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Mark _australia
WA, 22364 posts
26 Mar 2011 12:37AM
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Warning
(1) cut n pasted
(2) offensive to far lefties and greenie socialist types
(3) long

but a good read......

Our HistoryCenturies ago, when the English, French, Dutch, Spanish and Portuguese were conquering
and enslaving the native populations of foreign lands, Australia was known as Van
Diemen's Land, named by the Dutch. For some reason the Dutch missed the east coast of Australia entirely, took one look at Western Australia and Tasmania and buggered off again. How you can miss something that big is still a bit of a mystery but that's the clog wogs for you.
As a result, England made the discovery itself and used it initially as a dumping ground for convicts (some of whom had done nothing more than pinching a crust of bread rather than
starve). The native population of this land weren't given any consideration at that time, but then neither were the thousands of sick, miserable, dying and beaten people who arrived
as Prisoners of Mother England (POMEs). As it turns out, the miserable wretches who survived actually got a chance at a better life than they would have had in England and they worked their bums off to give their descendants a real future. In keeping with the colonial mindset of the times, all the native people got was smallpox.
Eventually, it became clear that Australia was valuable and could produce sheep and wheat, as well as being rich in gold and iron ore. This made the ordinary Australian proud and the Government rub its hands in glee at the though of the taxes it could impose.
Australia became so big that it INVITED others to come and help build it even bigger.
These people came from all nations and all walks of life and they WORKED BLOODY
HARD to carve out a new life for themselves. The one thing they learned very quickly was
that if they looked, said, ate or thought something that seemed a bit different they would be
punched on the nose by Australians. I'm one of those people and we were given names
like, Wog, Pommy Bastard, Eyetie, Gook etc. To avoid being punched on the nose, we
soon learned to INTEGRATE and punch New Australians on the noses ourselves.
We didn't have social workers, translators or psychologists holding our hands; actually
upon arriving we received a lecture from the local Mayor telling us we had to work hard and
not be slackers. Many people were offended by this and worked even harder to prove they
weren't slackers. After our lecture we were introduced to something called Migrant Hostels
and believe me, they were the most rudimentary form of accommodation you could
imagine. If my parents had been housed at the Villawood Detention Centre, they would
have thought it four star accommodation and they certainly wouldn't have sat out on the
roof in protest when they had the option of a PRIVATE BEDROOM.
Australia's history is one of receiving and integrating people through a process of rough
accommodation, nose punching and name calling, regardless of what our Government and
its social workers tell you.
So the next time someone insults you or punches you on the nose, smile. It means you're
INTEGRATING. If you run to the nearest social worker, it means you're not integrating at
all and, like our current Government, you're pissweak.
Our Laws
In 1901, Australia adopted its own Constitution. We still recognise the British Sovereign,
but pretty much run things ourselves here. The only time we use the Queen for anything
(apart from the odd Public Holiday) is if our Prime Minister puts the mineral rights of this
country up as collateral to borrow money for Public Service wages and gets a smack over
the head via the Governor General when he's found out (The Dismissal 1975).
From our Constitution come our laws, our rights, freedoms and our identity. We're pretty
proud of these things because they're what make us Australian. Occasionally, politicians
and lawyers try to change or distort these things to suit their own agenda. When this
happens we get pretty upset and remind them of the Eureka Stockade.
As part of standing up for our rights, freedoms, identity etc, we have participated in wars in
the past. Some of these wars have been the Boer War, the Boxer Rebellion, WW1, WW2,
Korea, The Malay Borneo Conflict, Vietnam, Bosnia, Iraq (1 & 2), Afghanistan and dozens
of other global skirmishes. When the Aussies turn up at a fight, their allies are delighted.
Their enemies are not so delighted.
What this means to us is that men and women have died for our Constitution and our laws,
freedoms, rights etc and we honour them constantly as a result. This makes those things
they have died for very precious to us and we don't appreciate it when New Australians
start wanting change to those laws to suit their own religious or cultural beliefs.
In particular, we do not want SHARIA LAW in our country. Muslims are demanding that
certain aspects of Sharia Law are observed in Australia, but the answer is no. Even if you
discount the barbarous female stoning and genital mutilation, the following are not
Australian:
· Being able to marry at 16 (that'll push the divorce rate through the roof)
· Waiting a shorter time to apply for divorce (If you're that keen, go to Reno USA)
· Changing the banking system to accommodate a new style of mortgage (boo
hoo, we've been trying to make those bastards listen to us for decades)
Above all else, it is absolutely ridiculous to expect that these laws should only apply to Muslims in this country and not the rest of us. THAT'S RACIST.
So, if you think you're coming to Australia to change its laws to suit your religious beliefs,
think again. While the blood of convicts, wogs, pommy bastards, eyeties and gooks lies in our soil, it will remain Australian and subject to Australian law.
If you don't like the sound of this and you run to the nearest social worker, it means you're
not integrating at all and, like our current Government, you're pissweak.
Our Culture
As part of our culture, we play hard, we fight hard and we feel pretty strongly about our
recreational pursuits.
Religion
We're a pretty mixed bag in this area. The earliest settlers were Protestants,
Catholics, Presbyterians, Dissenters, Methodists, Congregationalists, and Jews.
(Isaac Isaacs and Zelman Cowan are two past Jewish Governor Generals). In
Australia, we have a fairly relaxed attitude towards religion PROVIDED you don't try
and shove it down our throats or under our noses.
Once you start parading around with your beliefs on your sleeve, that's when we get
annoyed with you. Burkhas are a prime example of this, as are Jehovah Witnesses
with briefcases on a Saturday morning. Much like the Gay Mardi Gras, we believe
that anybody so hell bent on trying to prove they're comfortable with their life choices
by going out of their way to look ridiculous is hiding something and as a result we
don't trust them.
As for expecting anybody to employ a person who needs to stop twice a day to pray,
well that's ridiculous. Confine your prayers to your own time and you'll find
integration far easier. If your life choices don't fit with your employment choices,
MOVE ON and give an Aussie a job.
Sport
Learn this rule first: One hand, once bounce, you're out
Anything goes in Aussie sport and backyard cricket is the king of sports here. If you
happen to be wearing cultural apparel such as a burkha, a saffron robe, a turban or
a dog collar, prepare to have it used against you when going for a catch.
In terms of professional sport, we don't care what you are or where you come from
as long as you're on our team and you win. You could even escape communist
dictatorship through a ship porthole clad only in a red bikini and we'll welcome you
with open arms if you're an Olympic medallist. If you lose (or suddenly decide to go
home) we don't care; the media will crucify you for us and we don't have to do a
thing to get rid of you.
Cuisine
Get used to it; we're a nation built on alcohol - from the Rum Rebellion to Alco pops
Tax; it is part of our life and there's nothing you can do to avoid it. We won't be
blacking out bottle shops like the cigarette display at Coles and we won't stop
cracking a coldie whenever we please. Most of all, we make WINE upon which a
large part of our export economy is built.
As for our food, pigs were in the First Fleet and fed the earliest settlers of this
country and if it was good enough for them, it's certainly good enough for us. We're
not asking you to eat what we do; just don't come into someone's house and
demand the host serve something different. Be grateful you were allowed in at the
outset.
Finally, we have animal cruelty laws in Australia and certain people need to address
the way in which they slaughter sheep because it's bloody barbaric.
If you don't like the sound of this and you run to the nearest social worker, it means you're
not integrating at all and, like our current Government, you're pissweak.
Your Manner of Arrival
If you pay somebody to take you to Australia without going through the normal refugee
channels, you are an ILLEGAL ALIEN and will therefore be viewed with a high degree of
suspicion by Australians. You will also be viewed as a QUEUE JUMPER as you have
muscled your way to the front of the line using money as a tool to do so.
Given your decision to arrive on our shores in this manner, surely you must understand that
we need to know who you are, what you're doing here and whether or not you can be
trusted.
Our current Government seems committed to welcoming you with open arms and ensuring
you're more comfortable than its own native inhabitants upon your arrival. The moment
you complain about your accommodations, a gaggle of social workers run to the media and
demand the most ridiculous set of rights for you and your families. Additionally, the
homosexual green who would like to run this country wants you to be walking down George Street within 48 hours, free as a bloody bird. Given the following, this is absolutely ridiculous and gets us all more than a little upset.
· You may be carrying diseases which take time to diagnose
· You may be lying about who you are
· You may be lying about your circumstances
· You might be wanted for a criminal act in your own country
As your own countries are generally in disarray it takes time to work everything out.
Of course, if things really are as bad as you say, surely coming to detention situation in a
place with no war, no disease all the food you can eat and your own room has to be far
better from that which you are escaping.
So, when we hear you are protesting or demanding things, we get pretty upset and ask the
following questions:
· Why are you escaping from Iraq or Afghanistan when our bloody troops are
busting their arses over there to make it safe for you?
· If things were that hard in your country why is it you can afford the huge sums
being demanded by people smugglers?
· Why is it that far more men arrive on boats than women and children?
· Why are these men leaving wives and children behind in a country that's
supposedly so unsafe they'd be killed if they stayed? (Our culture demands
women and children to safety first – Titanic 1912). The Viet refugees sent all the women and kids to safety first in the 70's and 80's ......
· Why don't you return to your country once the threat has gone?
· What would happen to us if we turned up on your country's shores and
demanded religious freedom?
· What the hell is an Economic Refugee and why is that a criterion for granting
asylum? (There's thousands of Aussie families doing it tough who could claim
refugee status on those grounds if they showed up in Sweden tomorrow)
If you don't like these questions and you run to the nearest social worker, it means you're
not integrating at all and, like our current Government, you're pissweak. If however you
have a good argument for your arrival and presence on our shores, we'd sure like to hear it
because what we've heard to date is pissweak.
So, Welcome to Australia
The above is fairly indicative of this country's people and their attitude towards the current
plague of boat refugees arriving on our shores. It's not what you'll read in travel brochures,
it's not what you'll hear from politicians, social workers, lawyers or the mainstream media, but it's what we think and feel. And you can't blame us.
The only possible way you can convince us that your arrival is good for a country that's
already OVERPOPULATED (people per square kilometre of liveable, arable land) is to do
the following:
· Accept the odd punch in the nose from an Aussie when you look, say or do
something that's not part of our culture
· Accept that we're gonna give you a name (cheese eating surrender monkey,
greasy lebbo, pommy bastard, slimy wog) whether you like it or not
· Understand that you weren't invited here just like most of us weren't and are going to have to
work damned hard to gain even the tiniest acceptance
· Don't ram your religion down our throats or under our noses
· Don't expect us to change the rules to suit you
And above all:
This country might seem pissweak and
its inhabitants easygoing but beware:
that's only its current Government
Our nation's history is as one of the
most tenacious, tough and stubborn
in times of conflict.
Like those at Gallipoli, Tobruk and
Kokoda before us, we might get pushed
to the edge but when we fight we roar like lions.
Don't mistake our Government's words
and actions for those of its inhabitants.
Welcome to Australia and Learn to Bloody Integrate
If you don't like it, Piss Off

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
26 Mar 2011 5:07AM
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while watching the world cup cricket, it was nice to see the crowd was made up of Indians.

if i go to India......i want to see Indians,not Japanese,Africans or White people.

if mass immigration was allowed say in Japan,in a few generations the Japanese people could become a minority in their own country.

this is what is happening in the uk.

in Leicester + Birmingham it has nearly already happened.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350087/White-children-Birmingham-minority-year-immigration.html

the history of the country is being lost.

the vast majority of the British people don't want it,however it is being forced on them by whichever party is elected government.

democracy in action.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
26 Mar 2011 8:41AM
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Way too many racist rednecks in australia,
they say their not,but,usually start their comments by "Im not racist,but"

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
26 Mar 2011 6:06AM
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i'm not racist but, my best friend for over 20 years is Indian.

and guess what?

he thinks the mass immigration into the UK is wrong.

ginger pom
VIC, 1746 posts
26 Mar 2011 9:50AM
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Mark _australia said...

Warning
(1) cut n pasted
(2) offensive to far lefties and greenie socialist types
(3) long

but a good read......

Our HistoryCenturies ago, when the English, French, Dutch, Spanish and Portuguese were conquering
and enslaving the native populations of foreign lands, Australia was known as Van
Diemen's Land, named by the Dutch.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Diemen's_Land

ginger pom
VIC, 1746 posts
26 Mar 2011 10:01AM
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petermac33 said...


the history of the country is being lost.




Love from Pommy bastard

log man
VIC, 8289 posts
26 Mar 2011 10:16AM
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The constant striving to make the world a simple place, with simple solutions, to make the world easy to understand. The only problem is it wont behave and neither will the people on it. Mark, I feel your frustration and outrage, but, your powerless. but keep shouting , it'l make you feel better................I found this:After recent attacks on Indian students in Melbourne and Sydney, one Facebook group - which says Australia is "full" and urges immigrants to "learn the language" or enjoy their "right to leave" - has attracted nearly 64,500 members.

One poster calls on Australians to stand against "curry munching idiots", saying the attacks on the students may have been "frustration driven, due to their foolish traits and culture".

"We request you to please unite and stand against the recent protests by Indians ... drive all the immigrants out and make Australia clean," he said.

"We have our unique Aussie culture, we drink beer, we eat meat, pork and beef. If you can't bear with that, please leave."

Deakin University Associate Professor Dr Rohan Bastin says Australia has a strong sentiment of 'assimilationism', where immigrants are expected to become part of a 'mainstream Australia'.

"If people are saying 'if you don't like it, leave', then they're demonstrating that they're profoundly stupid," he said.

"You're not being racist, but you are being essentialist, homogenising and therefore completely intolerant."

Dr Bastin says the fact a Facebook group, like this one, could attract so many members is depressing, but not surprising.

"The previous federal government under John Howard really promoted those issues," he said.

"I don't think that they managed to marginalise Pauline Hanson and her 'mainstream Australia' views so much as to incorporate them - she disappeared politically as the ideas were taken on board.

"It [this group] reflects the fact that intolerance is really on the rise."

ginger pom
VIC, 1746 posts
26 Mar 2011 10:29AM
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Can you apply the "if you don't like it, leave" logic to anything?

1 Your wife gets a new job and her boss rubs up against the back of her chair?

2 You're in a restaurant with your family and two blokes at the next table start calling each other ****s.

3 You move to a paradise island with constant winds and awesome waves. It's perfect apart from on 7th of every month, the law insists that everyone must greet one another with a kick in the balls.

"Erm guys, wouldn't it be a bit better if we changed our customs and said 'Hi' on the 7th day?"

"If you don't like it, leave."


and to finish. I don't like Elle Fabri. Should I leave?


SomeOtherGuy
NSW, 807 posts
26 Mar 2011 11:10AM
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Mark_bogan,

Australia is a multi-cultural country embracing all races and religions including Arabic muslims. If you don't like it - leave.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
26 Mar 2011 11:32AM
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If you don't like how Australia is changing you can always move to Tasmania.


ginger pom
VIC, 1746 posts
26 Mar 2011 11:38AM
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Mobydisc said...

If you don't like how Australia is changing you can always move to Tasmania.



Tasmania - the land formerly known as Van Diemen's Land. It's terrible when a nation becomes ignorant of its history.

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
26 Mar 2011 8:57AM
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Ginger Pom, you have not made your views on mass immigration clear to me.

log man
VIC, 8289 posts
26 Mar 2011 12:07PM
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ginger pom said...

Mobydisc said...

If you don't like how Australia is changing you can always move to Tasmania.



Tasmania - the land formerly known as Van Diemen's Land. It's terrible when a nation becomes ignorant of its history.




Ah the delicious Irony!

ginger pom
VIC, 1746 posts
26 Mar 2011 12:33PM
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petermac33 said...

Ginger Pom, you have not made your views on mass immigration clear to me.




I apologise. I thought this was a windsurfing and kitesurfing forum.

My views on Kantian ethics, libertarianism and whether it's right to weigh oneself before and after a poo have not been shared either.

I actually don't have to make a view known to participate in this debate. I'm merely attacking a factually incorrect cut and paste whilst querying what "if you don't like it, leave" actually means.

Cassa
WA, 1305 posts
26 Mar 2011 9:42AM
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Great read Mark , the truth about migrants that moved here years ago brings back stories that I was told by my parents about the difficulties they had to endure when they arrived as "poms".
They had $20 on arrival here in 1962 , that was it , no relatives , no friends, NO handouts.
They left most of the English ways behind and did their best to become Ausies, my father became one of 2 or 3 subcontract bricklayers in the state and employed over 50 men in ALL parts of WA.
In their efforts to join in and be ausie, they were asked to a bbq, stoked and being the first one they were invited to, they were told to bring a plate .Which they did , but an empty one at that after being the butt of all the jokes all night and being reminded of it contantly ,it was one of the memories that reminded them of what it was to be australian, having a laugh at others expense.
My father went on to teach for over 20yrs, study to be a registered builder , run , and employ hundreds over the years.
He was still working ,while breathing his last breath on an oxygen bottle, dying from mesothelioma .
He was an immigrant who was thankfull for his life in aus and did everything he could to be an ausie!
I would like to see new arrivals getting here through the right channels, providing for themselves, not getting handouts, and most of all being like us!

Elroy Jetson
WA, 706 posts
26 Mar 2011 12:09PM
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This reminds me of a day when I helped a friend move from a nice house in Padbury to an equally nice house that he bought in Hillarys (suburb right on the coast). It was a house on a fifth of an acre and not in an Estate. He and his wife were very happy and approachable Irish/Australians, in their 40's and very house proud. He loved helping all his old neighbours with their house projects on weekends and he was an extremely popular personality in the neighbourhood because of this.

At the end of the day and after moving the last load to Hillarys their new neighbour came around for a meet and greet. Within a few minutes she started:

"I don't know what it is like where you come from but people here don't have party's and if they do they only invite a few people and finish well before 8."

"We are a quiet street here and everyone here uses the same lawnmowing contractor. We wouldn't trust anyone else to be here. He is due to mow the lawns next week. I'll get him to come over to your place."

"We also have a plumber and an electrician that we all use here. I'll pass their details onto you. Where would you like me to put their cards, in your letterbox?"

"Were you thinking of removing some trees? I just would like to show you the ones that we would like removed."

She soon left and my friend and his wife were pale and speechless. They were the new arrivals and the new neighbour had obviously totally convinced herself of being righteous or in some way superior.

Mark _australia
WA, 22364 posts
26 Mar 2011 12:15PM
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log man said...

ginger pom said...

Mobydisc said...

If you don't like how Australia is changing you can always move to Tasmania.



Tasmania - the land formerly known as Van Diemen's Land. It's terrible when a nation becomes ignorant of its history.




Ah the delicious Irony!


Are you and Ginger Pom a bit thick? the very next line is how the Dutch only discovered WA and Tassie and they thought Tassie was the whole deal and missed all the rest of australia?
It says australia was called Van Diemen's land as back then they thought Tassie was it, the only thing down here in the southern hemisphere bar Africa.

I'm sure the guy who wrote it is aware V.D land is Tassie - just as he wrote it poorly does not make anything deliciously ironic, nor invalidate his thoughts about immigration (as an immigrant himself....)

I think the thumbs are voting in this one just like the last thread and the idealists are a dying breed fellas.

cisco
QLD, 12325 posts
26 Mar 2011 2:17PM
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ginger pom said...
I apologise. I thought this was a windsurfing and kitesurfing forum.



If you hover your cursor over "Forums" you will see there are others here too.

This particular section is the "General Discussion" or "Shooting the Breeze" forum and seems to be generally accepted by the members as the place where non wind sport related topics are discussed.

If this section is to be restricted to wind/kite surfing topics, why have it at all as they are catered for elsewhere on the site?

Hope I have not put too fine a point it.

cisco
QLD, 12325 posts
26 Mar 2011 2:26PM
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Elroy Jetson said...

This reminds me of a day when I helped a friend move from a nice house in Padbury to an equally nice house that he bought in Hillarys (suburb right on the coast). It was a house on a fifth of an acre and not in an Estate. He and his wife were very happy and approachable Irish/Australians, in their 40's and very house proud. He loved helping all his old neighbours with their house projects on weekends and he was an extremely popular personality in the neighbourhood because of this.

At the end of the day and after moving the last load to Hillarys their new neighbour came around for a meet and greet. Within a few minutes she started:

"I don't know what it is what like where you come from but people here don't have party's and if they do they only invite a few people and finish well before 8."

"We are a quiet street here and everyone here uses the same lawnmowing contractor. We wouldn't trust anyone else to be here. He is due to mow the lawns next week. I'll get him to come over to your place."

"We also have a plumber and an electrician that we all use here. I'll pass their details onto you. Where would you like me to put their cards, in your letterbox?"

"Were you thinking of removing some trees? I just would like to show you the ones that we would like removed."

She soon left and my friend and his wife were pale and speechless. They were the new arrivals and the new neighbour had obviously totally convinced herself of being righteous or in some way superior.


That is an interesting analogy Elroy but in the case of this current discussion it is the newcomers trying to tell the existing residents what to do and how to behave.

What some of us here, myself included, are saying is that over the past 200 odd years a social ethic has been established here that IS tolerant and IS welcoming of newcomers as long as you contribute and pull your weight like the rest of us. It works, is the envy of many other societies, we don't want to change it and there ain't no free rides.

log man
VIC, 8289 posts
26 Mar 2011 3:43PM
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Mark _australia said...

log man said...

ginger pom said...

Mobydisc said...

If you don't like how Australia is changing you can always move to Tasmania.



Tasmania - the land formerly known as Van Diemen's Land. It's terrible when a nation becomes ignorant of its history.




Ah the delicious Irony!


Are you and Ginger Pom a bit thick? the very next line is how the Dutch only discovered WA and Tassie and they thought Tassie was the whole deal and missed all the rest of australia?
It says australia was called Van Diemen's land as back then they thought Tassie was it, the only thing down here in the southern hemisphere bar Africa.

I'm sure the guy who wrote it is aware V.D land is Tassie - just as he wrote it poorly does not make anything deliciously ironic, nor invalidate his thoughts about immigration (as an immigrant himself....)

I think the thumbs are voting in this one just like the last thread and the idealists are a dying breed fellas.


Sorry Mark, I didn't get past the first few Paragraphs. And yeah idealism needs to be stamped out

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
26 Mar 2011 1:07PM
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cisco said...

Elroy Jetson said...

This reminds me of a day when I helped a friend move from a nice house in Padbury to an equally nice house that he bought in Hillarys (suburb right on the coast). It was a house on a fifth of an acre and not in an Estate. He and his wife were very happy and approachable Irish/Australians, in their 40's and very house proud. He loved helping all his old neighbours with their house projects on weekends and he was an extremely popular personality in the neighbourhood because of this.

At the end of the day and after moving the last load to Hillarys their new neighbour came around for a meet and greet. Within a few minutes she started:

"I don't know what it is what like where you come from but people here don't have party's and if they do they only invite a few people and finish well before 8."

"We are a quiet street here and everyone here uses the same lawnmowing contractor. We wouldn't trust anyone else to be here. He is due to mow the lawns next week. I'll get him to come over to your place."

"We also have a plumber and an electrician that we all use here. I'll pass their details onto you. Where would you like me to put their cards, in your letterbox?"

"Were you thinking of removing some trees? I just would like to show you the ones that we would like removed."

She soon left and my friend and his wife were pale and speechless. They were the new arrivals and the new neighbour had obviously totally convinced herself of being righteous or in some way superior.


That is an interesting analogy Elroy but in the case of this current discussion it is the newcomers trying to tell the existing residents what to do and how to behave.

What some of us here, myself included, are saying is that over the past 200 odd years a social ethic has been established here that IS tolerant and IS welcoming of newcomers as long as you contribute and pull your weight like the rest of us. It works, is the envy of many other societies, we don't want to change it and there ain't no free rides.




Even a dumb thick headed bastard like me figured out that the local resident was laying down the local law to the new arrivals from Padbury. Whats so complicated about Elroy's story. Lucky it wasn't me she was addressing with such pompous drivel. [}:)]

Elroy Jetson
WA, 706 posts
26 Mar 2011 1:30PM
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cisco said...

..... is that over the past 200 odd years a social ethic has been established here that IS tolerant and IS welcoming of newcomers as long as you contribute and pull your weight like the rest of us.



As a 7th generation white Australian I am tempted to join in on your train of thought. It suits my ego just perfectly. But I know the above statement is pure fantasy. I would have to ignore the many experiences where I have seen examples of white European Australians not pulling their weight and living on welfare, sometimes for many generations.

Compose yourself and reason that commercial radio and TV programs want to sell advertising and will use any technique, including the fear of 'others', to make sure you tune in. The more people that tune in and expose themselves to their adverts the more money the media company's make. Knowingly or unknowingly, you choose to be a part of this inducement.

Level the playing field and compare the worse immigrants with the worst European Australians and the best immigrants with the best European Australians.

Getting this all mixed up is not only comical but it comes across as self serving.

ginger pom
VIC, 1746 posts
26 Mar 2011 5:49PM
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Mark _australia said... The one thing they learned very quickly was
that if they looked, said, ate or thought something that seemed a bit different they would be
punched on the nose by Australians...


Welcome to Australia and Learn to Bloody Integrate
If you don't like it, Piss Off



cisco said...a social ethic has been established here that IS tolerant and IS welcoming of newcomers as long as you contribute and pull your weight like the rest of us.

Mark _australia
WA, 22364 posts
26 Mar 2011 3:19PM
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^^^^ no I didn't say

I cut n pasted soemthing that I largely agree with - the gist of it - not necessarily every word.

But yes, clever pickup. Proves you at least read it

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
26 Mar 2011 7:32PM
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ginger pom said...

Mobydisc said...

If you don't like how Australia is changing you can always move to Tasmania.



Tasmania - the land formerly known as Van Diemen's Land. It's terrible when a nation becomes ignorant of its history.




Yes we all know this. The name was changed from Van Diemens land as the colonial govenment felt it was better to name the island after Abel Tasman who was is credited with discovering the island, rather than some forgettable Dutch official plus distance themselves from the convict legacy.

Yes it is sad when a nation forgets its history. We tend to forget one of the main reasons Australia became a nation in 1901. For better or worse the protection of Australia's workers from cheap foreign labour was a huge motivator and as a result one of the first acts of federal parliament was severely restrict immigration from almost all countries besides Great Britain.

log man
VIC, 8289 posts
26 Mar 2011 7:54PM
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Picky, picky, picky , I know but there saying we became a nation in 1901 is a bit..... well you know......

hamburglar
ACT, 2174 posts
26 Mar 2011 8:17PM
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just imagine if those Dutch bastards weren't so stoned they would have found the east coast and we could all be spending our spare time in a coffee shop instead of visiting Nimbin

ginger pom
VIC, 1746 posts
26 Mar 2011 8:18PM
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Mark _australia said...

^^^^ no I didn't say

I cut n pasted soemthing that I largely agree with - the gist of it - not necessarily every word.

But yes, clever pickup. Proves you at least read it


This is all interesting and it takes an outsider (like me) a while to understand Australia's attitude to immigrants and to criticism.

Australia is a great country with a great attitude but it feels like it comes over all insecure when it's criticised.

"If you don't like, leave" is far too defensive. Usually it means "We're not perfect. We should probably fix a few things, but is it any better where you came from?"

The second photo in this article is my front door in London.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/6459265.stm

so it's not better where I came from..

log man
VIC, 8289 posts
26 Mar 2011 8:49PM
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Mark _australia said...

^^^^ no I didn't say

I cut n pasted soemthing that I largely agree with - the gist of it - not necessarily every word.

But yes, clever pickup. Proves you at least read it


Hey Mark, I don't know if you know this , and maybe you need to think about this every so often when you post this stuff. But it's not just the words on the page that make up the post. there's the tone, the inference, there's what you leave out, the emotion of the words you write. For example, when you say Female(s) instead of women. Female has a weird accusatory, almost dismissive connotation. Or in this post the reference to the gay mardi gras or the "homosexual green" has a tone that reeks of distrust and fear of gays. Apart from just the pig ignorance of whole post it is filled with inaccuracies, half truths, incredible leaps of logic, baseless pretenses,etc but that's kind of a secondary moan. It's the overwhelming feel of the post that really stinks. It's the patronising.spiteful, bigoted, bullying tone . A ,"MY way or the highway" type approach. You'll do as WE say or "a punch on the nose "(whatever that means!) will result. This is the sort of language that was so popular in the Cronulla riots a few years ago " we grew here ,you flew here". It's nasty, in a menacing way. I'm sure I wouldn't like to be on the end of this sort of stuff. Mark, I'm hoping you don't really believe this stuff and your just trying to get "offensive to far left greenie socialist types", like me and then having a good laugh when I get all fired up about it. I hope so. But be aware that this post has an undertone that is not pleasant

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
26 Mar 2011 5:58PM
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so you are from the uk ginger pom.

Britain, in one or two generations will go from a 99% white northern European ethnicity, to a country where if you are white, you will be in the minority.

in boroughs of London, this has already happened.

your ancestors ginger pom, will be turning in their graves.

again, are you in favour of this forever change of Britain's ethnicity?

would the Japanese be happy if they were to become a minority in their own country?

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
26 Mar 2011 6:08PM
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log man said...

Mark _australia said...

^^^^ no I didn't say

I cut n pasted soemthing that I largely agree with - the gist of it - not necessarily every word.

But yes, clever pickup. Proves you at least read it


Hey Mark, I don't know if you know this , and maybe you need to think about this every so often when you post this stuff. But it's not just the words on the page that make up the post. there's the tone, the inference, there's what you leave out, the emotion of the words you write. For example, when you say Female(s) instead of women. Female has a weird accusatory, almost dismissive connotation. Or in this post the reference to the gay mardi gras or the "homosexual green" has a tone that reeks of distrust and fear of gays. Apart from just the pig ignorance of whole post it is filled with inaccuracies, half truths, incredible leaps of logic, baseless pretenses,etc but that's kind of a secondary moan. It's the overwhelming feel of the post that really stinks. It's the patronising.spiteful, bigoted, bullying tone . A ,"MY way or the highway" type approach. You'll do as WE say or "a punch on the nose "(whatever that means!) will result. This is the sort of language that was so popular in the Cronulla riots a few years ago " we grew here ,you flew here". It's nasty, in a menacing way. I'm sure I wouldn't like to be on the end of this sort of stuff. Mark, I'm hoping you don't really believe this stuff and your just trying to get "offensive to far left greenie socialist types", like me and then having a good laugh when I get all fired up about it. I hope so. But be aware that this post has an undertone that is not pleasant


There's a far right and racist undertone there with your reply Logman, whats the go with that. [}:)]



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