Jaw dropping.http://blogs.discovery.com/animal_news/2009/09/horrific-egg-industry-grinds-millions-of-baby-chicks-alive.html
Sadly enough - the chicks that go through the macerator (grinder) are probably the lucky ones as they don't have to live out their lives producing eggs for human consumption in a miserable disease-ridden hotbox.
Google pig factory images felix, maybe you'll find some strength for your vego trip there. Maybe don't actually, your xmas ham won't look quite the same. You don't have to become a vegetarian anyway, just learn to make informed choices about how you eat meat and animal products, like eggs.
What do people expect actually happens in massive animal factories? Maybe it's time people connected better with their food, as in grew some of it at home. There's not a lot involved with keeping a few chickens for fresh eggs if you have a bit of space.
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I wish I was strong enough to become vegetarian! 
It's nothing about strength - it's about making choices.
As ^^^^thinkaboutit says - you can take small steps to make a small difference. If each step is stopping the suffering of one animal - surely that makes that step worth taking?
All animals have feelings - most humans don't acknowledge that the pig they are eating is probably as intelligent as their pet dog or cat.
Factory farming and live animal exports and animal 'sports' all, IMO, should be banned!
Give it a go! You'll feel better for it!
Ive been 100% plant based diet (vegan) for almost 6 months now. After my vegan wife asked me to educate myself about it all. (She studies nutrition at uni)
After a night of watching docos and you tube clips and another night of reading everything i could find. (StIll reading as much as i can daily to learn) The next day i stopped eating meat, fish, diary, cheese and eggs and havent put an animal product in my mouth since. Its not a fad like most of my mates say i can confidently say i will be 100% plant based for the rest of my life now. The crazy thing is i havent craved anything or miss anything at all. Im actually thriving with out the diary and meat.
Always going to be meat eaters who staunchly believe they need it (father in law is worried we will grt sick and die from iron deficiency etc) and that doesnt worry me i dont give a **** what anyone else eats i care about my health my body long term and if along the way that now means less animals are factory farmed and slaughtered thats a win win for me.
Trying to do my bit by buying eggs coming from a local place where the chooks are running around outside, I could get into stoping eating meat, I go to a Buddhist temple there and then and after celebrations a veg meal is shared............... I need to learn how to cook that sort of food for sure! It is delicious.
But I will never give up cheese and milk, was born and raised on cheese! Cheese is good for you especially if it is made from crude milk.
A vegetable probably has as much recognition it about to get mincerated as a fluffy duck. I know terrible me those ducks are so fluffy.
But vegetable has feelings too it lives and grows too, but because vegetable cant say quack people think its allright to slaughter them by the billions.
Its not all right eat dirt.
The problem I see is there are to many humans on earth.
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After a night of watching docos and you tube clips
I see you did thorough research
Ladies and Gentleman
i introduce the T Rex burger
best $14 burger I've ever had.
yougotta love bacon on a burger
hope this cow didn't die in pain because its killing me trying to finish it.
to the chook that back out the egg,, thanks.
real team effort.
The story is 6 years old..... They most probably just drown them now to juice'n them up, or maybe some laser beam that turns them to pulp.
Meh, my wife pulls me through a grater every day.
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After a night of watching docos and you tube clips
I see you did thorough research
Haha well played.
It was just a generalisation comment. Ive recently read some books like the china study that have good facts from well educated people that I am learning from.
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A vegetable probably has as much recognition it about to get mincerated as a fluffy duck. I know terrible me those ducks are so fluffy.
But vegetable has feelings too it lives and grows too, but because vegetable cant say quack people think its allright to slaughter them by the billions.
Its not all right eat dirt.
The problem I see is there are to many humans on earth.
Do vegitables have feelings? They don't have central nervous systems do they? Don't believe a plant feels pain?
I think there's ways of slaughtering humanely and when it's not carried out humanely that it constitutes cruelty. If someone knowingly inflicts pain on or tortures an animal for some perverse pleasure that's just sick and wrong. Animals have no choices in life, they're not malicious, feral cats, unwanted pups etc don't ask to be born, people bring them into existence and it's almost always the animals that pay because people are too stuid or too lazy, to take responsibility or do the right thing. People don't desex their animals and there's already so many animals in shelters with out homes. People buy pets from pet shops that support cruel puppy farms. People torture and are cruel to homeless and feral animals and hate them but it's people that are to blame for those animals existance in the first place. I wish every living thing could live and die with the right to comfort and dignity and free from pain.
slaughtering humanely? How is that performed?
Since becoming interested in where my food comes from, I'm yet to see evidence of any humane way of slaughtering.
Happy to be told facts of otherwise.
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i see & hear of more poor treatment to humans per day than animals.
Which is a drop in the sea compared to the animals being mistreated daily.
Take a tree for example snap a limb get sap Id call that pain.
" Some plant scientists believe plants can be intelligent - they can sense, learn, remember even react in ways that would be familiar to humans" taken from the first site I came upon.
Vegetable is mass murder. Burn the slaughter houses to the ground, what a waste of our land of our time of our humanity.
Now its time to defend the oppressed vegetable.
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i see & hear of more poor treatment to humans per day than animals.
Which is a drop in the sea compared to the animals being mistreated daily.
have you been to Africa 
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After a night of watching docos and you tube clips
I see you did thorough research
Haha well played.
It was just a generalisation comment. Ive recently read some books like the china study that have good facts from well educated people that I am learning from.
There's always an agenda with these things...
Select to expand quoteCobra said..Rex said..Cobra said..
i see & hear of more poor treatment to humans per day than animals.
Which is a drop in the sea compared to the animals being mistreated daily.
have you been to Africa
No and I don't need to, the ratio is so low compared to animals. What's your point anyway? because people treat other people poorly its somehow ok to mistreat animals? Why try and minimise the poor treatment of animals by bringing humans into it?
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i see & hear of more poor treatment to humans per day than animals.
Which is a drop in the sea compared to the animals being mistreated daily.
have you been to Africa
The United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization estimates that about 795 million people of the 7.3 billion people in the world, or one in nine, were suffering from chronic undernourishment in 2014-2016. Almost all the hungry people, 780 million, live in developing countries, representing 12.9 percent, or one in eight, of the population of developing counties. There are 11 million people undernourished in developed countries.
Thats not deaths thats undernourished.
Over 56 billion farmed animals are killed every year by humans. More than 3,000 animals die every second in slaughterhouses around the world. These figures do not even include fish and other sea creatures whose deaths are so great they are only measured in tonnes.
I see and read about the humans in great need of food in this world. what if we all ate a little bit less beef or stopped eating beef all together all that grain and corn that is mass farmed just to feed them could go to the hungry people of the world and aid in helping the humans.
Select to expand quoteCobra said..
Ladies and Gentleman
i introduce the T Rex burger
best $14 burger I've ever had.
yougotta love bacon on a burger
hope this cow didn't die in pain because its killing me trying to finish it.
to the chook that back out the egg,, thanks.
real team effort.
Where can I get One of those?
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Cobra said..
Rex said..
Cobra said..
i see & hear of more poor treatment to humans per day than animals.
Which is a drop in the sea compared to the animals being mistreated daily.
have you been to Africa
No and I don't need to, the ratio is so low compared to animals. What's your point anyway? because people treat other people poorly its somehow ok to mistreat animals? Why try and minimise the poor treatment of animals by bringing humans into it?
didn't ask if you needed to. And I don't care what you need to do 
NO it's not ok to treat animals poorly and I never said It was.
because someone doesn't agree with the view that animal cruelty is out of control, don't mean they except it.
its like Meg's comment about pets or unwanted pets, for every bad case of pet abuse there's thousands of good And loving owners
... You see my glass is half full.
i minimise it because that's what it is. compaired to humans.
Because one story gets posted on sea breeze lets start beating the out of control drum.
... your point making statements then adding a ? BTW that's not a question.
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Cobra said...
Rex said..
Cobra said..
i see & hear of more poor treatment to humans per day than animals.
Which is a drop in the sea compared to the animals being mistreated daily.
have you been to Africa
The United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization estimates that about 795 million people of the 7.3 billion people in the world, or one in nine, were suffering from chronic undernourishment in 2014-2016. Almost all the hungry people, 780 million, live in developing countries, representing 12.9 percent, or one in eight, of the population of developing counties. There are 11 million people undernourished in developed countries.
Thats not deaths thats undernourished.
Over 56 billion farmed animals are killed every year by humans. More than 3,000 animals die every second in slaughterhouses around the world. These figures do not even include fish and other sea creatures whose deaths are so great they are only measured in tonnes.
I see and read about the humans in great need of food in this world. what if we all ate a little bit less beef or stopped eating beef all together all that grain and corn that is mass farmed just to feed them could go to the hungry people of the world and aid in helping the humans.
so are we comapairing deaths or cruelty.^^
is this a vegitarian thing you have going andy?
if so good on you mate enjoy it sounds cool. But not every slaughter house is being cruel to animals.
or is it you just have a thing with animals being killed for food.
and if that's so,that's great as well.
Us meat eaters love meat and will continue to do so,,I hope and know our animals in Australia
are being killed in the correct way.
Select to expand quoteCobra said..Rex said..Cobra said..Rex said..Cobra said..
i see & hear of more poor treatment to humans per day than animals.
Which is a drop in the sea compared to the animals being mistreated daily.
have you been to Africa
No and I don't need to, the ratio is so low compared to animals. What's your point anyway? because people treat other people poorly its somehow ok to mistreat animals? Why try and minimise the poor treatment of animals by bringing humans into it?
didn't ask if you needed to. And I don't care what you need to do
NO it's not ok to treat animals poorly and I never said It was.
because someone doesn't agree with the view that animal cruelty is out of control, don't mean they except it.
its like Meg's comment about pets or unwanted pets, for every bad case of pet abuse there's thousands of good And loving owners
... You see my glass is half full.
i minimise it because that's what it is. compaired to humans.
Because one story gets posted on sea breeze lets start beating the out of control drum.
BTW what's your point making statements then adding a ? BTW that's not a question.
These discussions usually bring out the mean spirited callous type bent on trivialising the issue rather than acknowledging that there is plenty of unnecessary animal cruelty 
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Cobra said..
Rex said..
Cobra said..
Rex said..
Cobra said..
i see & hear of more poor treatment to humans per day than animals.
Which is a drop in the sea compared to the animals being mistreated daily.
have you been to Africa
No and I don't need to, the ratio is so low compared to animals. What's your point anyway? because people treat other people poorly its somehow ok to mistreat animals? Why try and minimise the poor treatment of animals by bringing humans into it?
didn't ask if you needed to. And I don't care what you need to do
NO it's not ok to treat animals poorly and I never said It was.
because someone doesn't agree with the view that animal cruelty is out of control, don't mean they except it.
its like Meg's comment about pets or unwanted pets, for every bad case of pet abuse there's thousands of good And loving owners
... You see my glass is half full.
i minimise it because that's what it is. compaired to humans.
Because one story gets posted on sea breeze lets start beating the out of control drum.
BTW what's your point making statements then adding a ? BTW that's not a question.
These discussions usually bring out the mean spirited callous type bent on trivialising the issue rather than acknowledging that there is plenty of unnecessary animal cruelty
i laugh that hard water come out.
Hey Rex start naming and shaming mate. You make it sound like it's common knowledge
start naming ALL these places in Australia ,,,your words,, 'there's plenty of unnessasay animal cruelty.
dont keep it a secret form us trivialising callous mean spirited types,share your wealth of knowledge .
theres a place in Australia called RSPCA tell them ,if you won't tell us.
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Cobra said..
Rex said..
Cobra said..
Rex said..
Cobra said..
i see & hear of more poor treatment to humans per day than animals.
Which is a drop in the sea compared to the animals being mistreated daily.
have you been to Africa
No and I don't need to, the ratio is so low compared to animals. What's your point anyway? because people treat other people poorly its somehow ok to mistreat animals? Why try and minimise the poor treatment of animals by bringing humans into it?
didn't ask if you needed to. And I don't care what you need to do
NO it's not ok to treat animals poorly and I never said It was.
because someone doesn't agree with the view that animal cruelty is out of control, don't mean they except it.
its like Meg's comment about pets or unwanted pets, for every bad case of pet abuse there's thousands of good And loving owners
... You see my glass is half full.
i minimise it because that's what it is. compaired to humans.
Because one story gets posted on sea breeze lets start beating the out of control drum.
BTW what's your point making statements then adding a ? BTW that's not a question.
These discussions usually bring out the mean spirited callous type bent on trivialising the issue rather than acknowledging that there is plenty of unnecessary animal cruelty
i laugh that hard water come out.
Hey Rex start naming and shaming mate. You make it sound like it's common knowledge
start naming ALL these places in Australia ,,,your words,, 'there's plenty of unnessasay animal cruelty.
dont keep it a secret form us trivialising callous mean spirited types,share your wealth of knowledge .
theres a place in Australia called RSPCA tell them ,if you won't tell us.
Sorry bud, I didn't mention Australia so your huge laugh was in vain, however the grey hound racing industry is getting a little air time, could be worth having a read up on it.
