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Byron Bay to Burleigh Downwinder

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Created by mikeman > 9 months ago, 6 Mar 2009
mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
6 Mar 2009 5:04PM
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On Friday 27th Feb 09 Dale Chapman and I (Mike Manning) did our Byron Bay to Burleigh Heads paddle, after months of preperation and waiting for the right conditions. This looked like a good enough day so off we went....

Here we are at the start just before our 5.30am departure at Byron



This one is about 3.5hrs in, somewhere around Pottsville. The sea was still very unsettled at this stage with the wind offshore and the swell behind us.



Here we go opposite Kingcliffe (Mt warning in the background) after about 5hrs



We went around the outside of Cook Island this time, (6hr mark) which was as lumpy as it was on the inside when we did the Kingcliffe to Seaway paddle (40km)



This is coming into Burleigh after 8hrs.



The had a Garmin on us and recorded our progress:
67.5km 8hrs Ave speed 8.3km/hr max speed 16.2km/hr

Will post more details on equipment used etc later - MM





mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
6 Mar 2009 5:22PM
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Here's a nice pic of how you can plot your Garmin trip onto Google Earth



Here's some nice tools that you can use to see how you have gone using the Garmin office software



Dale had an hour long video recording from his camera that was mounted near the tail of his DC16. Once I figure out how to edit it I will post a piece of it. It looks pretty good and shows how good some of the runs were...

Scotty Mac
SA, 2055 posts
6 Mar 2009 7:12PM
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good effort. thats a long way in any ones book.

greenleader
QLD, 5283 posts
6 Mar 2009 11:58PM
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did you take any beers?

BWDave
VIC, 239 posts
7 Mar 2009 10:38AM
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Looks like a great paddle and LONG.. I am picking up my DC16 (formerly belonging to Piros) in 10 days and wondering in a paddle like that one how much you would use the steering?
You were both well kitted out and visible. After our last paddle I can see the need for taking safety seriously.
great job , look forward to the footage
Dave

mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
7 Mar 2009 11:40AM
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The steering is an excellent thing to have in a long paddle, especially when you have either wind/swell coming from the side. With our paddle, as with the paddle the guys did in Victoria, there was a lot of side wind (both blowing us away from the coast). Our wind was dead offshore for at least 2 hrs so we used the steering to assist us to keep our coarse. If you look at the GPS course you will see that we kept a pretty true coarse. This would have been extremely difficult without the steering.

In a previous paddle that DC and I did we relayed on a DC17 with a broken steering. This resulted in 4.5hrs of Left side paddling only. Not fun at all.

The steering is very simple and is adjusted by left/right movement of the steering lever under our left foot. I have a "natural" surfing stance so for me the left foot is my front foot. When you go into surfing stance on the big runs you can actually also use the rudder to help chase the runs better.

BWDave
VIC, 239 posts
7 Mar 2009 2:45PM
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Mikeman
thanks for the reply, looking forward to using the steering system
Dave

mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
7 Mar 2009 1:57PM
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No worries, Dave.

Good to hear how you also see the need to take safety seriously. There is a lot that can go wrong out there and safety should be given a lot of attention. We thought long and hard about this and put a lot of extra safety measure in place for this paddle. There are still a few things that we can improve on, though, so it is a "work in progress"

If you are interested I will note a few of the safety measures that we used and lessons learnt on this paddle...

DavidJohn
VIC, 17478 posts
7 Mar 2009 11:53PM
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Thanks for the pictures and info Mikeman.. Is that you with the larger blade paddle? (and orange board)

DJ

mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
8 Mar 2009 11:46AM
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I'm the good looking one with the red boardies.

The blade of my paddle is probably a little too big for me, but that will change soon. I like what Nathan Myers (the iron man) paddles with - which is a concept brought back from PNG. He uses a long and thin blade. This concept allows you to regulate the amount of paddle area by using more/less paddle in the water (depth adjustment). At the moment I have no way to regulate this.

BWDave
VIC, 239 posts
8 Mar 2009 1:34PM
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Mikeman
I am certainly interested in any lessons learned on your downwinders. We have a good crew here on Port Philip Bay and there are many paddles that I/we are keen on so the more info the better.
Dave

mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
8 Mar 2009 2:39PM
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Hey Dave - here is a list of the Safety Gear used and a few lessons that we learnt:

1. Leg Ropes - We use standard surfboard leg ropes (4-6mm is fine so there’s not too much drag) and attach them to the leach plug at the tail. If you fall off in a big downwind and get separated from your board it can end up cart wheeling away from you and you will be in a bit of trouble.
2. Visibility - We also made both of our boards as brightly coloured as possible. I would advise at least making some part of your board (eg Nose and tail) as bright as you can, just in case you need rescuing. I used safety orange but Day-Glo orange is the way to go for sure. As my board is Orange all over I will be spraying a large black “V” on the bottom deck which will double up as a V sheet. We also spray painted the back of our paddle blades orange which can then be used to attract attention (again use Day-Glo orange). When any paddle got too far ahead of the other (we kept this to a minimum 100m) the front paddler would kneel down with the paddle upright. The orange paddle blade faced the lagging paddler and doubled up as a mini sail. Our clothing was also pretty bright and we will use high reflective attachments next time. It's no good if the rescue people cannot see you. So whatever you come up with make it as easy for these guys to find you.
3. Rescue Services - We contacted all of the relevant VMR (Volunteer Marine Rescue) agencies ahead of our paddle and discussed our route plan with them. On the day we phoned in every few hours (on our mobiles) so that they could monitor our progress. They were very helpful and appreciative of the fact that we tried to make their job of rescuing us as easy as possible.
4. Communication – We had mobile phones on both of the Jet Skis, our land support crew and also 1 for the paddlers. We would probably carry 1 mobile each next time as well as get waterproof VHS radios. We also carried whistles for attracting attention. I was going to bring some kind of high reflective surface (mirror) for attracting attention but did not get around to it – next time for sure.
5. EPIRB - We did not take these (why are they so expensive?) as we did not expect to be far enough offshore to need them. We will probably need to start using them in future. The local law is that you have to use these if more than 2 nautical miles from shore. Our max distance offshore was about 5km which is just on the limit.
6. Support Crews – We had 2 jet skis and 1 land based vehicle. The Jet Skis were very handy as we did not want to have to carry our extra fluids that we figured we would need. They also helped us keep an eye on unwanted friends from the deep. We had experimented with a shark shield on Dales board before but we have not quite worked this out properly. Once we get these worked out we will probably start using these on long paddles through sharky waters.
7. Medical Kit – This is a must have item. Ours included a tourniquet, trauma packs, bandages, a safety blanket, gloves, pain killers and anti histamine.
8. Flares - I would also advise each paddler to carry at least 1 flare (rocket or smoke) but 2 is better. If anyone gets separated from the group and they run into trouble they need to be able to get spotted by the rest of the group or rescue people.
9. Spare Paddle - I fell near Cook Island and actually broke my paddle handle (with about 20km to go). As we had support Jet Skis with us they carried the spare paddle, which was nice for us.
10. Tool kit – This contained a few important tools that could come in handy out to sea, including duck tape. We actually duck taped my broken paddle handle back together and I could use it rather than the spare.
11. Fluids - You should have at least a 3ltr backpack which should last you 6hrs of paddling (1/2 litres per hour). We carried 3 x 3 litre packs each. If you don’t like the back pack type get yourself the bum bag type. Dale and I used different liquids as it is important to find out what works for you. I have been using Endura Electrolyte mix which definitely works for me. I also use Endura Optimizer for recovery (pre and post paddles) assistance.
12. Skins – We both used long leg and long arm “skins”. These are really good for paddling and double up as sun protection clothing. The long legs keep the legs warm and work like a charm. I used the white “Ice” top which is great for keeping you cool (which helps in the hot climate up here) and keeps the sun out.
13. Sun Protection – We used total block out zinc on all of our exposed parts, especially the tops of our feet and face. We tried surfing booties for our feet but did not like them. If we do not find a better system we will stick to the zinc.

I have been following the thread on your paddle down there and it looks like you had a great time. I hope that you might find some of the things that we did useful for any future paddles that you guys do.

Think safe and you will have greater piece of mind. Come paddle up here with us any time....

DavidJohn
VIC, 17478 posts
8 Mar 2009 5:28PM
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Thanks mikeman.. for your effort posting all this and in sharing your down-wind thoughts and tips along with your experience..

DJ

BWDave
VIC, 239 posts
8 Mar 2009 5:55PM
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Mikeman
Wow a very comprehensive insight. Thanks.
I must say that it it all seems a bit over the top, however if something went wrong then you would be very grateful to have some of the gear.
I think that the potentialy most dangerous part of our paddle was if one person is a few hundred metres behind or to the side, which is not uncommon, and hit their head or had cramp and was in the water there is no way of seeing them and certainly no way of paddleing back against the wind to look for them.
Epirbs and gps would be great but are expensive.
I really like my pfd which I bought as a requirement for the paddle leg of the Anaconda races. I hardly notice it is there but it has a hydration pack in built and various pockets for food and other gear. It also keeps the chest/thorax warm.
I know that Jonathan is getting a waterproof hatch put in his new pene14 and I am sure that these purpose built boards will in the future have more fastners for spare paddles and other safety gear.
Like I say it may seem a bit over the top but this big water paddling is such a blast and you may as well be as safe as possible.
Dave

NewcastleSUP
NSW, 250 posts
8 Mar 2009 9:37PM
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Good stuff Mike! You & Dale sure do push the limits. However one thing you forgot on your safety list was that little kite you were supin with at the last honolua comp.
I did a similar program whilst solo training
http://www.newcastle-standup-paddlesurfing.com.au/RM1.htm

You guys should do this years molokai. rumour has it rainbow sandals are putting up US$50K for the first solo sup to finish.

mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
9 Mar 2009 10:11AM
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Hey NewcastleSUP,

I read your risk management article and it was spot on. Everyone should take this on board. Nice work.

I personally don't like your open hat idea as I always go for the closed hat option. You really need sun protection on your scalp when spending a long time exposed to the sun. Your scalp, face, hands and feet are the parts that need extra attention.

Our safety planning certainly looks over the top at a glance, but it isn't. We are trying to look at everything that can possibly go wrong and have a plan for it. Prevention is better than cure. We expected our paddle to take around 8hrs so we needed to plan for around 10-12hrs.

Looks like a nice paddle from Redhead to Newcastle

Lobes
885 posts
9 Mar 2009 4:55PM
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Great post Mikeman and awesome paddle by both of you. Well done. Interesting thoughts on safety too. I agree with pretty much all of your safety precautions. However I think running two jet skis adds an extra layer of expense and planning. Hard to argue against it when you're doing these sort of distances though. Nifty idea painting your paddle back orange. I like that and am gonna have at my own soon.

I have long leg skins but hold off wearing them on long downwinders because of the heat factor in their black colour. Did you find they were hot in this way?

I've been sceptical about the value of a steering system but I must say I am on the verge of a Damascene conversion after our last downwinder. Your GPS track makes a convincing piece of evidence to their value. What do you think is a minimum length for including steering. Would they be viable on something 14' or under?.

mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
9 Mar 2009 6:08PM
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Hey Lobes,

You can get the skins in white and they call them by the name "ice". There is some special coating on them that cools them down, which is why we went for them on our upper body. Here is a link http://www.skins.net/au/en/HowSkinsWork/ICE to their site. For you up there you would probably go the white all round and the guys down south might go black all round.

I don't think anyone is using steering for under 16', which does not mean to say that you shouldn't. It all depends what distances you intend to paddle and what your prevailing conditions will be. They are great for side wind/current and also for the runs. On a smaller board you can get away with more body weight distribution on the runs than you can on a longer board.

Hopefully I will finish editing the video soon and post it. We have 1 hr footage and I need to cut it down...

mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
10 Mar 2009 5:02PM
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Here is a test run of a video...

mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
10 Mar 2009 5:25PM
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Here is another test run (no music this time)



It's an hour long video so I found it easier to cut it up into smaller pieces. I had a nice 10 minute segment sorted but it took ages to upload to YouTube

mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
10 Mar 2009 6:03PM
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This 3rd one should just about do it....

Ben dover
QLD, 504 posts
10 Mar 2009 8:10PM
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I like the last video because it shows people that don't do downwinders how important runners are.

U can see mike go off in the distance after catching a few runners.

DavidJohn
VIC, 17478 posts
10 Mar 2009 9:23PM
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Re.. that second vid..

Been on the beans?.. Did you break wind at the 5 second mark..

Also glad you're not wearing a G string..

DJ

Ben dover
QLD, 504 posts
10 Mar 2009 8:31PM
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DavidJohn said...

Re.. that second vid..

Been on the beans?.. Did you break wind at the 5 second mark..

Also glad you're not wearing a G string..

DJ


Haha....

Thats actually Dale Chapman the man who makes the boards with the camera on the tail.

It was the wind, I hope....

Lobes
885 posts
10 Mar 2009 7:35PM
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Thats the secret weapon! Dale Chapman boards are jet powered

62mac
WA, 24860 posts
10 Mar 2009 7:53PM
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Got to love Dales R&D office!

mac

BWDave
VIC, 239 posts
11 Mar 2009 2:52PM
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You are both getting great glide in the vids. Amazing the difference in speed between paddling and on a runner
Interesting that Dale has the steering on the left side of the board and in the first vid it appears that he is goofy meanining that the steering is on the back foot side.
Is this OK also?, I hope so because the DC16 I am picking up in a week has the steering on the right side and I am natural!

mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
11 Mar 2009 2:07PM
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Here is another short video clip that shows a few extra things

Firstly, here is one of the only 2 falls that Dale had on the whole trip. Yes just under 70km with only 2 falls! He paddles with a very low centre of gravity with a lot of pivot forward from the hip. I paddle with a much straighter back to try and use a more efficient and smoother stroke. I fall a lot more than Dale but expend less energy than he does.

Secondly, this clip hopefully shows that we never allowed ourselves to get seperated by more than around 100m during the whole trip. As soon as Dale fell I went onto my knees and put the paddle blade straight up into the air. This would let Dale see where I was even though I might have been down a trough. It also enabled me to keep on moving forward using the wind on the blade face as a small sail.


mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
11 Mar 2009 2:12PM
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Hey BWDave,

Dale is Goofy whereas I am Natural. I prefer the steering on the left side so that I can use my left front foot. When you get in full surfing stance you don't tend to use the steering much as your weight distrubution on the back foot can take care on most direction control.



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