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Created by japie > 9 months ago, 4 Feb 2010
japie
NSW, 6990 posts
4 Feb 2010 11:03PM
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There is a very healthy dislike of cats among some of the members and I thought I would share this story with you. I do not dislike them and have owned a few and abhor cruelty to animals. I just do not think they belong in Australia.

A friend of mine was brought up in Forbes. Anyone who knows it will know that it has a very pretty artificial lake as it's center piece. My mates dad, one time mayor and serious Catholic, waged a personal war on cats which regularly knocked off the waterfowl inhabiting the lakes.

He had a very rigid weekday routine. After starting his car in the morning he would put the cat trap in a bag and attach it to the exhaust while it warmed up. After the deed was done he would go to mass and then on to the old folks home where he would shave the inmates who needed shaving.

When he was terminally ill in hospital my mate and his brother and sister in law were discussing his life as he lay there, seemingly unconscious. The sister in law voiced the opinion that he was not such a saint, think of the hundreds of cats he had killed.

The old man opened his eyes and said " More like thousands Dearie!"

His son told me that he had asked the old man how he reconciled his faith and the killing of gods creatures.

His reply:

"They are not gods creatures son, they are the devil's work!"

Herry
130 posts
4 Feb 2010 8:06PM
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I'm not religious so I can't agree with that last statement, but I do know that the only good cat is a dead cat.

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
4 Feb 2010 8:18PM
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when my neighbours sold up and took their 3 cats , i managed to trap the stray toms and the feral kittens out of the area.
birds nest all throgh our trees now and every day we are blessed with birds feeding on the lawn. 6 different species.
recently on a +45 day the doves and mudlarks simply landed on the lawn where we put out water trays and the aircon sprinkler so they could cool off.
we could get close enough to pick them up.
when the cats were about there were no birds at all.
downside is that there are no lawn beetles, or flying insects to pollinate the veges

Pugwash
WA, 7672 posts
4 Feb 2010 8:48PM
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japie said...

I do not dislike them and have owned a few and abhor cruelty to animals.


Do you mean YOU were OWNED

edit:

<-- he made me write that

japie
NSW, 6990 posts
5 Feb 2010 12:03AM
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I have owned dogs all my life. My current model is a german shepherd x american bulldog and he is the best I have ever had. And he loves cats. You only have to say the word and you can tell he loves them!




George and his Dad

Cassa
WA, 1305 posts
4 Feb 2010 9:40PM
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I have heard through the grapevine , that if you put them in a cane cage and drop them in the water they turn into crayfish , is this true?[}:)]

AUS666
89 posts
4 Feb 2010 9:51PM
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japie said...
His son told me that he had asked the old man how he reconciled his faith and the killing of gods creatures.

His reply:

"They are not gods creatures son, they are the devil's work!"


Having had to bury one possum and taken another three to WIRES recently I can only say that I agree with him. The less cats in Australia the better.

japie
NSW, 6990 posts
5 Feb 2010 1:15AM
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I am sure they would turn into Crayfish but make sure they are dead when you put them in the trap. I drowned one once and will never do it again. It took quite a long time.

My ex, mother of my kids, had a cat that produced three litters a year in Bathurst. I found the most expedient method of disposal was to hold the kitten in the hand upside down with the thumb under the chin. The head is then brought down very smartly against a solid object. I used the down stake on my compost heap and then placed the cat gently in the next layer.

Great compost.



japie
NSW, 6990 posts
5 Feb 2010 1:32AM
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I was brought up with domestic cats in Africa.

If they take off there they get eaten fairly rapidly where there is any wild life.

They do damage here that we may never be able to measure. They first wild cat I saw was in the Dandenongs shortly after getting here. It was jet black and looked like a small black panther.

As bad as they are, they are the ultimate killing machine and so bloody smart. Look after number one, not like a dog.

As to the comment about birds, how obvious is it when you take notice and a bit of care. I have two mates who both keep three $1000 dollar cats. Both love birds and keep their cats confined to the house and a run. They both have wild birds in the garden.

The bloody big shame about cats is that they mainly target natives. The Mynahs and starlings are long immune!

cisco
QLD, 12345 posts
5 Feb 2010 7:44AM
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It goes beyond birds.

Cats eat birds. Birds eat aphids. Aphids eat trees. Therefore if you want to have trees you can't have cats.

Why is it that dogs must be registered with the council but not cats? I believe all domestic cats should be registered and collared with a bell that will sound even with the slightest movement and that any unregistered or uncollared cats should be exterminated.

Some cats grow to an enormous size when they become feral and any wise dog steers clear of them. Native wild life has no chance.

There was something on the telly about panthers on the loose in rural Victoria.

Anybody know anything about that??

saltiest1
NSW, 2499 posts
5 Feb 2010 9:14AM
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dogs have masters, cats have servants.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
5 Feb 2010 9:31AM
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cisco said...


There was something on the telly about panthers on the loose in rural Victoria.

Anybody know anything about that??


There's always reports about panthers, but no 'real' proof. The story goes...early last century, a panther got loose in regional Vic. from a travelling circus, and was never found. It was either pregs, or bred with feral cats to produce a line of big 'black cats that are seen often, but never caught on hi-res cameras!

A friend (farmer) had his chooks stolen over a few nights and decided to hold a 'stakeout'.

The first night, he spotted the offender, and from what he described to us, it was a black cat slinking along, that stood about 1m high with a long tail, about 1.2m long! (panther?) As he was reaching for his gun...the old power lead (typical farmer patch-up job) pulled out of the spotlight & by the time he got another light, it had gone.

So the next night he made sure his spotty was good, had gun handy & the 'panther' walked up to the chook-yard, about 20m from where he was setup...he waited for the prime shot (fame just seconds away!), and squeezed the trigger...gun jammed! He's had this gun for over 20yrs, and this is the first time it ever did it! Turned him a bit superstitious, and he never saw the cat again.

That is the nearest to a 'first-hand' account I've ever heard, but there's been sightings in the Grampians, Gippsland, Mallee...etc.

j murray
SA, 947 posts
5 Feb 2010 9:15AM
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Cats are a real problem thruout Australia some of my own experiences are a

little unbelievable unless you have been witness yourself.

Up along the Darling working for a few years about one in ten trees had a cat

occupant , we grew bored with shooting them with .22 there are so many.

Out in centeral and western Qld similar but the difference is that wild cats have

heads as big and as round as basketballs.

In desert areas of WA I have seen cats as big as dogs and observed sardine tins that

have been eaten by these wild creatures..............Kill Cats is a good motto!!

brucey65
79 posts
5 Feb 2010 8:03AM
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I SAY KILL ALL CATS ..IF ANYBODY ON THIS FORUM HAS A DIRTY CAT .... KILL IT . HUMANELY OF COURSE . Im not a cruel towards animals

busterwa
3777 posts
5 Feb 2010 8:51AM
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Japie i used to have a rotweiler and insted of a dogs bed it had an old double couch !!!! pointed toward the gate!!! old couched make the best dogs beds!!!

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
5 Feb 2010 11:52AM
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Disagree there Bruce.

We don't have a cat or plan to have one but they can be a good pet. All domestic cats should be registered, microchipped and desexed, except for breeding stock owned by registered and ethical breeders. Cats should also have a bell or some other device which makes a sound when they move.

Train your cat to hunt Indian Mynahs. There is another pest problem that needs some action.

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
5 Feb 2010 11:59AM
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A friend of mine loves cats so much that he has designed a cat toy that he has named "the cat hammer". Your cat can use it as a scratching post as the handle is wrapped in twine and the 5kg claw head keeps the handle upright, or you can even throw it at the cat and it might (or might not) bring it back to you.

He is currently working on designing the "Cat sledge hammer" for bigger moggies where the cat hammer may be too small a toy. I have suggested that the "Cat Brick" would also be a big seller with cat lovers as your cat could use it as a pillow, or you could even throw it at the cat just like a ball of wool.

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
5 Feb 2010 10:59AM
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A cat which became famous for catching the same bus every day for four years has been run over and killed - while crossing the road to catch its daily lift.

Crafty Casper died in a hit and run accident as he tried to board the No3 service.

He hopped on the bus around 10am every morning and sat on the back seat throughout its entire 11 mile route.

The freeloading Feline would travel around his home city of Plymouth, Devon, for up to an hour before arriving back at the same stop.

But after an estimated 20,000 miles on the bus Casper was killed crossing the road to catch his daily ride.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1244106/Cat-boarded-bus-day-years-killed-hit-run.html


www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1244106/Cat-boarded-bus-day-years-killed-hit-run.html

busterwa
3777 posts
5 Feb 2010 11:15AM
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GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
5 Feb 2010 1:40PM
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Mobydisc said...

Disagree there Bruce.

We don't have a cat or plan to have one but they can be a good pet. All domestic cats should be registered, microchipped and desexed, except for breeding stock owned by registered and ethical breeders. Cats should also have a bell or some other device which makes a sound when they move.


I have 2 girlz...but I hate what they can do to nature and I HATE stupid owners that don't do the right thing. I wanted my girlz to be sterilized at 4 months as I know they can get preg's at this age...but the vet did not want too as their bodies are not big enough to handle the operation. Any body that does not do the the right thing by the community with sterilization micro chipping and having a enclosed run for there cat is just crap in my book.
But there will always be dog people and cat people...I have both.

In Broome..we use to go to the rubbish tip very early on a weekend and shoot the THOUSANDS of wild cats out there...and the kitties we use to trap on our property at the back of cable beach were HUGH...like a dog size...and the ranger would pick them up every couple of days and drown them or shoot them. HATE feral cats..so you see cat lovers like me...don't like stupid owners or feral cats.

japie
NSW, 6990 posts
5 Feb 2010 5:40PM
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There are always irresponsible pet owners who give the true believers a bad name, whatever species. It is great to hear from responsible folk as it is a constant bugbear of mine.

There are nine dogs on my two block walk to the beach and you never see one of them out of the yard. They go absolutely nuts when you walk past. They are stir crazy. Our neigbours dog became such a nuisance that she asked us to shoot it. All it needed was a walk but it got the lead.

I had a run in with a Sheila who feeds the feral cats on the north break wall to the harbor. It is riddled with cats that will actually pinch your bait if you don't contain it. She told me George should be on a leash. 9 O'clock at night, talk about waving a red flag a t a bull!

How the hell can he catch them if he is on a leash? In actual fact he has only ever caught two kittens neither of which was harmed. He spat the first one out. The second one I had to make him leave as a lady with a pram and some kids was coming and he was trying to drown it in the river!

A mate of mine worked up in the northern territory. He told me that in one culvert pipe he killed 39 of the bastards, one of which is an exhibit in a museum in Perth it was so big. It makes you wonder what they are eating especially out in the desert.

By the way, that free cat photo has me in stitches. We had a great cartoon book a few years back called 101 uses for a dead cat. I must try and dig it out.

GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
5 Feb 2010 3:14PM
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I saw a Malcolm Douglas show a few months back were an inland aboriginal tribe
favored a big fat puss over other meats.
and this
:-

Matt Cunningham

August 29, 2007 06:24am

AN author has found a novel solution to a feral cat problem _ serve them up for dinner.
Alice Springs children's author Kaye Kessing has entered her sauteed cat and quandong in this year's Wildfoods Recipe Challenge of the Alice Desert Festival.

She chose the dish ahead of her other feline favourite, the "caterole".

The secret, says the feral chef, is to make sure the cat is well done so that any bacteria is killed.

"It's a white meat but I would say it's not as gamey as rabbit," Ms Kessing said.

"It has to be cooked to tender perfection."""

In Broome rubbish tip...they had a bank on used tires on the far side of the tip which held water in them most of the year....so this is one of the reasons the cats went forth and multiplyed. It is an amazing site to see a shot ring out and literally hundreds of cats and kittens scattering to all parts of the tip...
It's really sad I suppose as it is not their fault.

japie
NSW, 6990 posts
5 Feb 2010 7:43PM
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It is sad that we do bugger all. I had some mates, badly smelly mates who were shooting fifty foxes a night in South Australia. They could have done more but skinning time limited them. they were making a motsa and them the anti fur mob ****ed it for everyone.

I could never eat cat, or crocodile for that matter but there is a myriad of solutions out there. Killing those camels from helicopters and just leaving them there was a travesty.

If you compare our environmental practices here to South Africa they win hands down. It is the only thing but they are bloody good at it because if forms such a huge part of the revenue. Here we leave everything up to the Parks and Wildlife or whoever and the result is crap at best.

I used to fish for trout outside Bathurst on a dam that was not open to the public. We used to walk in from the back end and camp. The fishing was magnificent. But every time you went through you could guarantee you would see either pigs or goats. The valley was choked with blackberry.

They finally allow people to shoot in the NSW parks now, along the same lines as New Zeeland did in the thirties when feral dear became a problem! Doesn't that tell you something!

There has been a European perch explosion In NSW. Whilst they are quite highly valued as angling fish they rapidly out breed everything else and then become stunted. They strip the water of all zooplankton and you then get bad algal blooms in summer. The Fisheries resident expert on redfin has three control projects refused and yet they were identified as noxious in 1994.

A mates kid found a dead one in Lake Oberon, a onetime fly fishing mecca. It was 2002. there was a small dam in the town with reddies in it so a local must have transferred them. I reported it to the fisheries who said that they would get back to me. Two weeks later they phoned to say they had been to have a look but could not SEE any.

In 2008, six breeding seasons later, they posted a confirmation on their web page. Useless as tits on a fish! incidentally they fetch E12 a kilo in Europe.


I will fore go eating cats though!

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
5 Feb 2010 5:06PM
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Hey japie, with the cammel thing whats the big deal with leaving the carcase there? I thought that would be ok as native animals would feed on the dead animal.

Same as the donkeys that they had to cull in the north west.

I agree, I wouldnt eat a cat either but I ate ox heart in Bali, tasted like steak

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
5 Feb 2010 5:34PM
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i ate dog in Kupang once
Tough horrible tasteless sh!te even with gallons of peanut sauce.

Mark _australia
WA, 22546 posts
5 Feb 2010 5:57PM
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Rellie are you sure it was only once

I bunged a nice 55 grainer from my .22/250 thru a cat's head at 200m the other night. The spotlight looked lovely reflecting off the cloud of red mist.
Very pretty.

japie
NSW, 6990 posts
5 Feb 2010 8:57PM
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There is a very strong market for camel meat that was all. It just seems such a waste that we could apply some sort of sound economics into reducing ferals. It is all very well going out and shooting a whole heap but you know that that is where the effort is going to stop until they become a problem again.

Do you know why they call them the ship of the desert?

Full of arab semen!

Apparently ours our disease free and fed on a natural diet they should make really good eating. I would give them a go. I tried Zebra once and it smelled of horse and you needed a chain saw.

We are struggling to sell kangaroo to the Russians because of an antiquated and inflexible abattoirs system.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
5 Feb 2010 10:32PM
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Mark _australia said...

Rellie are you sure it was only once

I bunged a nice 55 grainer from my .22/250 thru a cat's head at 200m the other night. The spotlight looked lovely reflecting off the cloud of red mist.
Very pretty.




Fark I miss hunting.

KFKiter
SA, 213 posts
5 Feb 2010 11:41PM
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I hope the Kung Fu Cat gets every cat hater.
If I catch a cat hater hurting a cat I will take great pleasure in hurting them!!

As in the thead where people were complaining about peoples unruly dogs on the beach.
Blame the owners of these animals. Feral Cats and Dogs should be controled, But domestic ones are someones loved pet.

Mark _australia
WA, 22546 posts
5 Feb 2010 9:29PM
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well I shoot feral cats so I guess you have no complaints

seeing as though the owners seem to have no control over them and they infest the bush and kill native wildlife, seems others need to control them.

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
6 Feb 2010 4:36PM
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cat totally owns a rottie .. look at it cower in fear at the end.. just shows attitude beats size any day

www.liveleak.com/view?i=41d_1254896147



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