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Mast grab gybe ?

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Created by Macroscien > 9 months ago, 8 Oct 2014
N1GEL
NSW, 861 posts
11 Oct 2014 12:45PM
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Very interesting reading. I gybe boom-to-boom and always strap-to-strap, but until I read everyone's post I never realised there was so much to it all. I've always done it how I do it and have just gone with what feels natural. The only thing I think I'll take from all of this and change is the overhand grip, which makes a lot of sense. As for the rest of it, it's all good info and the videos are great to watch, but for me, if I was thinking too much about all of this while I was mid-gybe, I'd probably screw it. Also, I think when learning in lighter (but planning) winds, grabbing the mast is a great way to learn.

Nigel

Bonominator
VIC, 5477 posts
11 Oct 2014 4:56PM
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All this has got me thinking that I should think more about this gybing thing..

I've been doing this for 27 years but it's never too late to recalibrate!

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8019 posts
11 Oct 2014 9:15PM
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sailquik said..
OK. Milsy is partly correct. I classify slalom gybes in two ways. 'Strap to strap' and 'Step'. Mine is a modified S2S. There is not another generic description of it. It is in the S2S category, as it NOT a 'Step' Gybe.

Truth be told, my step gybe is not as good so I seldom use it unless using a big sail, overpowered in rough water or when marginally planing (can't plane through). I find that at high speed on flat water, the step gybe has much more tendency to upset the glide and balance of the board as it almost forces you to get your weight very far forward on the board as you step, and then you must drop the rig towards the tail a lot. This results in a rocking of weight from back, to forward, to back again, slowing the glide. In an overpowered situation in rough water, this is not as important as pure control, which is why it is mostly favored by slalom racers.

In the 'pure' strap to strap gybe that Milsy describes, the old front foot goes to the centre of the board between the straps. Your full weight goes onto it as your old back foot is inserted into the new front strap as you sheet in. Then all the load from the sail goes onto your front foot as you put the back foot in. This works well on a wave board or another draggy board with the center of resistance well forward, but on a slippery slalom board the center of resistance is well back towards the fin of you are still planing free. This means that if you try to put the front foot in and transfer all your weight to itas you sheet in, the board will bog down and you won't be able to rake the rig back and keep pressure on the fin to accelerate. So instead, I put the new front foot in the centrer between the straps to drive the board and get the back foot in to maintain that as the board accelerates. Then you can maintain drive as you slip in the front foot.

On a smallish slalom board in flat water at high speed such as in a Alpha situation, most of the best Alphas I have seen are modified 'strap to strap'. This also becasue in a high G turn, you don't have time to do the two stage step then flip, and if you do, you are more likely to upset the board and have a longer pause between power off and power on.

On my 40cm speed board I actually skip the foot on the rail at the start. I start the carve with my foot almost in the opposite front strap and parallel to the rail. As I flip the rig I simply twist my foot a little so it ends up in the other front strap and sail away with both feet more or less in the front straps until I have enough speed to move my new back foot to the center of the board or the back strap. There is very little room for your feet on these boards and they bog down very quickly if you have any weight back so this keeps the weight well forward as the rig flips.

On my wave board I usually do the classic 'strap to strap' that Milsy described.


In any case, you don't want to grab the mast if you possibly avoid it!

That used to be how I did my best gybes - powered up (4msail) with smaller boards..didn't know it was a technique though..I sail waveboards..

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8019 posts
11 Oct 2014 9:18PM
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Trousers said..
Back in the day when I first learned to survival gybe (ugly but dry), I used to grab the mast as an intermediary stage between alternate sides of the boom. I started getting a lot better over seasons, until I plateaued at carving in confidently but never quite punching out.
Determined to gybe better, I studied the theory then took about a season to un-train myself of some bad habits. Now I go from boom to boom every time. Its much more economical and less disruptive to board trim (which is king in planing out).


Yeah I relearnt it all the 'correct' way.. still coming out the other side but can really notice all the little things that make it work.Now I just have to get the bow & arrow stance and looking over my shoulder into the entry down pat..

sailquik
VIC, 6094 posts
11 Oct 2014 9:37PM
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sboardcrazy said..

Yeah I relearnt it all the 'correct' way.. still coming out the other side but can really notice all the little things that make it work.Now I just have to get the bow & arrow stance and looking over my shoulder into the entry down pat..


It's better to look where you are going!

Mehore
NSW, 87 posts
12 Oct 2014 11:03AM
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Gestalt said..
here you go milsy. this is exactly what daffy does


Did i miss something?? Close. and beautiful gybes but no strap to strap. From a slalom point of view. Maybe Wave.
I don't get you Gesalt!??

Gestalt
QLD, 14393 posts
12 Oct 2014 10:19AM
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ok.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8019 posts
14 Oct 2014 11:07AM
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sailquik said..
sboardcrazy said..

Yeah I relearnt it all the 'correct' way.. still coming out the other side but can really notice all the little things that make it work.Now I just have to get the bow & arrow stance and looking over my shoulder into the entry down pat..


It's better to look where you are going!


Which is over my shoulder..

Roar
NSW, 471 posts
16 Oct 2014 7:49AM
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Strap to strap at 1/4 speed.

.be

sailquik
VIC, 6094 posts
16 Oct 2014 9:43AM
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Very Nice!

yoyo
WA, 1646 posts
17 Oct 2014 11:48AM
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Ditto



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