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Forums > General Discussion   Shooting the breeze...

3D printing

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Created by choco > 9 months ago, 7 Aug 2013
choco
SA, 4089 posts
7 Aug 2013 7:39AM
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Can't wait till the time comes when we can print whatever we want....not to far now!
www.stuff.co.nz/ipad-editors-picks/8995908/Kiwi-3D-printing-an-Aston-Martin

GreenPat
QLD, 4087 posts
7 Aug 2013 8:20AM
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kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
7 Aug 2013 8:30AM
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I just saw this new company, pretty cool.
captureddimensions.com/
This is the camera setup
captureddimensions.com/weddings/

Anyone wanna invest in aussie version? I think this'll be huge. Currently too expensive ($500) but will get cheaper soon.

oceanfire
WA, 718 posts
7 Aug 2013 6:58AM
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3D printing has been around for a long while now, but the desktop versions are a relatively recent development.
They still aren't a plug and play device, but if you enjoy a bit of tinkering, they are very rewarding tools.
I bought one recently and it's already paid itself off.
You're only limited by your imagination and being a drafter/3D modeller, I love the immediacy of creating from screen to reality.

d1
WA, 304 posts
7 Aug 2013 7:19AM
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oceanfire said..
I bought one recently and it's already paid itself off.
You're only limited by your imagination and being a drafter/3D modeller, I love the immediacy of creating from screen to reality.


Which one did you get? Any tips? Been thinking of ordering a RigidBot 3D...

oceanfire
WA, 718 posts
7 Aug 2013 10:24AM
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I got a RepRapPro Tricolour Mendel, cause I wanted the flexibility of multiple extruders.

Bought it as a kit, which means I had to fully assemble it, frame, wiring, everything, including calibrating the machine.

It's a great machine.

I went with a RepRap cause of the open source aspect, basically most 'commercially sold' extruder 3D printers (including Makerbot, Ultimaker etc) are based on the reprap printers.

A lot of the components of the repraps are 3D printed, so you can use your printer to make another one, the rest are off the shelf items.
You have to flexibility to make your own upgrades/modifications if needed.

My machine;



Some things I've made:

A 1:20 scale drive unit with electric motor driven wheel commissioned for a project (30 units total)





A glow in the dark cat for my daughter (test piece)


I can print in three colours or three different materials
Calibration test piece-



Happy to take on any jobs if anyone needs a 3D printing service

WA71
WA, 1382 posts
7 Aug 2013 10:54AM
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Could you mill/print fiberglass laminate?

evlPanda
NSW, 9205 posts
7 Aug 2013 1:09PM
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MacroScience said...
Perhaps in future with nanotechnology advances everybody can print biological or near biological constructions. If you want hamburger for dinner simply order one up and 3D printer will make dinner for you.

Trouble is this will require vast amounts of information to be transferred and current copper cables are not up to it.



...OK, I said that.

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
7 Aug 2013 1:18PM
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If only there was some kind of National Broadband Network policy... that would connect us all by fibre optics right to our homes........

oceanfire
WA, 718 posts
7 Aug 2013 11:20AM
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No fibreglass laminate printing yet, but the capabilities and materials for 3D printing are expanding almost daily, so who knows...
You can get a polycarbonate filament.

As for the food thing, NASA have been researching printing food for long space missions.
I haven't looked into it yet, but I believe they have had some success with pizzas.

Rex
WA, 949 posts
7 Aug 2013 11:24AM
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Some things I've made:




Is that off printer finish or does there need to be some hand finishing?

Run us through the process, if I needed the back cover off my TV remote as an example, how would you go about making one?

d1
WA, 304 posts
7 Aug 2013 11:31AM
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That's awesome, Oceanfire, thanks for sharing!

Is the material PLA? Are the spools easy to source? Also, where did you buy the RepRap kit?

GreenPat
QLD, 4087 posts
7 Aug 2013 1:41PM
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oceanfire said..

A lot of the components of the repraps are 3D printed, so you can use your printer to make another one, the rest are off the shelf items.
You have to flexibility to make your own upgrades/modifications if needed.





oceanfire
WA, 718 posts
7 Aug 2013 12:11PM
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Process:

- Model up your part (obviously relies on accurate measurement and 3D modelling)

- From your computer 3D model, you output a specific file for the printing software to read - eg STL file

- Load the STL file into the printer 'Slicer' software, this is where you control all the settings for your printer and print finish such as layer heights (it extrudes in layers, so your file is 'sliced' into the layers that the printer will work to, I set mine to 0.25mm, but can go lower)

- the slicer software then gets sent to your printer by usb or microSD card

- hit print and wait. Time depends on your print layer heights, the size of the piece you are makeing and how many you are printing at one time.

As for finishing;

You can model a part so that it prints and comes off the printer finished, no clean up.
I modeled my silver parts above to be like that.

If you have complex parts or parts that have horizontal sections with nothing under them (ie- bridged sections), then you will need to print with supports.
You can print the supports using the same material as your piece, in this case there will be some clean up required, as you snap the supports off but will need to clean up the left over 'tags' with a blade (think back to your car and plane model kits)

Or if you have a multiple extruder machine, you can use a different material for the supports and dissolve it away with water once the print is done.

oceanfire
WA, 718 posts
7 Aug 2013 12:20PM
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That's awesome, Oceanfire, thanks for sharing!

Is the material PLA? Are the spools easy to source? Also, where did you buy the RepRap kit?



Yep, I use PLA, prefer that to ABS, but only cause the PLA is biodegradable.

There's quite a few places in Aus to get filament from, I use BilbyCNC. Shop around to get the best prices.

Had my kit sent from the UK, you can have them sent assembled, but I enjoy building things, was a great learning experience and I got to dust off my soldering skills :)

Rex
WA, 949 posts
7 Aug 2013 1:24PM
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Process:





Thanks oceanfire, that's a very interesting technology, keep us updated.

choco
SA, 4089 posts
7 Aug 2013 4:04PM
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you got the perfect avatar Oceanfire, just read on FB NASA has printed pizzas

d1
WA, 304 posts
7 Aug 2013 3:24PM
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Oceanfire, if you don't mind, could you please tell how the body (or legs, if printed on the side) of the cat figurine was supported during the printing process? Is there a rule-of-thumb - e.g. no more than 45 degree overhang?

I can now see the advantage of the multi-nozzle printer - thanks for explaining. It would appear though that the water-soluble filament is still very expensive and with very poor shelf life... But perhaps there are other options that can be dissolved using more aggressive solvents...

oceanfire
WA, 718 posts
7 Aug 2013 3:50PM
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Oceanfire, if you don't mind, could you please tell how the body (or legs, if printed on the side) of the cat figurine was supported during the printing process? Is there a rule-of-thumb - e.g. no more than 45 degree overhang?

I can now see the advantage of the multi-nozzle printer - thanks for explaining. It would appear though that the water-soluble filament is still very expensive and with very poor shelf life... But perhaps there are other options that can be dissolved using more aggressive solvents...



I printed the cat in the standing position, the supports for this were done in the same material (and hence same extruder).
The overhang settings can be set in the slicer software to what ever angle you want.
I had the supports set to generate to anything at 45deg or more.

Supports printed as four thin (you can set the thickness, spacing etc separately) vertical planes which ran the length of the body of the cat.
When it was finished I had to snap them off and clean up with a scalpel.

I've since bought some PVA to use but haven't had a chance yet due to other printing jobs; it didn't seem all that expensive but I'll know better when I find out how much I use per print.

I'm not sure about using other materials for supports, but I suspect you could use ABS, if your main print was in PLA, then use acetone to dissolve the ABS away.

d1
WA, 304 posts
7 Aug 2013 4:16PM
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Thanks for explaining this Oceanfire. You've convinced me - I'll also order the Tricolour Mendel as soon as the current tax return materialises.

One last question if you don't mind - do you find that you need to re-calibrate often? Is calibration tricky?

oceanfire
WA, 718 posts
7 Aug 2013 4:28PM
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Thanks for explaining this Oceanfire. You've convinced me - I'll also order the Tricolour Mendel as soon as the current tax return materialises.

One last question if you don't mind - do you find that you need to re-calibrate often? Is calibration tricky?


No, calibration is done only to start with.
You need to set the feed rate of your machine in the firmware so the correct amount comes out the extruder.
Other that that there is the bed levelling, getting the three extruders the same height from the bed, and setting the extruder offsets in firmware.
You only need to redo these if you need to tinker with the machine.

There's a lot of settings to play with in the slicer software, just comes down to experimenting.

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
7 Aug 2013 6:51PM
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I'm going to print myself a 3D Printer

oceanfire
WA, 718 posts
7 Aug 2013 4:57PM
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sausage said..

I'm going to print myself a 3D Printer


That's actually possible, well for a lot of the components anyway.
All the white parts on my machine, see above, are printed parts.

choco
SA, 4089 posts
7 Aug 2013 6:45PM
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sausage said..

I'm going to print myself a 3D Printer


thought you only used your hand snags

firiebob
WA, 3159 posts
7 Aug 2013 5:58PM
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oceanfire said..

I got a RepRapPro Tricolour Mendel, cause I wanted the flexibility of multiple extruders.


I'm dead set fully impressed mate

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
7 Aug 2013 8:31PM
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I did watch a doco recently where a 3D printer company was teaching a 3D printing course. you learnt how to do everything and each practical test was a component of a 3D printer which you then assembled to print the final exam peice. hence you knew if you passed or failed
and if i recall correctly it was in Melbourne

Chris_M
2129 posts
8 Aug 2013 4:21AM
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you can print living things if you want to get all Frankenstein:

venturebeat.com/2013/02/06/first-ever-uk-scientists-use-3d-printer-to-print-human-stem-cells/

actiomax
NSW, 1575 posts
8 Aug 2013 12:12PM
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I did read in the paper that using cultered kidney cells they printed a working human kidney apparently they have been able to grow the cells for ages but could not configure them into the organ but they can when they use them & print it into shape

d1
WA, 304 posts
8 Aug 2013 11:07AM
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Pitbull said..
I wonder how many replica guns will be on the streets?


Not just replicas, you can print a functioning, plastic, single-shot "Liberator" ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberator_%28gun%29 ). The only non-printed part is the firing pin, which can be ceramic or metal.

Well, at least the financial manager at home endorsed the purchase with some conditions. The trick now will be to source a peristaltic pump that can push molten chocolate and fondant through the dispenser. A small challenge will be to keep the chocolate molten as it goes through the tubing - guess a heat jacket will be required.

Legion
WA, 2222 posts
8 Aug 2013 11:32AM
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You should make a gauss gun:

hackaday.com/2013/08/07/a-full-auto-gauss-gun-probably-wont-hurt-much/

oceanfire
WA, 718 posts
8 Aug 2013 11:43AM
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It's a shame that so much publicity is on the guns, but they are being improved;
www.3ders.org/articles/20130805-upgraded-worlds-first-3d-printed-rifle-fires-14-shots-before-breaking.html

The medical side is developing, so if you do get shot by a printed gun ;)
www.3ders.org/articles/20130422-organovo-describes-first-fully-cellular-3d-bioprinted-liver-tissue.html

And as for chocolate...
www.3ders.org/articles/20120417-from-chocolate-to-ceramics-3d-printing.html



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