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Why are people still using unapproved devices (X)

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Created by http418 > 9 months ago, 12 Jun 2016
http418
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12 Jun 2016 4:56PM
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gpsteamchallenge.com.au/sailor_session/show?date=2016-06-11&team=118

After all the cr@p over the past year people still posting from unapproved devices and worst off all still claiming there PBs. A 32 nautical in barely 20 knots oh yeh right. same captain same team same bs. just sayin

Jas71
QLD, 384 posts
12 Jun 2016 7:57PM
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Some peoples egos are related to there results and some just enjoy there sailing. Don't sweat it.

AusMoz
QLD, 1451 posts
12 Jun 2016 8:44PM
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http418 said..
gpsteamchallenge.com.au/sailor_session/show?date=2016-06-11&team=118

After all the cr@p over the past year people still posting from unapproved devices and worst off all still claiming there PBs. A 32 nautical in barely 20 knots oh yeh right. same captain same team same bs. just sayin


Why is some of the unapproved devices more reliable then the approved devices?

decrepit
WA, 12093 posts
12 Jun 2016 7:02PM
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Why is some of the unapproved devices more reliable then the approved devices?


I'm sure if you submit evidence of your claims this situation will change.

kato
VIC, 3398 posts
12 Jun 2016 11:00PM
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AusMoz said...
http418 said..
gpsteamchallenge.com.au/sailor_session/show?date=2016-06-11&team=118

After all the cr@p over the past year people still posting from unapproved devices and worst off all still claiming there PBs. A 32 nautical in barely 20 knots oh yeh right. same captain same team same bs. just sayin


Why is some of the unapproved devices more reliable then the approved devices?

If you believe that there are better devices than what's approved state your case to the GPSSS community and the GPSTC but!!!!!!! Do the Tech stuff yourself and submit your results. Don't expect all these volunteers to do the hard work for you. Remember folks its for fun and fudging results is dumb. When people use non aproved stuff the results are questionable and maybe we should have another category for such results so they can play too .

AUS4
NSW, 1254 posts
13 Jun 2016 6:11AM
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http418 said..
gpsteamchallenge.com.au/sailor_session/show?date=2016-06-11&team=118

After all the cr@p over the past year people still posting from unapproved devices and worst off all still claiming there PBs. A 32 nautical in barely 20 knots oh yeh right. same captain same team same bs. just sayin



Since when is a GT 31 not an approved device you idiot???
i suggest you get off your computer learn how to windsurf and stop crying.

http418
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13 Jun 2016 6:43AM
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http418 said..
gpsteamchallenge.com.au/sailor_session/show?date=2016-06-11&team=118

After all the cr@p over the past year people still posting from unapproved devices and worst off all still claiming there PBs. A 32 nautical in barely 20 knots oh yeh right. same captain same team same bs. just sayin





Since when is a GT 31 not an approved device you idiot???
i suggest you get off your computer learn how to windsurf and stop crying.



If hes using a gt31 why arent the results doppler then genius?


conan
NSW, 173 posts
13 Jun 2016 9:21AM
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http418 said...
gpsteamchallenge.com.au/sailor_session/show?date=2016-06-11&team=118

After all the cr@p over the past year people still posting from unapproved devices and worst off all still claiming there PBs. A 32 nautical in barely 20 knots oh yeh right. same captain same team same bs. just sayin


Who are you , were you down there were i was sailing.What type of person creates a new identity to call a fellow windsurfer a cheat . A spinless one.
I use a GT 31 the same one i have used since June 2010 , lf this is not an approved unit why did we use it at green island this year .
I think you should get of your computer and learn to windsurf
Just saying.





I use gps speedsailing to get my results usually i used ka 72 compare.
Wayne.

powersloshin
NSW, 1683 posts
13 Jun 2016 9:28AM
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I think the suspicion arised because the results in gpstc show non-doppler, which is strange when you post directly from ka-72. Anyhow to keep any scrutinizing more credible and civilized it would be much better to go through the team captains and gpstc committee instead of posting anonymously on seabreeze.

Congratulation Conan, great mile ! having seen you sailing with a 6.3 in 40 knts at Prymbee I have no doubts it was legit.

conan
NSW, 173 posts
13 Jun 2016 9:49AM
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What is doppler?

aussieboats
NSW, 342 posts
13 Jun 2016 10:39AM
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aussieboats
NSW, 342 posts
13 Jun 2016 10:41AM
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Just put Waynes results in realspeed and Nm is correct , had several real good runs as well , Wayne well done

Ian K
WA, 4048 posts
13 Jun 2016 8:57AM
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Since when does Primbee only blow 20 knots? It might average 15 -20 but.....


www.bom.gov.au/products/IDN60701/IDN60701.95748.shtml

(Add a few knots on top of the Albion Park readings )

Need some red thumbs for that initial post. Or just delete the whole thread.

ka43
NSW, 3074 posts
13 Jun 2016 11:07AM
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Getting real sick of this "Just saying" getting on here and creating trouble. Im quite happy to not be captain (only reason I am is I did the organising to start a new team). Why don't you show your real identity (another brand new identity) instead of making derogatory posts and casting aspersions??
Waynes data was checked and is legit.

BSN101
WA, 2286 posts
13 Jun 2016 9:17AM
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I want to have a go there too

shear tip
NSW, 1125 posts
13 Jun 2016 11:26AM
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I'm 100% behind Larko as our captain and 100% that Wayne is an awesome sailor.

JUST SAYIN'

conan
NSW, 173 posts
13 Jun 2016 11:48AM
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Thanks for the support guys.

sick_em_rex
NSW, 1600 posts
13 Jun 2016 1:29PM
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Hey Wayne, you're a legend bud! We all know your abilities. Jealousy is a curse.
Like that stick figure says "haters gonna hate"

http418
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13 Jun 2016 11:48AM
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I use gps speedsailing to get my results usually i used ka 72 compare.
Wayne.


looks to me like you picking and choosing which software gives you best results. Like you took the alpha from ka72 but other scores from somewhere else.

sick_em_rex
NSW, 1600 posts
13 Jun 2016 2:07PM
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http418 said...
gpsteamchallenge.com.au/sailor_session/show?date=2016-06-11&team=118

After all the cr@p over the past year people still posting from unapproved devices and worst off all still claiming there PBs. A 32 nautical in barely 20 knots oh yeh right. same captain same team same bs. just sayin

Your grasp of what speed is achievable in 20 knots of wind is mirrored in your lack of grammatical skills. 32 knots in 20 knots of wind is very possible. Flat water and the right angle means you should nearly double the wind speed.

sailquik
VIC, 6090 posts
13 Jun 2016 4:15PM
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Calm down people. I thought the same two things when I saw the original post:

1. Why is it Trackpoints ? (X)

2. It is very unusual for the best NM to be so close to the best 2 sec and 5X10 sec.

I could not find the track data on KA72 originally, because I am not as familiar with it as I could be if I used it more, so I asked for the file to be sent in.

Meantime, I had a second search when I saw the pic of it on KA72 and then I found it.

It is a perfectly legitimate run.

It checks out very well indeed and the unusual thing about it is that the best 2 second, 10 second and NM are all in the same one run!

This does not happen very often in most places but it is perfectly understandable at a place like Primbee on the squall of the day!

The original questioning of the post was quite legitimate in its substance, if not the way it was done. It is infinitely preferable to go through the team captain or the committee in such matters rather than start an inflammatory thread on this forum. We know how that always goes.......

So to Conan: Please use the drop down box when posting from a GT-31 (or GW-52) and label your post as Doppler speeds (D) which is what they are.

And well done on a smoking Nautie!



AUS4
NSW, 1254 posts
13 Jun 2016 5:54PM
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So now what !! Does Conan get a face to face apology from this on going fool. Or do you / we condone this behaviour ?

powersloshin
NSW, 1683 posts
13 Jun 2016 5:56PM
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But all this could have been avoided if posting directly from ka72, that sets doppler automatically. It is easy to overlook when posting manually. But nothing better than a bit of bitching on a windless weekend . Thanks http418 !

sick_em_rex
NSW, 1600 posts
13 Jun 2016 6:02PM
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George, it WAS posted on KA72. As Andrew said "Meantime, I had a second search when I saw the pic of it on KA72 and then I found it. "

Do not thank http418, no thanks should ever be given to someone who is not man enough to back their accusations up without giving us their real name. They are a true coward.

Jas71
QLD, 384 posts
13 Jun 2016 6:16PM
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relax everybody we sail for fun.

decrepit
WA, 12093 posts
13 Jun 2016 4:35PM
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conan said..
What is doppler?


Conan this deserves an answer.
Basically the earlier GPSs calculated speed from the positional data, this lacks accuracy because the position is low definition it's only accurate to meters.
So later units use doppler, this is the same principle of radar speed guns, as you move relative to a frequency source, the frequency changes, it drops as you go away from it and increases as you approach. The faster you do this the more the effect. A common example is a police or ambulance siren, the note changes as the vehicle passes you, and changes from approaching to departing.
That's why there's the d and t options on the site, it denotes whether you're using an old legacy unit that can overstate your numbers by 2 knots or so, or a newer unit that is potentially more accurate.

So for the GT31 you should select the "d" option on your posts. (unless your software only calculates in trackpoints, but then you should be using better software).
The only possible exception is distance, some of the software uses the trackpoint info and others the doppler data to do this.

OH YES, big congrats on that NM!
Must admit I thought you must have got the gust of the day to get a NM so close to the 2s, and from everybody else's comments about that day's sailing you obviously did.

powersloshin
NSW, 1683 posts
13 Jun 2016 6:54PM
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Hi Rexi, I think Conan posted manually and then also posted the file on ka72, because from ka72, when you select post to gpstc you will find that it sets the Doppler automatically. My comments were ironic, my position is that this should have been handled through the captains...
Cheers

Mehore
NSW, 87 posts
13 Jun 2016 9:26PM
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IT is a shame what some clowns post with out any true knowledge. I too wouldn't doubt that post from Wayne. A fantastic sailor and congrats on an awesome Naughty and hope you got a Naughty for your effort lol. Can we just ignore posts from unknown wanna be grubs, unless they make themselves known. Just Saying

AJEaster
NSW, 696 posts
14 Jun 2016 8:23PM
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http418: the world is a much safer place because of you..........what a fkn junior burger stooge you are

congrats on the Nm PB Conan



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