With the new modern wing board design that's longer, narrow and mast track moving further forward. Is that swing weight noticeable when comparing conventional vs new modern design? So by gaining a faster water hull release design we are compromising on swing weight with a longer and narrow board length? With no opportunity to demo I am looking for modern board replacement around 75L.
Select to expand quoteIngenuity said..
With the new modern wing board design that's longer, narrow and mast track moving further forward. Is that swing weight noticeable when comparing conventional vs new modern design? So by gaining a faster water hull release design we are compromising on swing weight with a longer and narrow board length? With no opportunity to demo I am looking for modern board replacement around 75L.
I've been using a 7'2 armie DW board lately (which is an extreme version of a longer narrower board) and i've been surprised how much fun it is. The swing weight isn't as noticeable as you'd think because your center of gravity is so far forward on the board. I'm not sure if this is the same with the new mid length boards. So yeh physics is physics swing weight wise but it's not nearly as bad as you'd think. scale that down to 5-6 foot - and if the box placement is pushed forward like on the DW boards i'd say there is more to gain than to lose.
Nowhere near as noticeable.
The narrow boards have tight pulled in noses which shed weight vs the wing boards that have fat snub noses and carry extra weight. I had a hard time feeling the difference in my 4'8"x26" vs 5'3"x22" both at 83 liters with chubby noses. My new 5'10"x20" Carver is lighter than both and much faster/snappier when being swung around.
Plus, you've got to measure mast to nose of board instead of full board length now. I think my 5'10", while being a full 7" longer, actually only had an additional 3" in front of the mast. The other 4 were in the back.
Add to that you can ride a smaller foil, which makes your turning faster.. So yeah the swing weight argument is dead to me.
Select to expand quoteBWalnut said..
Nowhere near as noticeable.
The narrow boards have tight pulled in noses which shed weight vs the wing boards that have fat snub noses and carry extra weight. I had a hard time feeling the difference in my 4'8"x26" vs 5'3"x22" both at 83 liters with chubby noses. My new 5'10"x20" Carver is lighter than both and much faster/snappier when being swung around.
Plus, you've got to measure mast to nose of board instead of full board length now. I think my 5'10", while being a full 7" longer, actually only had an additional 3" in front of the mast. The other 4 were in the back.
Add to that you can ride a smaller foil, which makes your turning faster.. So yeah the swing weight argument is dead to me.
well explained.
I have been riding my Armie 7' 2" DW board for a year light wind winging and just replaced it with the new 7'9" DW because I want to SUPfoil more. I have also spent several hours riding the Amos Sultan Wing 85L and 95L which are around 6 ft.
All these boards are great fun in light to moderate wind the Sultans both turn better and feel more dynamic being a modern short narrow wing specific design certainly if you are doing short runs tacking onto and riding waves on a reef . They all have the boxes well forward so even the 7' 9" feel quite small when riding as you look at what's in front of your foot, yes turning late on a wave can drag the tail but not as bad as you would think. You soon adjust.
When I jump onto my 60L FG board at 23.5" it feels so wide and I keep touching the rails on turns. Once you get used to a 20" wide board you won't go back. I'm certainly looking forward to testing the new Armie 75L ML I think they have nailed the specs as there is a penalty for going too thick because the board starts to feel dead pumping and more disconnected to the foil.
yeh sometimes i get back on my 76L poc wing board and that thing feels like a tractor it's so wide - rather just use the DW board and a 40L wing board now.
I had Naish Hover 150 (8ft long, 32 inches wide) when I first started. I now ride a 7'8 Duotone DW board.
Everyone needs to ride a Naish Hover 150 to really know what swing weight is.
The DW boards with the mid mast mounts are just amazing.
I think in the past, at the beginning company was falsely advertising their new shorter board as the new top board to ride and longer board was so outdated.Those who were objective were all saying, you need a bit of length to get goin, and we don't really have swing weight anymore because we are on much smaller foil and we are turning/carving....not " yawning " anymore.I do have so much better feeling and control over my foil with narrower board...as long as it's not over 1m wide.However, mid-length probably needs to be shorter than we think, around 6' more or less a few inches.
Select to expand quoteDWF said..
The new boards add weight behind the rider. Making for a balanced teeter-totter.
Just make sure you aren't talking "downwind" board and are referring to a 'wingboard" at 75 liters, in which case you're talking a 5'8" x 22 vs. a 4'10 x 25. Swing weight is not really an issue, more early planing vs. comfort waterstarting. I'll assume you're not concerned with rotations, etc.... I tried a 7' x 18" wide downwind board and found it unusable for my 88kg as the small sweet spot, balance wise, made everything too difficult, so don't go too narrow and too short for a design not made for winging. I'm sold on the downwind board as a light wind or perhaps only board replacement. My downwind board is Jimmy Lewis 8'2" x 21. It works better than say a 5'10 x 28" of comparable volume for winging by a mile (but not for a non jiber as even with a good stinkbug start, downwind boards are way more difficult as you get to your feet.) In chop using say a 4.5m, the tail hits frequently while powering over chop. And during jibes, I have to consciously not look down so I don't get perturbed by all that nose sticking forward, but there's no tail drag, and the nose hasn't caught. I mostly wing 4m-5m and prefer something more like a 60 liter Omen Flux and some pull in my wing. Using the downwind board, I'd be on a 3.5 having less, but fun nevertheless. I can go in 8-10 knots easily with a 6m which would be impossible for me on any 60 liter board. Lastly, It's a lot easier to throw a small board in the car, hike it down to the water, and not ding the crap out of it.
What are you looking at? Replacing?
