I just got the HA 1180 foils thinking this could replaces my MA 1750 and MA 1475.would be nice to have a table with ma on one side and the equivalent HA on the other. Make it easer for me and others to decide on my next Ha thinking HA980 and keeping my MA 1000. for decent wave sizes. Weight 88 kg 70 this month.
MA 1750. =. v2 HA Riders Weight
MA 1475. = HA
MA 1225 =. HA
MA 1000. =. HA
This is what you want. m.facebook.com/groups/armstrongfoilriders/permalink/950917516337950/?
From the facebook post m.facebook.com/groups/armstrongfoilriders/permalink/950917516337950/?
The guy is a ripping rider, about 80kgs probably. For me at 100kgs, this has roughly worked out for me too. 1180 replaced my 1750 (and the 1180 has a faster top end and i can take it into stronger winds) and the 880 replaced my 1250. But the 880 seems so easy to get up on foil that (i) i cant see myself touching the 1250 again, and (ii) i'm wondering if i should have got the 780 instead.
THE HA FOIL RANGE - SIZE MATTERS
I've spent about a month demoing out the V2 HAs here on Maui. It's mostly been to those who had been using the V1 HAs or MAs, but also to those who had been using setups from other brands, primarily, F-One, Unifoil, and GoFoil. The majority of demoing has been for winging and prone, but also for SUP and DW. This post offers some guidance for figuring out what to get.
The breakdown below offers a guideline of equivalence between the V1 and V2 HAs in terms of lift and stall speed. Comparing stall speed is useful but it's important to remember that the V2 HAs have a foil section which allows for them to stall gradually, unlike how the V1 HAs would tend to just drop at a certain low speed and angle-of-attack. Each recommended V2 HA is considerably more stable across all axes-and they roll better and stay with waves so much more predictably. A rider comfortably using one or more of the V1 HAs for winging or prone can rely on the following:
WINGING AND PRONE
1525: 1180
1325: 1080 or 980*
1125: 880
925: 780
725: 580 or 680**
525: N/A
* The 1080 has a slightly lower lift speed but the 980 has a more similar stall speed.
** The 680 has a slightly lower lift speed but the 580 has a more similar stall speed.
The breakdown below offers a guideline of equivalence between the MAs and V2 HAs in terms of lift and stall speed. The MAs are better suited for powered winging but many here have been opting for the V2 HAs because of wanting to ride waves with less effort (less turning) or to have more lift relative to size. A rider comfortably using one or more of the MAs for winging or prone can rely on the following:
WINGING AND PRONE
1750: 1080 or 1180*
1475: 980
1225: 880
1000: 780
800: 680 or 580**
625: N/A
* The 1080 has a similar lift speed but the 1180 has a more similar stall speed.
** The 680 has a noticeable lower lift speed but the 580 has a more similar stall speed.
Thanks great information looks like I should get the HA 880 as the 980 my be to close to the 1180.
I'm 85 kg and use the 880 as my low wind foil (10-14 knots). Combined with a 5.3 XPS and a mid-length board of 85 L.
The 880 is more than enough under these conditions. I also have the 680 and prefer to use it over the 880. It is a much, much more lively foil. The 880 is a bit of a tractor.
You can go much smaller in the HA V2s than you first imagine. So I agree with the Facebook recommendation of changing to a 780 from the MA1000 for winging.
Here is some recent footage of me in exactly those conditions I described above - 10-14 knots on the 880.
This sentence caught my eye: "The MAs are better suited for powered winging."
Why? Do you agree?
Select to expand quotechoosywinger said..
This sentence caught my eye: "The MAs are better suited for powered winging."
Why? Do you agree?
and for this make a decent tow foil - under power. Ma has a much higher stall speed than the HA. But less wing span, lower aspect so can be turned harder and has a remarkable breach ability. I'd say the MA makes a good powered winging foil in waves. Anything else - nah.
How do the Armstrong APF foils compare with the Armstrong HA's. I ride the APF1675 in light winds 10-12 knots. Pops up easy. Which HA is similar and how does it compare?
Select to expand quoteFoilnut said..
How do the Armstrong APF foils compare with the Armstrong HA's. I ride the APF1675 in light winds 10-12 knots. Pops up easy. Which HA is similar and how does it compare?
Slightly more more speed needed as you'd expect but much faster with far more glide. Can't get away with physics and design. I'm not a big fan of the APF for anything apart from dock starting of which is was designed for. Too slow for winging, makes an okay wing to learn DW paddle but quickly becomes way too slow for ocean moving swells.
Thanks for all the very helpful advise . this is what I went with.
HA 1180 got the HA880 using on my new ML85l board
Went with the HA880 over the HA980 because of the ML board . Should move along faster than my old FG 88 L board.
My thinking is get gear that will make my life easy . With more fun on the water.
Select to expand quoteGone to dark side said..
Thanks for all the very helpful advise . this is what I went with.
HA 1180 got the HA880 using on my new ML85l board
Went with the HA880 over the HA980 because of the ML board . Should move along faster than my old FG 88 L board.
My thinking is get gear that will make my life easy . With more fun on the water.
yeh good call.
