here is interesting experiment I did today - carrying two GPS our popular GT31 and new one Canmore 102+ almost identical ,
With me being tech savvy enough to be dangerous on a computer. Could somebody please post the easy to follow steps to get my information from my Canmore GP102 onto my Mac and beyond?
Thanks in advance PK
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With me being tech savvy enough to be dangerous on a computer. Could somebody please post the easy to follow steps to get my information from my Canmore GP102 onto my Mac and beyond?
Thanks in advance PK
Hey PKenny, on a mac, plug in Canmore unit via mini usb cable to keyboard outlet or back of the computer, turn on the Canmore unit and let it boot up for 10 secs or so, then go to Finder, scroll down to Devices and "Canmore" should show. Double click on Canmore which will then show the files. Click on GP 102, then Activities and then you will get a file something like '001.fit'. This is the file you upload to Ka72 or into your GPS software. Hope this helps.
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PKenny said..
With me being tech savvy enough to be dangerous on a computer. Could somebody please post the easy to follow steps to get my information from my Canmore GP102 onto my Mac and beyond?
Thanks in advance PK
Hey PKenny, on a mac, plug in Canmore unit via mini usb cable to keyboard outlet or back of the computer, turn on the Canmore unit and let it boot up for 10 secs or so, then go to Finder, scroll down to Devices and "Canmore" should show. Double click on Canmore which will then show the files. Click on GP 102, then Activities and then you will get a file something like '001.fit'. This is the file you upload to Ka72 or into your GPS software. Hope this helps.
And just as a follow on. When the Canmore is full it will not write anymore files, so you have to empty the memory. This may require getting access to the hidden files on the unit.
It is a two step process to empty the memory and a bit of a pain in the arse the first time you do it.
Firstly trash all the .fit files in the Activities folder on the Canmore. What happens is these files are moved to the hidden folder on your Canmore called .Trashes, but you will find that the memory is still all full.
It maybe that the you can then write new files once this step is done - Perhaps someone has tried and can let us know? And if so then the job is done
But if not then:
The second step is to empty the .Trashes folder. This is done by simply dragging it to trash as well.
However Macs do not default to showing hidden files so you have do this this little routine:
Viewing hidden files on a Mac is useful for accessing the hidden UNIX directories or for recovering Music from an iPod.
To view hidden folders:
Open the Terminal (located in /Applications/Utilities/)
At the command prompt type
defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles -bool true
Press return to execute the command.
(Sometimes for the the changes to take effect, either log out then log back in again, or relaunch Finder )
To hide the hidden files again:
Open the Terminal
At the command prompt type
defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles -bool false
then press return to execute the command.
Log out then back in again, or relaunch Finder (explained above).
Select to expand quotefangman said..fangman said..
PKenny said..
With me being tech savvy enough to be dangerous on a computer. Could somebody please post the easy to follow steps to get my information from my Canmore GP102 onto my Mac and beyond?
Thanks in advance PK
Hey PKenny, on a mac, plug in Canmore unit via mini usb cable to keyboard outlet or back of the computer, turn on the Canmore unit and let it boot up for 10 secs or so, then go to Finder, scroll down to Devices and "Canmore" should show. Double click on Canmore which will then show the files. Click on GP 102, then Activities and then you will get a file something like '001.fit'. This is the file you upload to Ka72 or into your GPS software. Hope this helps.
And just as a follow on. When the Canmore is full it will not write anymore files, so you have to empty the memory. This may require getting access to the hidden files on the unit.
It is a two step process to empty the memory and a bit of a pain in the arse the first time you do it.
Firstly trash all the .fit files in the Activities folder on the Canmore. What happens is these files are moved to the hidden folder on your Canmore called .Trashes, but you will find that the memory is still all full.
It maybe that the you can then write new files once this step is done - Perhaps someone has tried and can let us know? And if so then the job is done
But if not then:
The second step is to empty the .Trashes folder. This is done by simply dragging it to trash as well.
However Macs do not default to showing hidden files so you have do this this little routine:
Viewing hidden files on a Mac is useful for accessing the hidden UNIX directories or for recovering Music from an iPod.
To view hidden folders:
Open the Terminal (located in /Applications/Utilities/)
At the command prompt type
defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles -bool true
Press return to execute the command.
(Sometimes for the the changes to take effect, either log out then log back in again, or relaunch Finder )
To hide the hidden files again:
Open the Terminal
At the command prompt type
defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles -bool false
then press return to execute the command.
Log out then back in again, or relaunch Finder (explained above).
I just tried the same method I use for deleting file off a USB/hardrive/memory card and its seemed to work.
Firstly move unwanted items to Trash and then empty the Mac's Trash while the memory device is attached. It seems to have worked at this stage. Capacity and available memory are the same figure.
Select to expand quotePKenny said..fangman said..fangman said..
PKenny said..
With me being tech savvy enough to be dangerous on a computer. Could somebody please post the easy to follow steps to get my information from my Canmore GP102 onto my Mac and beyond?
Thanks in advance PK
Hey PKenny, on a mac, plug in Canmore unit via mini usb cable to keyboard outlet or back of the computer, turn on the Canmore unit and let it boot up for 10 secs or so, then go to Finder, scroll down to Devices and "Canmore" should show. Double click on Canmore which will then show the files. Click on GP 102, then Activities and then you will get a file something like '001.fit'. This is the file you upload to Ka72 or into your GPS software. Hope this helps.
And just as a follow on. When the Canmore is full it will not write anymore files, so you have to empty the memory. This may require getting access to the hidden files on the unit.
It is a two step process to empty the memory and a bit of a pain in the arse the first time you do it.
Firstly trash all the .fit files in the Activities folder on the Canmore. What happens is these files are moved to the hidden folder on your Canmore called .Trashes, but you will find that the memory is still all full.
It maybe that the you can then write new files once this step is done - Perhaps someone has tried and can let us know? And if so then the job is done
But if not then:
The second step is to empty the .Trashes folder. This is done by simply dragging it to trash as well.
However Macs do not default to showing hidden files so you have do this this little routine:
Viewing hidden files on a Mac is useful for accessing the hidden UNIX directories or for recovering Music from an iPod.
To view hidden folders:
Open the Terminal (located in /Applications/Utilities/)
At the command prompt type
defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles -bool true
Press return to execute the command.
(Sometimes for the the changes to take effect, either log out then log back in again, or relaunch Finder )
To hide the hidden files again:
Open the Terminal
At the command prompt type
defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles -bool false
then press return to execute the command.
Log out then back in again, or relaunch Finder (explained above).
I just tried the same method I use for deleting file off a USB/hardrive/memory card and its seemed to work.
Firstly move unwanted items to Trash and then empty the Mac's Trash while the memory device is attached. It seems to have worked at this stage. Capacity and available memory are the same figure.
That seems a much better solution. I will try that in future. Thanks for that PK
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That seems a much better solution. I will try that in future. Thanks for that PK
Isn't that exactly what I tried to tell you a while back?????
Or aren't I making myself clear?Select to expand quote
fangman said.. Well that would certainly make sense. In my case, Canmores own software program will not clear the memory - that's seems to be a bit odd, or is it a monumental oversight? More likely something I have done methinks.Select to expand quote decrepit said
If your saying you have the canmore connected to you computer and using the canmore software installed in your computer. Then what I'm saying is empty the general computer trash from computer desktop
hmmm -- seems clear enough to me, what did I do wrong?
Select to expand quotedecrepit said..
fangman said..
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That seems a much better solution. I will try that in future. Thanks for that PK
Isn't that exactly what I tried to tell you a while back?????
Or aren't I making myself clear?
fangman said.. Well that would certainly make sense. In my case, Canmores own software program will not clear the memory - that's seems to be a bit odd, or is it a monumental oversight? More likely something I have done methinks.
decrepit said
If your saying you have the canmore connected to you computer and using the canmore software installed in your computer. Then what I'm saying is empty the general computer trash from computer desktop
hmmm -- seems clear enough to me, what did I do wrong?
Decrepit you know my default setting is not to listen to anything from you Yes sorry my bad, I obviously let that one go through to the keeper without offering a shot....but it was almost two weeks ago, what chance did I have of remembering that?
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Decrepit you know my default setting is not to listen to anything from you
>>>
Well I suspected that, but didn't want to mention it.
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PKenny said..
With me being tech savvy enough to be dangerous on a computer. Could somebody please post the easy to follow steps to get my information from my Canmore GP102 onto my Mac and beyond?
Thanks in advance PK
Hey PKenny, on a mac, plug in Canmore unit via mini usb cable to keyboard outlet or back of the computer, turn on the Canmore unit and let it boot up for 10 secs or so, then go to Finder, scroll down to Devices and "Canmore" should show. Double click on Canmore which will then show the files. Click on GP 102, then Activities and then you will get a file something like '001.fit'. This is the file you upload to Ka72 or into your GPS software. Hope this helps.
And just as a follow on. When the Canmore is full it will not write anymore files, so you have to empty the memory. This may require getting access to the hidden files on the unit.
It is a two step process to empty the memory and a bit of a pain in the arse the first time you do it.
Firstly trash all the .fit files in the Activities folder on the Canmore. What happens is these files are moved to the hidden folder on your Canmore called .Trashes, but you will find that the memory is still all full.
It maybe that the you can then write new files once this step is done - Perhaps someone has tried and can let us know? And if so then the job is done
But if not then:
The second step is to empty the .Trashes folder. This is done by simply dragging it to trash as well.
However Macs do not default to showing hidden files so you have do this this little routine:
Viewing hidden files on a Mac is useful for accessing the hidden UNIX directories or for recovering Music from an iPod.
To view hidden folders:
Open the Terminal (located in /Applications/Utilities/)
At the command prompt type
defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles -bool true
Press return to execute the command.
(Sometimes for the the changes to take effect, either log out then log back in again, or relaunch Finder )
To hide the hidden files again:
Open the Terminal
At the command prompt type
defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles -bool false
then press return to execute the command.
Log out then back in again, or relaunch Finder (explained above).Select to expand quotefangman said..PKenny said..
With me being tech savvy enough to be dangerous on a computer. Could somebody please post the easy to follow steps to get my information from my Canmore GP102 onto my Mac and beyond?
Thanks in advance PK
Hey PKenny, on a mac, plug in Canmore unit via mini usb cable to keyboard outlet or back of the computer, turn on the Canmore unit and let it boot up for 10 secs or so, then go to Finder, scroll down to Devices and "Canmore" should show. Double click on Canmore which will then show the files. Click on GP 102, then Activities and then you will get a file something like '001.fit'. This is the file you upload to Ka72 or into your GPS software. Hope this helps.Select to expand quotePKenny said..
Thanks for that. My daughter is taking the canmore for a run now as a tester.
That was really easy to use once I got my act together and stopped logging every km I did in the car and turn up at the beach with Canmore charged.
Serial Number: User Name: ActivityDevice: Development.0..fit
Development.0..fitAll results are Doppler.Session Date:11/7/2014Number of Points:3371Location: (Suggest Another Name)Coffin Bay, SA, AUApprox Timezone:92 Second Peak (kts):16.685x10 Average (kts):15.18Top 5 5x10 speeds:16.27Top 5 5x10 speeds:15.87Top 5 5x10 speeds:15.28Top 5 5x10 speeds:14.58Top 5 5x10 speeds:13.891 Hr (kts):0Alpha 500 (kts):6.43Nautical Mile (kts):7.22100m peak (kts):16.05Total Distance (km):5.56
Results Link (to revisit this page): Google Earth Overlay
It wasn't a terrific sail 10-15kts Nth for about 1/2hr then dropped to nothing. Sure beats working and it was good to see how this thing works.
Thanks again for the tech help.
Hi I am quite new on this forum but topic of GPS measuring is hot for me - I found another interesting alternative for GT-31 unit from VELOCITEK. In fact they offer pro sailing machines on their website, there is good real time demo for these units as well and they are full waterproof + optimised for real time speed and position monitoring - definitely it is interesting and worth to check:
www.velocitek.com/
1. prostart - unit optimised for start time countdown and the GPS monitoring
Technical SpecificationsSpeed Accuracy: ±0.2 KnotsHeading Resolution: 1°Display Update Rate: 2Hz (twice a second)Water Resistance: 3m / 10 ft (IPX-8)Display: 30mm / 1.18” digit height 120° viewing coneData Logger: Lat, Long, Time, Speed, and Heading recorded every 2 seconds, 30hr capacity. Data download is compatible with Mac OS X and WindowsBatteries: 3 x AA, 20+ hr endurance, rechargeable or disposableDimensions: 120mm x 175mm x 40mm / 4.72” x 6.89” x 1.57”Weight Including Batteries: 448g / 0.99lbBracket Compatibility: Velocitek ProStart Mast Bracket or any Tacktick Micro Compass bracket.GPS Chipset: u-blox LEA-5MWarranty: Two years
2. speed puck - looks like it is good for speed surfers, too
Speed Accuracy: ±0.2 KnotsHeading Resolution: 1°Display Update Rate: 2Hz (twice a second)Water Resistance: 3m / 10 ft (IPX-8)Display: 27mm / 1.06” digit height 120 degree viewing coneData Logger: Lat, Long, Time, Speed, and Heading recorded every 2 seconds, 20hr capacity. Data download is compatible with Mac OS X and WindowsData download requires Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7 or Mac OS X 10.6.Batteries: 3 x AA, 20+ hour endurance, rechargeable or disposableDimensions: 115mm / 4.5" diameter, 27mm / 1.06" thick.Weight Including Batteries: 295g / 0.65lbGPS Chipset: u-blox LEA-4AWarranty: Two years
your opinion?
