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Curiosity Mars Mission

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Created by choco > 9 months ago, 7 Aug 2012
pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
10 Aug 2012 4:24PM
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Well if they find water indeed, I hope they put fluoride in it...

NotWal
QLD, 7428 posts
10 Aug 2012 4:59PM
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Pitbull said...
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Everyone has their own views, however I find it difficult to believe when the flag is fluttering without any moon dust being blown around and not one star in the sky.

Not so difficult. Here you go:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories

Pitbull
WA, 1267 posts
10 Aug 2012 5:23PM
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Still don't believe it unless I see it for myself.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
10 Aug 2012 5:34PM
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Pitbull said...

Still don't believe it unless I see it for myself.


They left reflectors on the moon when they were up there, its on the NASA website. Not sure how many but it does prove they were there.

Pitbull
WA, 1267 posts
10 Aug 2012 5:55PM
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Probably something they shot into the moon. 'Look at the shiney thing on the surface! It's a reflector and not crash reckage. Bad luck your telescope can't make it out. Please believe us.'

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
10 Aug 2012 5:56PM
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Pitbull said...

Probably something they shot into the moon. 'Look at the shiney thing on the surface! It's a reflector and not crash reckage. Bad luck your telescope can't make it out. Please believe us.'


I went through this one a few years ago, they went. Just dont get me started on 911

Pitbull
WA, 1267 posts
10 Aug 2012 5:58PM
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What happened?

fingerbone
NSW, 921 posts
10 Aug 2012 9:18PM
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isn't there two rovers up there ....... somewhere.....cant anybody see them ??

Pitbull
WA, 1267 posts
10 Aug 2012 7:27PM
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I can see them if I close my eyes

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
10 Aug 2012 7:42PM
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Pitbull said...

What happened?


Nothing.

Pitbull
WA, 1267 posts
10 Aug 2012 7:44PM
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Just like those magic crop circles?

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
10 Aug 2012 7:58PM
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fingerbone said...

isn't there two rovers up there ....... somewhere.....cant anybody see them ??

Yep, the Russians sent an unmanned one around the moon a few years ago and took photos of all the Yankee litter. It was specifically mentioned as putting to rest all the ol' "they never went" theories.

Pitbull
WA, 1267 posts
10 Aug 2012 8:08PM
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Maybe the Yanks downloaded their own photos to the Ruskies by hacking their computers to make them think that they took the pictures themselves?

fingerbone
NSW, 921 posts
11 Aug 2012 7:04PM
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dinsdale said...

fingerbone said...

isn't there two rovers up there ....... somewhere.....cant anybody see them ??

Yep, the Russians sent an unmanned one around the moon a few years ago and took photos of all the Yankee litter. It was specifically mentioned as putting to rest all the ol' "they never went" theories.


I didn't know that...do you have a site I can check it out on?

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
13 Aug 2012 1:40PM
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GreenPat said...

Millions will die of starvation regardless of whether we go have a look at Mars or not. Even if the money that it cost to go to Mars was spent on food for the starving millions instead, they'll still die of starvation, just a little later perhaps. Until developing countries embrace sustainable agriculture and economic stability, rather than corruption and agression, poor people will continue to starve.


Why explore space?
launiusr.wordpress.com/2012/02/08/why-explore-space-a-1970-letter-to-a-nun-in-africa/

Pitbull said...
Everyone has their own views, however I find it difficult to believe when the flag is fluttering without any moon dust being blown around and not one star in the sky.


If I unrolled my sail on the moon it would flutter for a bit too; no atmosphere required. The flags were a lot lighter, delicate etc. Just imagein you are floating in space and you unfurl a flag. It's going to do it's wobble thing for a bit.

As for the stars, I can't see any in the sky today either. It works kinda the same way on the moon; the sun is too ****ing bright, but also the objects in the photo are too bright aswell. If you've ever been camping on a full moon you'd have noticed how bright everything is. You can just/almost read by the light of a full moon. So imagine how ****ing bright it would be standing on it! Moon dust is really, really reflective. You can read some accounts by the Apollo astronauts and they describe at very, very other-worldy, very surreal. Compared to that and the shiny space suits the camera just isn't going to pick up the stars. Any photographer can attest to this unless they're all in on the conspiracy too.

Claim to fame: Had a guest speaker at a meeting when I was a kid. My mum took me along to it and at the end she said "Go up and introduce yourself to Mr. Aldrin". I shook his hand. Still haven't washed it.

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
13 Aug 2012 2:00PM
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Dr Evil,
Brilliant article - thanks for the link. As alluded to in the replies to the article I am guessing that the anecdote about the philanthropist Count and his funding for the development of the microscope is just a fable?

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
13 Aug 2012 3:41PM
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^ I don't know.

I don't get the "moon landing sceptics". SURELY you agree that there are man-made satellites orbiting the Earth. Since sputnik you can look up at night (best just after sunset) and see them passing over. The ISS is brighter than Venus; you can't miss it.

If you agree we have satellites then it's not much of a jump to get to the Moon. You just get into the right orbit and whoosh on out over to the moon. About 6 days travel time. Getting there is almost possible with amateurs these days. Staying in space for long periods is of course well known, I think even 1 year aboard the ISS(?).

Now getting people there is a bit harder, especially alive people. One has to slow down from that enormous speed and land a vehicle safely on the surface without killing its occupants. Again, this was done a few times, landing the rovers on Mars was a harder feat.

What impresses me the most was getting back. Came across this while surfing around looking for a trajectory video that might explain it all a bit better. It's amazing what's on the web these days.
ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19630011448.pdf
Very pretty diagrams. I don't pretend to understand the Maths.
Looks like Australia was a likely landing point at that stage.

Pitbull
WA, 1267 posts
13 Aug 2012 8:44PM
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evlPanda said...

GreenPat said...

Millions will die of starvation regardless of whether we go have a look at Mars or not. Even if the money that it cost to go to Mars was spent on food for the starving millions instead, they'll still die of starvation, just a little later perhaps. Until developing countries embrace sustainable agriculture and economic stability, rather than corruption and agression, poor people will continue to starve.


Why explore space?
launiusr.wordpress.com/2012/02/08/why-explore-space-a-1970-letter-to-a-nun-in-africa/

Pitbull said...
Everyone has their own views, however I find it difficult to believe when the flag is fluttering without any moon dust being blown around and not one star in the sky.


If I unrolled my sail on the moon it would flutter for a bit too; no atmosphere required. The flags were a lot lighter, delicate etc. Just imagein you are floating in space and you unfurl a flag. It's going to do it's wobble thing for a bit.

As for the stars, I can't see any in the sky today either. It works kinda the same way on the moon; the sun is too ****ing bright, but also the objects in the photo are too bright aswell. If you've ever been camping on a full moon you'd have noticed how bright everything is. You can just/almost read by the light of a full moon. So imagine how ****ing bright it would be standing on it! Moon dust is really, really reflective. You can read some accounts by the Apollo astronauts and they describe at very, very other-worldy, very surreal. Compared to that and the shiny space suits the camera just isn't going to pick up the stars. Any photographer can attest to this unless they're all in on the conspiracy too.

Claim to fame: Had a guest speaker at a meeting when I was a kid. My mum took me along to it and at the end she said "Go up and introduce yourself to Mr. Aldrin". I shook his hand. Still haven't washed it.


There's still gravity on the moon - the flag should have dropped.

Macroscien
QLD, 6806 posts
13 Aug 2012 11:30PM
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Cost of sending Mars rover is estimated at circa 2.5 bln $ . Which means that our Gina could afford to buy be herself 20 - 30 vehicles.
That is sort of money that one person could have and still need more, since whole the biggest and richest country in the world hardly could scrap the pennies to afford any space program.
For 5 bln bucks you could build a space tram that will send everything in space at the cost $1 per kg using magnetic gun. Only problem nobody has spare few billion bucks.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarTram

theDoctor
NSW, 5780 posts
14 Aug 2012 12:39AM
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how many rovers have they sent to mars under the guise of the same mission

it's nothing but a distraction and accounting rort to funnel funds into other operations

desertyank
1262 posts
13 Aug 2012 11:06PM
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Pitbull said...

evlPanda said...

GreenPat said...




Pitbull said...
Everyone has their own views, however I find it difficult to believe when the flag is fluttering without any moon dust being blown around and not one star in the sky.




There's still gravity on the moon - the flag should have dropped.





If I remember correctly, there's a stiff rod that goes inside the top of the flag to hold it's shape.

Mark _australia
WA, 22358 posts
13 Aug 2012 11:47PM
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gawd do some people still doubt?

You can even see the rod in the top edge. Try harder Pitbull

choco
SA, 4032 posts
14 Aug 2012 9:11AM
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I think chimps went to the moon instead of humans I remember seeing a box of bananas in one pic

colk2004
317 posts
14 Aug 2012 7:47AM
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No atmosphere to stop it moving, no real gravity either...the pole was thin the top bar thinner. When it was planted into the ground the springy-ness of the assembly caused it to 'wobble' giving the appearance of wind. It did stop eventually.

The cameras were chest mounted Hasselblads so there are no reflections of cameras in front of faces before anyone mentions that one!

As a kid I watched every bit of tv i was allowed on all the missions, and read every available newspaper. Check out the special effects in Where Eagles Dare and On her Majesties Secret Service 2 films from '69 and tell me that NASA was capable of producing seamless footage of capsules landing in the sea and the moon footage.

Cheers Col

rod_bunny
WA, 1089 posts
14 Aug 2012 9:48AM
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evlPanda said...
Who the hell would want to live on Mercury?

...Or any other planet for that matter. Sure the first month or so would be exciting, but then it would be like being cramped up in a ****e little apartment in a desolate wasteland. I'd rather spend my life as a hobo in a nice park.


A bit like living in london then

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
14 Aug 2012 11:20AM
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Pitbull said...

Just like those magic crop circles?


Sorry, fake as well. I would like them to be real

Pitbull
WA, 1267 posts
14 Aug 2012 11:46AM
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Mark _australia said...

gawd do some people still doubt?

You can even see the rod in the top edge. Try harder Pitbull


There should be a hinge where it attaches to the pole.

All in all, I'm just pulling your chain. I'm 50/50 on the debate. Just looking at different views.

Cheers

Pitbull
WA, 1267 posts
14 Aug 2012 11:47AM
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doggie said...

Pitbull said...

Just like those magic crop circles?


Sorry, fake as well. I would like them to be real


I agree. But some of the patterns are pretty good.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
14 Aug 2012 12:04PM
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Pitbull said...

doggie said...

Pitbull said...

Just like those magic crop circles?


Sorry, fake as well. I would like them to be real


I agree. But some of the patterns are pretty good.


A mate of mine is from the Stone Henge area and went and had a look at alot of them. Said they were definatly fake.

theDoctor
NSW, 5780 posts
14 Aug 2012 2:22PM
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Yeah so totally fake, done by two old guys with a plank of wood tied to ropes, they did out one night on the way home from the pub...





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