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Created by eyeMhardcor > 9 months ago, 21 Oct 2014
eyeMhardcor

eyeMhardcor

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21 Oct 2014 5:53PM
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I seen some double forwards online and was thinking I might learn them.

Does anyone have any advice?
Should I learn to do just one first?

stehsegler

stehsegler

WA, 3494 posts
21 Oct 2014 6:08PM
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eyeMhardcor said..
Should I learn to do just one first?


No need... Two are actually easier to learn than one.

The most important thing is that you must rig a sail 0.5 to 1 sqm bigger than you can comfortably hold. You must sheet in and hit a ramp at full speed. A 20 cm ramp on a lake is plenty big.

Make sure you are hooked into the harness lines before you take off. Once in the air let go of the front hand and pull in the back hand while looking over your shoulder. This will start you rotation. You can make the rotation faster by putting your free hand on the shoulder over which you are looking.

You can do one, two or even three forwards all in one go that way. How many is up to you. Just put your front hand back on the boom, unhook and stop looking over your should ... the rotation will stop.

Easy peasy ... FYI backloop is exactly the same except you have to look over your other shoulder so you rotate into the opposite direction... hence the name backloop.

Pushloops are a bit more tricky.

sv2

sv2

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21 Oct 2014 9:32PM
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stehsegler said..

eyeMhardcor said..
Should I learn to do just one first?



No need... Two are actually easier to learn than one.

The most important thing is that you must rig a sail 0.5 to 1 sqm bigger than you can comfortably hold. You must sheet in and hit a ramp at full speed. A 20 cm ramp on a lake is plenty big.

Make sure you are hooked into the harness lines before you take off. Once in the air let go of the front hand and pull in the back hand while looking over your shoulder. This will start you rotation. You can make the rotation faster by putting your free hand on the shoulder over which you are looking.

You can do one, two or even three forwards all in one go that way. How many is up to you. Just put your front hand back on the boom, unhook and stop looking over your should ... the rotation will stop.

Easy peasy ... FYI backloop is exactly the same except you have to look over your other shoulder so you rotate into the opposite direction... hence the name backloop.

Pushloops are a bit more tricky.



Hey Stehsegler
what are you trying to do ? Kill this poor guy ?everbody knows you don't put your hand on the shoulder you hang it out the side in shaka formation if you don't do that it is not a trick you can nail

Mark _australia

Mark _australia

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21 Oct 2014 8:55PM
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eyeMhardcor said..
Should I learn to do just one first?





Pushloops are a bit more tricky.




Except for those of us who used to over rotate our pushloops, so we now do pushloop into forward.

But rest of you, just carry on.



eyeMhardcor

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22 Oct 2014 12:59PM
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eyeMhardcor said..
Should I learn to do just one first?



You can do one, two or even three forwards all in one go that way. How many is up to you.




I think your taking the piss. I need actual advice. I can do chop hops no worries and I've landed a couple donkey kicks so I'm ready for doubles

tomp

tomp

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22 Oct 2014 8:33PM
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sounds like you're taking the p...

if not, check your health insurance is up to date 'cause it sounds like you'll be getting injured

xoff

xoff

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22 Oct 2014 11:01PM
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I'm interested too. Can move the daggerboard up and down sweet as, still having trouble uphauling though.....
Advice: FFS make sure you flush your wetty out properly. Theres no use coming in and acting all cool after your first double, smelling like p*ss!!

boardboy

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22 Oct 2014 11:48PM
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eyeMhardcor said..

stehsegler said...

eyeMhardcor said..
Should I learn to do just one first?




You can do one, two or even three forwards all in one go that way. How many is up to you.





I think your taking the piss. I need actual advice. I can do chop hops no worries and I've landed a couple donkey kicks so I'm ready for doubles


are you kidding? you ask for advice, you get perfect,descriptive and accurate information and accuse the provider of this great information off taking the piss. your an ingrate. work it out yourself then.

Mark _australia

Mark _australia

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22 Oct 2014 9:59PM
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Oh come on fellas stop being silly and help him. He obviously is ready - after a chophop and donkey kick. Never been so ready.


Best advice is you need more downhaul. And a 2015 board.
You will nail it.


waveslave

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22 Oct 2014 10:02PM
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eyeMhardcor said..
I seen some double forwards online and was thinking I might learn them.

Does anyone have any advice?



Just close your eyes before you throw one down.

That's all I ever did.

Worked for me.

Mark _australia

Mark _australia

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22 Oct 2014 10:36PM
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and if you fail, go kiting and yell "windsurfing has been cancelled"

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xoff

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23 Oct 2014 12:55AM
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Ok.... ok seriously (sorry cant get the image)

www.lolbrary.com


eyeMhardcor

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23 Oct 2014 5:52AM
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Thanks for the tips. I tried yesterday and got 1 and 3/4 way around. Caught it on vid for ya


Cambodge

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23 Oct 2014 1:34PM
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Thanks for the tips. I tried yesterday and got 1 and 3/4 way around. Caught it on vid for ya






You'd have made it if you'd been wearing your red polka dot bikini rather than that unfashionable black wettie.

stehsegler

stehsegler

WA, 3494 posts
23 Oct 2014 10:48AM
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Ah yes. When people start out the most common mistake is to start the rotation before having the feet in the foot straps. Even pros makes this mistake sometimes... except for Koester, he seems to have suction cups for feet.

Also, if you stall a bit more before you start the rotation that will give you enough time to spot the landing and be more committed.

Lastly, try and rotate more vertical rather than horizontal. This way you can use the mast like a pole vault pole and assist with the rotation.

All that said, you obviously didn't read my original post. Your sail is probably a 5.4/ 5.3. In those conditions you need a 6.2 at least.



Sparky

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WA, 1121 posts
23 Oct 2014 11:14AM
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Also, apart from downhaul, do you have the right fins? Do you need to be using a quad?

whyner

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23 Oct 2014 3:12PM
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Thanks for the tips. I tried yesterday and got 1 and 3/4 way around. Caught it on vid for ya





Close enough to a double, I'd call that a make

sv2

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26 Oct 2014 9:27PM
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eyeMhardcor said...
Thanks for the tips. I tried yesterday and got 1 and 3/4 way around. Caught it on vid for ya






Close enough to a double, I'd call that a make



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whyner said..

eyeMhardcor said...
Thanks for the tips. I tried yesterday and got 1 and 3/4 way around. Caught it on vid for ya






Close enough to a double, I'd call that a make


ok you want to do a forward ,I slow mowed your vid , 1st curl your toes to grip the board better so they don't come out of the straps 2nd heaps of speed and head down wind a bit,3rd get your back hand and move it down the boom 4th hit your bit of chop at speed tuck you your head and keep your eye on your mast base ( as your body follows your head so keep it tucked ) as you go round and pull your back hand in on the boom to help you rotate if you want to do a more horizontal forward look at the back of the boom as you rotate, to land release your back hand as you Land ,
remember all this in about 1 second ,hope this helps cos I don't want you to waste 15 seconds of my life with a vid like that again ! So give that a go and show us the out come

Mark _australia

Mark _australia

WA, 22891 posts
26 Oct 2014 9:43PM
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Straight thru to the keeper......

gavnwend

gavnwend

WA, 1369 posts
25 Nov 2014 5:01PM
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say a little pray just before you hit that ramp.

Greenroom

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WA, 7608 posts
25 Nov 2014 11:23PM
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Always have the dagger board up and make sure your wishbone is tied on nice and tight to your one piece fibre glass pole.

jsnfok

jsnfok

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26 Nov 2014 10:08AM
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Also, apart from downhaul, do you have the right fins? Do you need to be using a quad?


yea ive heard that you do, other wise you will over rotate on a single

also change your board settings to forward rotation preference and the sail settings to over sheet, its like an assist to help with the rotation, i have found the best way to enter a rotation is to hit something first to start the rotation, say a mooring line or sandbar, sharks work but are hard to find, try to be underpowered and over finned as it will reduce your overall sailing abiity and build up aggression.

jsnfok

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26 Nov 2014 10:09AM
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Greenroom said..
Always have the dagger board up and make sure your wishbone is tied on nice and tight to your one piece fibre glass pole.


so dont use aluminium poles

sausage

sausage

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26 Nov 2014 12:30PM
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Oh I am so enjoying this thread. If only I had an alter ego too on SB (I have my suspicions of who eyemhardcor is normally around here ) I'd be able to post the video I think he is clearly taking aim at with this thread.

Carantoc

Carantoc

WA, 7032 posts
26 Nov 2014 12:41PM
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I think you may find double's tricky to learn in the South Sandwich Islands.

I would suggest you take a weekend break to Gerroa. That is where the only real wave sailing is done in Australia.

You may have to search on line for directions though as I heard it is a bit of a secret spot.

eyeMhardcor

eyeMhardcor

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29 Nov 2014 2:36PM
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Thanks girls, I'm getting close now since getting that advise. The centre board tip was gold.

Hardcore ain't no pretender. I is born like this

gmitton

gmitton

SA, 1439 posts
29 Nov 2014 9:30PM
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Big tickets on Gerroa. There are other spots that are pretty good you know!

Donk

Donk

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2 Dec 2014 8:17PM
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It was off it's face yesterday when I went past. To hard-core for me.


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