It has been quite some time that Armstrong introduced some new foils for the pace they where releasing in the past. Does somebody know which projects are in the pipeline? Just curious to know 
Select to expand quoteRobert211 said..
It has been quite some time that Armstrong introduced some new foils for the pace they where releasing in the past. Does somebody know which projects are in the pipeline? Just curious to know
I think you can see across the industry that it slowed down obviously. Last 2 years we had almost 2 new foils every year from every brand and most of the brands have every discipline covered now and newer versions would probably not make a huge difference .
Some talk of MA version 2 protos floating about and testing of new tails. Obviously the new prone board has been released recently. HA version 2 ticks so many boxes not sure there's any reason for any product releases at the moment.
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Is there a new XPS wing coming out?
I'm wondering about this too. Hopefully a boom.
Race front wings coming. Then probably new MAs don't think we see new XPS till end of Q2 2025
I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.
Select to expand quoteTooMuchEpoxy said..
I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.
Not sure what this has to do with the threads purpose but ..
are you relating this to the Australian market. If so - we are entirely irrelevant and the numbers in markets that count are doing very well.
They did lose a lot of riders with the MA but the new Ha is bringing some back into the fold again.
As well as for all the other brands. We don't mean diddley squat. I'd say all brand market share is being diluted somewhat as there are soo many good brands out there now. But the actual units moving are still very healthy.
But i will concede the rate of growth could stabilise out soon if it hasn't already.
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I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.
On this side of the pond, Armstrong doing very well. ML boards are a success, not to mention how many people got the HAv2. The progression, at least here, is to start with Sabfoil/North and once you know what you doing, invest in an Armstrong kit. Used Armstrong stuff sell easy, particularly boards, sails and HA v2.
Armstrong needs a faster high perf foil. I ordered the DWP755 to complement the HA780. Will see if I really can get 2-3kt more and to what extent I have to trade-off turning and ease of use.
Curious how these incoming Race foils will look like.
Select to expand quoteSlowlyButSurely said..TooMuchEpoxy said..
I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.
On this side of the pond, Armstrong doing very well. ML boards are a success, not to mention how many people got the HAv2. The progression, at least here, is to start with Sabfoil/North and once you know what you doing, invest in an Armstrong kit. Used Armstrong stuff sell easy, particularly boards, sails and HA v2.
Armstrong needs a faster high perf foil. I ordered the DWP755 to complement the HA780. Will see if I really can get 2-3kt more and to what extent I have to trade-off turning and ease of use.
Curious how these incoming Race foils will look like.
Yeah! Bought the 685 for the same reasons, just wrote something about that in the DWP for winging post. Really curious for the race wings as well and their differences in design.
Select to expand quoteSlowlyButSurely said..TooMuchEpoxy said..
I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.
On this side of the pond, Armstrong doing very well. ML boards are a success, not to mention how many people got the HAv2. The progression, at least here, is to start with Sabfoil/North and once you know what you doing, invest in an Armstrong kit. Used Armstrong stuff sell easy, particularly boards, sails and HA v2.
Armstrong needs a faster high perf foil. I ordered the DWP755 to complement the HA780. Will see if I really can get 2-3kt more and to what extent I have to trade-off turning and ease of use.
Curious how these incoming Race foils will look like.
How do you like winging on the 755 so far? Also doing DW runs (with wing) with it? How is the top-end?
Select to expand quoteSlowlyButSurely said..TooMuchEpoxy said..
I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.
On this side of the pond, Armstrong doing very well. ML boards are a success, not to mention how many people got the HAv2. The progression, at least here, is to start with Sabfoil/North and once you know what you doing, invest in an Armstrong kit. Used Armstrong stuff sell easy, particularly boards, sails and HA v2.
Armstrong needs a faster high perf foil. I ordered the DWP755 to complement the HA780. Will see if I really can get 2-3kt more and to what extent I have to trade-off turning and ease of use.
Curious how these incoming Race foils will look like.
I agree. It's like they need a HA advanced - get rid of the numpty CF range. I'm seeing a lot of good brands - for instance AFS, KT, code etc - around the 11 aspect mark. All round type higher performance HAs with accessibility to intermediate to advanced riders the cross over all the disciplines.
Personally I think they dumbed down the HA a little too much. That being said they make an unreal surf style DW wing - sit in the pocket with incredible low stall speed that work in really turbulent crap as well. So who knows . wheels and roundabouts. Plus you can run smaller and smaller front wings which gives you the speed and the turnability anyhow. Pros and cons. What one giveth one taketh awayeth lol.
I'm still not ready to DW my 930 DWP (but very close) but i have a feeling it could be almost too advanced for an intermediate type rider like me. Hence what i said above. Reminds me of the old Ha which was so ahead of its time - but man wasnt easy to use and really left big guys wanting. Not sure I'm just a pleb without a clue really.
What i would like to see (and i know im right about this aspect) is say a 160 speed tail - something in between the 180/140 - to give you less drag but pitch stability it offers over the 140. A smaller surf style tail as well. We could easily gain more performance out of those Has with a better selection of tails.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..SlowlyButSurely said..TooMuchEpoxy said..
I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.
On this side of the pond, Armstrong doing very well. ML boards are a success, not to mention how many people got the HAv2. The progression, at least here, is to start with Sabfoil/North and once you know what you doing, invest in an Armstrong kit. Used Armstrong stuff sell easy, particularly boards, sails and HA v2.
Armstrong needs a faster high perf foil. I ordered the DWP755 to complement the HA780. Will see if I really can get 2-3kt more and to what extent I have to trade-off turning and ease of use.
Curious how these incoming Race foils will look like.
I agree. It's like they need a HA advanced - get rid of the numpty CF range. I'm seeing a lot of good brands - for instance AFS, KT, code etc - around the 11 aspect mark. All round type higher performance HAs with accessibility to intermediate to advanced riders the cross over all the disciplines.
Personally I think they dumbed down the HA a little too much. That being said they make an unreal surf style DW wing - sit in the pocket with incredible low stall speed that work in really turbulent crap as well. So who knows . wheels and roundabouts. Plus you can run smaller and smaller front wings which gives you the speed and the turnability anyhow. Pros and cons. What one giveth one taketh awayeth lol.
I'm still not ready to DW my 930 DWP (but very close) but i have a feeling it could be almost too advanced for an intermediate type rider like me. Hence what i said above. Reminds me of the old Ha which was so ahead of its time - but man wasnt easy to use and really left big guys wanting. Not sure I'm just a pleb without a clue really.
What i would like to see (and i know im right about this aspect) is say a 160 speed tail - something in between the 180/140 - to give you less drag but pitch stability it offers over the 140. A smaller surf style tail as well. We could easily gain more performance out of those Has with a better selection of tails.
Had a Code 11 AR foil 860r. Amazing at some things but comes with its own problems. The wide span made it slow compared to the 850s. But it had the lift and glide of a much bigger wing. So it is important to size down when Army brings them out as they will. Dedicated followers of fashion. Will be good for your dw run Eppo.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..SlowlyButSurely said..TooMuchEpoxy said..
I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.
On this side of the pond, Armstrong doing very well. ML boards are a success, not to mention how many people got the HAv2. The progression, at least here, is to start with Sabfoil/North and once you know what you doing, invest in an Armstrong kit. Used Armstrong stuff sell easy, particularly boards, sails and HA v2.
Armstrong needs a faster high perf foil. I ordered the DWP755 to complement the HA780. Will see if I really can get 2-3kt more and to what extent I have to trade-off turning and ease of use.
Curious how these incoming Race foils will look like.
I agree. It's like they need a HA advanced - get rid of the numpty CF range. I'm seeing a lot of good brands - for instance AFS, KT, code etc - around the 11 aspect mark. All round type higher performance HAs with accessibility to intermediate to advanced riders the cross over all the disciplines.
Personally I think they dumbed down the HA a little too much. That being said they make an unreal surf style DW wing - sit in the pocket with incredible low stall speed that work in really turbulent crap as well. So who knows . wheels and roundabouts. Plus you can run smaller and smaller front wings which gives you the speed and the turnability anyhow. Pros and cons. What one giveth one taketh awayeth lol.
I'm still not ready to DW my 930 DWP (but very close) but i have a feeling it could be almost too advanced for an intermediate type rider like me. Hence what i said above. Reminds me of the old Ha which was so ahead of its time - but man wasnt easy to use and really left big guys wanting. Not sure I'm just a pleb without a clue really.
What i would like to see (and i know im right about this aspect) is say a 160 speed tail - something in between the 180/140 - to give you less drag but pitch stability it offers over the 140. A smaller surf style tail as well. We could easily gain more performance out of those Has with a better selection of tails.
That last sentence I feel is really true. I use the 140 quite a lot, 'because it is faster' but it feels like it is quite a neutral stab that does not do much. I like the looks and reports on the HA stabs of AFS. A more HA 140 stab which adds glide (so you can use a 580 instead of 680, but keep the glide and gain some speed) would be great. Have read somewhere new tails are on the way, but how far along are they? Already spotted being tested somewhere?
Select to expand quotehilly said..eppo said..SlowlyButSurely said..TooMuchEpoxy said..
I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.
On this side of the pond, Armstrong doing very well. ML boards are a success, not to mention how many people got the HAv2. The progression, at least here, is to start with Sabfoil/North and once you know what you doing, invest in an Armstrong kit. Used Armstrong stuff sell easy, particularly boards, sails and HA v2.
Armstrong needs a faster high perf foil. I ordered the DWP755 to complement the HA780. Will see if I really can get 2-3kt more and to what extent I have to trade-off turning and ease of use.
Curious how these incoming Race foils will look like.
I agree. It's like they need a HA advanced - get rid of the numpty CF range. I'm seeing a lot of good brands - for instance AFS, KT, code etc - around the 11 aspect mark. All round type higher performance HAs with accessibility to intermediate to advanced riders the cross over all the disciplines.
Personally I think they dumbed down the HA a little too much. That being said they make an unreal surf style DW wing - sit in the pocket with incredible low stall speed that work in really turbulent crap as well. So who knows . wheels and roundabouts. Plus you can run smaller and smaller front wings which gives you the speed and the turnability anyhow. Pros and cons. What one giveth one taketh awayeth lol.
I'm still not ready to DW my 930 DWP (but very close) but i have a feeling it could be almost too advanced for an intermediate type rider like me. Hence what i said above. Reminds me of the old Ha which was so ahead of its time - but man wasnt easy to use and really left big guys wanting. Not sure I'm just a pleb without a clue really.
What i would like to see (and i know im right about this aspect) is say a 160 speed tail - something in between the 180/140 - to give you less drag but pitch stability it offers over the 140. A smaller surf style tail as well. We could easily gain more performance out of those Has with a better selection of tails.
Had a Code 11 AR foil 860r. Amazing at some things but comes with its own problems. The wide span made it slow compared to the 850s. But it had the lift and glide of a much bigger wing. So it is important to size down when Army brings them out as they will. Dedicated followers of fashion. Will be good for your dw run Eppo.
Yeh of course. For your fast and powered tow boogie stuff for example you don't want an 11 aspect foil. One of the main advantages of the armie Ha is as matt said - too slow - size down - they are easy enough to paddle up. I just can see a higher performing front foil that still has some all round priorities and easy to use - built into it like say the new AfS enduro.
I would add anything above the 1000 sw cm mark needs to made with ultra high modulus material (like say the AfS / KT new foils - as you gotta take out that span wobble as much as possible.
No race wings or new stabs, but a new board though:
www.armstrongfoils.com/products/boards/surf-board/
They were covering up team foils on the beach during the M2O this year, my money is on a race foil surfacing as the next addition.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..hilly said..eppo said..SlowlyButSurely said..TooMuchEpoxy said..
I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.
On this side of the pond, Armstrong doing very well. ML boards are a success, not to mention how many people got the HAv2. The progression, at least here, is to start with Sabfoil/North and once you know what you doing, invest in an Armstrong kit. Used Armstrong stuff sell easy, particularly boards, sails and HA v2.
Armstrong needs a faster high perf foil. I ordered the DWP755 to complement the HA780. Will see if I really can get 2-3kt more and to what extent I have to trade-off turning and ease of use.
Curious how these incoming Race foils will look like.
I agree. It's like they need a HA advanced - get rid of the numpty CF range. I'm seeing a lot of good brands - for instance AFS, KT, code etc - around the 11 aspect mark. All round type higher performance HAs with accessibility to intermediate to advanced riders the cross over all the disciplines.
Personally I think they dumbed down the HA a little too much. That being said they make an unreal surf style DW wing - sit in the pocket with incredible low stall speed that work in really turbulent crap as well. So who knows . wheels and roundabouts. Plus you can run smaller and smaller front wings which gives you the speed and the turnability anyhow. Pros and cons. What one giveth one taketh awayeth lol.
I'm still not ready to DW my 930 DWP (but very close) but i have a feeling it could be almost too advanced for an intermediate type rider like me. Hence what i said above. Reminds me of the old Ha which was so ahead of its time - but man wasnt easy to use and really left big guys wanting. Not sure I'm just a pleb without a clue really.
What i would like to see (and i know im right about this aspect) is say a 160 speed tail - something in between the 180/140 - to give you less drag but pitch stability it offers over the 140. A smaller surf style tail as well. We could easily gain more performance out of those Has with a better selection of tails.
Had a Code 11 AR foil 860r. Amazing at some things but comes with its own problems. The wide span made it slow compared to the 850s. But it had the lift and glide of a much bigger wing. So it is important to size down when Army brings them out as they will. Dedicated followers of fashion. Will be good for your dw run Eppo.
Yeh of course. For your fast and powered tow boogie stuff for example you don't want an 11 aspect foil. One of the main advantages of the armie Ha is as matt said - too slow - size down - they are easy enough to paddle up. I just can see a higher performing front foil that still has some all round priorities and easy to use - built into it like say the new AfS enduro.
I would add anything above the 1000 sw cm mark needs to made with ultra high modulus material (like say the AfS / KT new foils - as you gotta take out that span wobble as much as possible.
Only used it on the ding to downwind. Felt slow and draggy compared to a 720s.
Most wings have longer handle and a boom option now.
Guessing that will be the next upgrade to the XPS.
Select to expand quoteSlowlyButSurely said..TooMuchEpoxy said..
I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.
On this side of the pond, Armstrong doing very well. ML boards are a success, not to mention how many people got the HAv2. The progression, at least here, is to start with Sabfoil/North and once you know what you doing, invest in an Armstrong kit. Used Armstrong stuff sell easy, particularly boards, sails and HA v2.
Armstrong needs a faster high perf foil. I ordered the DWP755 to complement the HA780. Will see if I really can get 2-3kt more and to what extent I have to trade-off turning and ease of use.
Curious how these incoming Race foils will look like.
I'm an owner DWP, and I definitely want a new line in between. The HA is slow in some conditions, and the DWP can be very demanding if conditions are not good.
Select to expand quotePacoo said..SlowlyButSurely said..TooMuchEpoxy said..
I feel like armstrong's market share has been.diluted. Each new wing has pretty insane production and tooling costs and if there aren't as many riders re-upping for the latest and greatest it doesn't make as much sense to do as many wings.
On this side of the pond, Armstrong doing very well. ML boards are a success, not to mention how many people got the HAv2. The progression, at least here, is to start with Sabfoil/North and once you know what you doing, invest in an Armstrong kit. Used Armstrong stuff sell easy, particularly boards, sails and HA v2.
Armstrong needs a faster high perf foil. I ordered the DWP755 to complement the HA780. Will see if I really can get 2-3kt more and to what extent I have to trade-off turning and ease of use.
Curious how these incoming Race foils will look like.
I'm an owner DWP, and I definitely want a new line in between. The HA is slow in some conditions, and the DWP can be very demanding if conditions are not good.
Which DWP size is this? With demanding you mean input heavy (steering), or control (pitch, nervous etc)?
Finally tried the DWP755.......
All I can say is that my HA780v2 will go for sale.
I was afraid of handling the DWP but I found it pretty user friendly. Stall speed is higher than HAv2 but given the fact that I will use it for those 15kt+ days I am not too concerned.
The DWP handles breaches better than HA, it turns well, handles speed infinitely better than HA and it is more silent than the HA.
HA780+speed180 was whistling like crazy. DWP755+speed180 is super silent
I dont think DWP is for everybody. But if you are comfortable with your HA780-680-580 and want more top end the DWP755/685 is a nice alternative.
