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Forums > General Discussion   Shooting the breeze...

Drink Drive advice

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Created by tangohotel > 9 months ago, 5 Sep 2016
Greenroom
WA, 7608 posts
10 Sep 2016 8:40AM
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remo81 said..
Pug, I'm not hurting anyone. So therefor I've done nothing wrong.
If a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it, does it make any noise?
If someone has a few and drives home, and doesn't have an incident, and noone sees them, is it a crime?

What a load of bs.
I steal a lollie from the deli and get away with it, is it a crime?
I murder someone, no one witnesses it and no one notices the person missing and I get away with it, is it a crime?
Some people are just bell ends.

Nathe
WA, 437 posts
10 Sep 2016 8:47AM
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Its doing fine. I bet its doing better than yours. I hit the gym five days a week. Being the second hardest man on water isn't a fluke you know.


Ahh the big muscle, small pecker and tiny brain syndrome!! You really sound like a tosser

Jono77
WA, 355 posts
10 Sep 2016 9:22AM
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Chris6791 said...
Jono77 said...
Chris6791 said...
Underoath said...
Can someone calculate backwards, what his Alcohol content in his blood was if he had 5 hours sleep and weighed 85kg?

I gave it a shot, but my calculation seems too high.


I had it up around 0.29


Weight has a negligible effect on the calculation and sleep none. You need to know what time his last drink was and then what time he did the test and what the reading was. If we guessed at midnight and 10:00am your calculation might be in the ballpark. So his blood alcohol content might not have actually peaked until 3am then it started coming back down. So maybe by 5 or 6 am he's 'sobered up' enough that's he's now just as pissed as he was when the beer stopped flowing at midnight.


The guidelines/rules for BAC calculations are;
1 standard drink = 10grams of alcohol
1 standard drink increases (on average) someone's BAC by 0.02%
The body (on average) processes 1 standard drink out per hour

If he was 0.1% BAC when tested, 5 hours earlier he was 0.2% BAC, if you go by these guidelines issued by drink wise, but there are many variables also to consider.

It doesn't really matter too much when your last drink was, it's more important when your first drink was, the rate of consumption, how much was consumed and what sort of condition your body is in to be able to process the alcohol out of your body.


This is incorrect, the guidelines are intended to keep the average person under the limit (with a bit of leeway in the safe side). This is different to trying to calculate an actual blood alcohol content.

The time of last drink is also extremely relevant when it comes to pissy driving and not blowing over the next morning.. There's a lot of research that shows your blood alcohol level keeps rising for two hours after you stop drinking as it takes that long for it to finish getting from your stomach into your blood. Which takes me back to my original comment/scenario. If your pissed at a wedding and stop drinking you don't actually peak for another two hours (that's why you wake up with the bed spins at 3am).

After grabbing a roadie for the taxi delaying that that peak to 3am you start coming back down, so by 5 or 6am your blood alcohol level is only now back to where it was when you stumbled out of the wedding reception looking for a taxi.

By 9am you're awake, tired but awake and you poke in a slice of toast, coffee and 6 panadol but in reality you're still pissed as you were when the wedding cake was served 12 hours earlier.

Ever wonder why the booze buses bother doing RBT's first thing in the morning?




What I wrote certainly is not "incorrect". In fact similar to what you have just written but with some numbers to start some calculations. What your saying is fine as well but the last drink does not have as much affect as the quantity you drank, the rate you drink and when you started drinking it.

The last drink is most relivant for roadside RBT. If you have just had a drink within 5 mins of an RBT you could still have alcohol in your mouth causing a very high, inaccurate reading of BAC. The cops then take you to the station, you sit there for 20 mins or so (I forget exactly how long) for the alcohol to clear from your mouth and they retest. By that time the alcohol has gone out of your mouth, into your blood and gives a true reading. Hopefully you haven't been silly and that one drink 5 mins before an RBT was the only one you had.

Yes, you certainly can get tested in the morning and be over the limit but this has more to do with how much you drank the night before and when you started drinking rather than the time of your last drink (unless your last drink was 5 mins ago).

The main challenge for your body is to process the alcohol out, and by Drink Wise guidelines, that is 1 standard drink per hour. The earlier you start drinking, the sooner your body can start processing the alcohol out of your body.

As far as the assumptions of 1 standard drink per hour, and 1 standard drink raises your BAC by 0.02%, yes this is an average, even a conservative average. If there is a need to make this more accurate, an analysis of the particular person is needed eg. Size, body fat, health, liver function, gender, mental state, type of alcohol consumed, food consumed etc.

There are a million scenarios and variables but this is the guidelines to start to understand how alcohol affects our bodies.

remo81
QLD, 678 posts
10 Sep 2016 2:30PM
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Soggy said..

remo81 said...
Its doing fine. I bet its doing better than yours. I hit the gym five days a week. Being the second hardest man on water isn't a fluke you know.



Ahh the big muscle, small pecker and tiny brain syndrome!! You really sound like a tosser


Ahh the small muscle , big pecker and big brain syndrome!!! Naa doesn't exist.

NewScotty
2350 posts
11 Sep 2016 8:05AM
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Uber = no need to drink drive ever (if you have it locally).

James
WA, 549 posts
11 Sep 2016 11:45AM
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NewScotty said...
Uber = no need to drink drive ever (if you have it locally).


Wouldn't go near Uber. I'll stick with the taxis, as rough as they can be . One actually answered his mobile while I was sitting next to him . But yeah , what Uber charge during peak periods isn't exorbitant , it's plain evil !

Crusoe
QLD, 1195 posts
11 Sep 2016 6:31PM
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Has tangohotel finally admitted it was really him who got don for DD?

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
12 Sep 2016 9:14PM
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Mark _australia said..

Chris6791 said..
you poke in a slice of toast, coffee and 6 panadol




poke it in where?


www.panadol.com.au/products/adults/panadol-suppositories/

Though I recommend you take the toast and coffee orally. First.

tangohotel
85 posts
13 Sep 2016 7:31PM
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Crusoe said..
Has tangohotel finally admitted it was really him who got don for DD?


Ah...no. I have never lost my license for any reason. I have only had 2 speeding low range tickets in 30 years of driving and no accidents. Thanks to the 2 people that replied with something worthwhile. To the people that are prepared to judge and condemn someone they have never met over a poor decision, no thanks at all..Isn't the internet wonderful.

remo81
QLD, 678 posts
13 Sep 2016 10:42PM
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Greenroom said..

remo81 said..
Pug, I'm not hurting anyone. So therefor I've done nothing wrong.
If a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it, does it make any noise?
If someone has a few and drives home, and doesn't have an incident, and noone sees them, is it a crime?


What a load of bs.
I steal a lollie from the deli and get away with it, is it a crime?
I murder someone, no one witnesses it and no one notices the person missing and I get away with it, is it a crime?
Some people are just bell ends.


Killing someone is an action, you have done something that has affected someone and others around them.

What if I rode my pushy down to the bottleo, with out a helmet to get a bottle of coke, and didn't get caught. Also not running into or hurting anyone. Is that a crime?

The others you have listed are silly. You may as well say, 'If I flew a plane into a building and killed heaps of people but didn't get caught, is it a crime'? This is silly. It is an action that affected many people, not just the ones that are no longer around to speak of that badness.

Now, You do realise that you can get done for riding a Push Bike while over 0.05. Let me know your thoughts....

Crusoe
QLD, 1195 posts
14 Sep 2016 4:24AM
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What if I keep shooting a gun into a crowd of people, but the bullets keep missing them. Is it a crime?

Does it only become a crime if I kill somebody?

If I drink drive, does it only become a crime if someone gets hurts?

remo81
QLD, 678 posts
14 Sep 2016 11:19AM
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Crusoe said..
What if I keep shooting a gun into a crowd of people, but the bullets keep missing them. Is it a crime?

Does it only become a crime if I kill somebody?

If I drink drive, does it only become a crime if someone gets hurts?


Ok point taken. A very good one at that.

The same can be said for speeding though, and everyone is guilty of it. Even if you have never been caught.

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
14 Sep 2016 10:53AM
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The QUESTION is if a tree fall in the forest and not women is there is it wrong? err or something like that.

Crusoe
QLD, 1195 posts
15 Sep 2016 6:02AM
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The QUESTION is if a tree fall in the forest and not women is there is it wrong? err or something like that.


The unsolvable.
If women are always right and men are always wrong and I (mere male) say this is correct, then it mustn't be true.

Pugwash
WA, 7685 posts
15 Sep 2016 9:19AM
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remo81 said..

Ok point taken. A very good one at that.

The same can be said for speeding though, and everyone is guilty of it. Even if you have never been caught.


Seems to me that the view on speeding is pretty similar, e.g:

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/General-Discussion/Chat/Radar-detectors

tangohotel
85 posts
27 Oct 2016 5:42PM
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OK. So he texted me last night. Got a lawyer who got him a work license. As he is the sole provider whilst his wife (my niece) studies it is a good result for him. He actually works 3 jobs, 6 days a week. He is not a tap out wearing, gap toothed, bong smoking, neck tattooed, stay at home, collect the dole, work the system bloke. Just a good fella that F**KED up and he is genuinely grateful for the judges decision. I don't think he will put himself in that position again. I love a happy ending, don't you?

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