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Good Bye Windows - Hello Chrome!!

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Created by cisco > 9 months ago, 20 May 2011
cisco
QLD, 12323 posts
21 May 2011 12:13AM
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Acer and Samsung will soon be distributing Note(Net)Book PCs with the "Google Chrome O.S." installed.

What!!! No Windows!!! Yep.

gs12
WA, 396 posts
20 May 2011 10:47PM
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They have the Internet on computers, now?

Homer Simpson

Squid Lips
WA, 708 posts
20 May 2011 10:49PM
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Sounds like a great idea if you have a desktop as well (running Linux of course) for all your personal stuff you don't want to store online. I was going to get a tablet soon but I'll consider one of these for sure for daily web browsing duties.

Mark _australia
WA, 22285 posts
20 May 2011 10:50PM
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gs12 said...

They have the Internet on computers, now?

Homer Simpson


They have the what on those thingos?

bjw
QLD, 3610 posts
21 May 2011 12:50AM
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Thats nothing new, Acer have been distributing an alternative called ubuntu, except unlike googles, it doesn't require the internet. All free, and like mac s no real virus issues coz its linux.

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
21 May 2011 12:48AM
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After spending three hours today tracking down a very strange bug in a flash slideshow component, that only affected Internet Explorer...

... and the default browser in a cheap netbook is something other than IE...

... it has my full support

kyteryder
NSW, 692 posts
21 May 2011 10:37AM
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It looks like a great idea. I have nearly the same functions on my ipad. I use my ipad for 95% of my web browsing, music, photos etc. But chrome os, looks like it will give my ipad a run for its money

FormulaNova
WA, 14529 posts
21 May 2011 10:44AM
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nebbian said...

After spending three hours today tracking down a very strange bug in a flash slideshow component, that only affected Internet Explorer...

... and the default browser in a cheap netbook is something other than IE...

... it has my full support


No, Chrome is not the default browser, it is the OS. You won't have an option, and I wonder if you can install apps, or whether it will all run remotely.

Without the connection to the internet, I wonder what it lets you do.

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
21 May 2011 11:03AM
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FormulaNova said...
No, Chrome is not the default browser, it is the OS. You won't have an option, and I wonder if you can install apps, or whether it will all run remotely.

Without the connection to the internet, I wonder what it lets you do.


Chrome OS is a glorified version of their browser. Chrome OS is exclusively for "Cloud Computing" - ie everything is on the net, hence you do all your stuff in a browser window, out there somewhere. So what you see as your desktop is in fact a full screen browser window. There are a few other little changes. It's fine if your identity isn't worth keeping, but if you want all your private stuff to remain private, don't go near! They might be able to secure it one day, but then the crims will find a way around that too. (bit like Windoze in that regard)

Just bite the bullet and move over to Linux. There are literally hundreds of "distros" out there, so you'll find one just right for you, they're free, secure, robust, virus free and easy to install/use. There are around 50,000 applications available - for free of course. You can keep your private stuff at home and you can use the "cloud" for other stuff. Btw, approx 80% of all internet servers globally are running Linux.

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
21 May 2011 11:27AM
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FormulaNova said...



No, Chrome is not the default browser...



So if you start looking at seabreeze, what user agent gets reported to the server? What rendering engine gets used to parse the HTML? I bet it's something other than "Internet Explorer".

My point is that regardless of the semantics you choose to use, sites that I design are likely to work properly on the default install of a cheap netbook.

Which is good

bjw
QLD, 3610 posts
21 May 2011 5:16PM
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dinsdale said...

FormulaNova said...
No, Chrome is not the default browser, it is the OS. You won't have an option, and I wonder if you can install apps, or whether it will all run remotely.

Without the connection to the internet, I wonder what it lets you do.


Chrome OS is a glorified version of their browser. Chrome OS is exclusively for "Cloud Computing" - ie everything is on the net, hence you do all your stuff in a browser window, out there somewhere. So what you see as your desktop is in fact a full screen browser window. There are a few other little changes. It's fine if your identity isn't worth keeping, but if you want all your private stuff to remain private, don't go near! They might be able to secure it one day, but then the crims will find a way around that too. (bit like Windoze in that regard)

Just bite the bullet and move over to Linux. There are literally hundreds of "distros" out there, so you'll find one just right for you, they're free, secure, robust, virus free and easy to install/use. There are around 50,000 applications available - for free of course. You can keep your private stuff at home and you can use the "cloud" for other stuff. Btw, approx 80% of all internet servers globally are running Linux.





Spot on mate. I've been using Ubuntu for years, all free. It's quicker and better than windows, yet none of that clouding rubbish.

Why does nobody else seem to use it except IT geeks. No offence to any IT geeks.

Squid Lips
WA, 708 posts
21 May 2011 4:25PM
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I've got Ubuntu on my desktop and I'm barely computer literate compared to an IT geek. There are no Microsoft products in our house

bjw
QLD, 3610 posts
21 May 2011 6:55PM
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Squid Lips said...

I've got Ubuntu on my desktop and I'm barely computer literate compared to an IT geek. There are no Microsoft products in our house


Living the dream!

Apple, google, microsoft, all evil empires!
Oops, I forgot seabreeze

CJW
NSW, 1717 posts
21 May 2011 7:07PM
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I understand all the Microsoft hating but honestly Windows7 is the best, most stable operating system I have ever used. It's setup such that even a half wit can plug in almost any peripheral device in and it will work or help you to make it work, this is far from the case with ANY current distro of linux. Sure M$ have had a bit of a checkered history (vista lol) but you can't deny that XPSP3 and Win7 are damn good.

Linux is all fine and dandy and for specific things it is no doubt superior but at this stage there is no distro that comes close to being the plug and play, any idiot can use it style of operating system that Win7 and Safari are.

If you're a bit of a technofile and just want a box to run a media server and download a few tv shows, linux is your OS, but if you're serious about gaming or a majority of the worlds software you need a Windows machine; end of story.

FormulaNova
WA, 14529 posts
21 May 2011 6:01PM
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bjw said...

Spot on mate. I've been using Ubuntu for years, all free. It's quicker and better than windows, yet none of that clouding rubbish.

Why does nobody else seem to use it except IT geeks. No offence to any IT geeks.



Ubuntu only seems to have come of age lately. Well at least that's my take on it.

I've been using it as 'Mythbuntu' for the last year or so, and it is surprisingly effective, and for most things I have no need to use windows. It also makes a very useful way to set up a work laptop to dual-boot and use it for other stuff, including recording TV programs.

I swear my older laptop got slower and slower as Microsoft released 'updates'. Yet under Ubuntu it runs fine. I expect the same will happen with my current laptop, but at least Ubuntu will run fine for a lot longer.

FormulaNova
WA, 14529 posts
21 May 2011 6:06PM
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nebbian said...

FormulaNova said...



No, Chrome is not the default browser...



So if you start looking at seabreeze, what user agent gets reported to the server? What rendering engine gets used to parse the HTML? I bet it's something other than "Internet Explorer".

My point is that regardless of the semantics you choose to use, sites that I design are likely to work properly on the default install of a cheap netbook.

Which is good


Yeah agreed. I was just pointing out, or at least trying to, that with these netbooks, they are using Chrome as the OS, not just as a browser.

It is not the 'default browser'. It is the only browser by virtue of it being the OS itself (well at least that's my guess).

I should do some research, but I really wonder if it is usable at all without the internet connection that you normally need with a browser. Surely there must be some local applications of some sort... ?

FormulaNova
WA, 14529 posts
21 May 2011 6:14PM
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CJW said...

I understand all the Microsoft hating but honestly Windows7 is the best, most stable operating system I have ever used. It's setup such that even a half wit can plug in almost any peripheral device in and it will work or help you to make it work, this is far from the case with ANY current distro of linux. Sure M$ have had a bit of a checkered history (vista lol) but you can't deny that XPSP3 and Win7 are damn good.

Linux is all fine and dandy and for specific things it is no doubt superior but at this stage there is no distro that comes close to being the plug and play, any idiot can use it style of operating system that Win7 and Safari are.

If you're a bit of a technofile and just want a box to run a media server and download a few tv shows, linux is your OS, but if you're serious about gaming or a majority of the worlds software you need a Windows machine; end of story.


Ubuntu, is getting close to being a complete replacement for 'Windows'. I don't use other distros, but I expect there are others at a similar point.

It is surprising in that drivers have been written for almost anything you can throw at it. I have a USB to SCSI adapter that needed a dodgy-looking driver for windows, and surprisingly a 'normal' install of Ubuntu picked it up, said nothing about it, went on to recognize the scanner attached to the same adapter, mounted that, and suddenly I could scan things - all without having to download anything from the internet and no questions about drivers. I was impressed.

Of course, there are still areas where you need to understand how something works and drop down to configuring things manually, but people seem to releasing updates to fix these things.

I built a machine using Ubuntu for my mother to use, and my 8 year old nephew worked out how to use it and showed my mother. That's a lot better than it used to be, and being Linux it is less likely to get viruses.

FormulaNova
WA, 14529 posts
21 May 2011 6:21PM
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While I am going nuts on posting, I have to mention that I bought a cheap eMachine netbook a few months ago for about $250. It came with windows7, and I also installed Ubuntu as well.

With an external keyboard, and screen, its hard to understand why you would need any other PC, although I have to admit its not grunty and would be useless for games. As far as power usage and meeting the requirements of being used as a browser, its excellent value for money. The other advantages are that its compact and at such a low cost, not so much of a problem if it gets lost.


cisco
QLD, 12323 posts
22 May 2011 1:02AM
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CJW said...
If you're a bit of a technofile and just want a box to run a media server and download a few tv shows, linux is your OS, but if you're serious about gaming or a majority of the worlds software you need a Windows machine; end of story.


I see what you are saying but Microsoft does not.

Re gaming:- When CPU speeds beyond 1Ghz and graphic card RAM over 500Mb, and huge amounts of HDD space became the requirements for the PC games the kids wanted to play, which introduced instability to my PC, I declared.

You want to play those games?? You do it on Play Station or X-Box and stop buggering up my communication device (ie PC, the new telephone, the new audio visual entertainment device, the new information gatherer and the new office.

Microsoft charge $12/month/user for access to their game server for X-Box Live users. They have to be making squillions out of that.

Most would agree that Windows XP (SP3) or Windows 7 is about as good as an OS can get and with Mac and various Linux OS's chipping away at their market share, you have to ask the question, why would they throw most of their resources at OS development which just gets more weighty and complicated by the minute.

Young people do not seem to care about their privacy these days, as exampled by what happens on Face Book etc.

All that matters is ultimate access to social networks via the internet, so the Google Chrome OS is just a satisfaction of market demand for a lightweight (free) way of doing what most people want to do which is communicate via the internet.

The internet killed the fax machine and is turning the telephone into the internet machine.

waxer
SA, 247 posts
22 May 2011 9:35AM
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No computer geek but I use Linux Mint 9,similar or actually based on Ubuntu I think ,but a little more easy to use.Only a few minor issues ,but fast,free,and like most Linux has a good support network.

Test pilot 1
WA, 1430 posts
23 May 2011 4:11AM
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I tried installing "chrome" on my laptop
, following all instruction precisly snd my laptop froze.
Took me over 6 hours to get it to where I could go to a created restart point.
I'll wait until I need a new 'puter before I go down that path again!@#$@%

bjw
QLD, 3610 posts
23 May 2011 9:11AM
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Simple fix. Google Firefox.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
23 May 2011 9:49AM
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bjw said...

Simple fix. Google Firefox.


Firefox? That was a great book

TrevNewman
VIC, 237 posts
23 May 2011 2:26PM
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download the Chrome browser, fire it up, maximize the window and don't do anything that can't be done through the browser (i.e don't run any app, access the HDD etc..) and congratulations you have a Chrome netbook.

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
23 May 2011 12:53PM
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TrevNewman said...

download the Chrome browser, fire it up, maximize the window and don't do anything that can't be done through the browser (i.e don't run any app, access the HDD etc..) and congratulations you have a Chrome netbook.

100% Go straight to the top of the class.

FormulaNova
WA, 14529 posts
23 May 2011 3:25PM
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TrevNewman said...

download the Chrome browser, fire it up, maximize the window and don't do anything that can't be done through the browser (i.e don't run any app, access the HDD etc..) and congratulations you have a Chrome netbook.


I don't know if it is exactly the same. Most browsers store things locally, and that's where there is a chance of a virus infection. With Chrome as an OS I imagine it stores everything remotely and hopefully is much more resistant to viruses.

I also expect that they open up access to web-based utilities that a regular browser can't access, but then again, I am just guessing based on what has been suggested.

The one thing I did get out of the video that was posted, it seems Chrome OS will boot very quick, which is a great thing. Then again, I hibernate my machines almost all the time in order to get the same effect.

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
23 May 2011 6:12PM
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Test pilot 1 said...

I tried installing "chrome" on my laptop
, following all instruction precisly snd my laptop froze.
Took me over 6 hours to get it to where I could go to a created restart point.
I'll wait until I need a new 'puter before I go down that path again!@#$@%


I installed a version of it last year. Google: Install Chromium.

Did what it said it would do. Basically all of your google apps are there. If you don't do much more than browse the web it's probably all you need. The iPad has proven a lot of people don't need much.

If you are offline can store your files locally.

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
27 May 2011 11:33AM
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FormulaNova said...
I don't know if it is exactly the same. Most browsers store things locally, and that's where there is a chance of a virus infection. With Chrome as an OS I imagine it stores everything remotely and hopefully is much more resistant to viruses.

I also expect that they open up access to web-based utilities that a regular browser can't access, but then again, I am just guessing based on what has been suggested.

The one thing I did get out of the video that was posted, it seems Chrome OS will boot very quick, which is a great thing. Then again, I hibernate my machines almost all the time in order to get the same effect.

If you're going to be working exclusively in the "cloud" I assure you that viruses will pale into utter insignificance compared to the dangers you'll face with ALL your data/info "out there" somewhere. Also, Google's reputation re personal data collection is less than stellar. Chrome does store it's basic boot definitions locally I believe, but I'm not sure where exactly (CMOS, hard drive,USB drive/stick etc). There are some industry moves now towards "always on" computers which have no permanent storage but keep everything "suspended" in RAM.

If it's viruses you wish to avoid, get Linux. No viruses at all! All of Google's web-based utilities are available from your browser now. Besides, why would you want to use them? They're very limited and slow compared to local apps. There are a few Linux distros which have a boot time <1 sec - fast enough? I do admit that they're mostly embedded . Mandriva (a mainstream Linux distro) however has an instant boot version, but I've not tried it.

I have no doubts at all that this will eventually come, and it'll probably be OK - eventually. But jumping into it now, whilst it's still basically experimental is fraught with dangers. There was old saying which ended with something like "... where angels fear to tread". Give 5 or 6 years to mature a little I reckon.


dirtyharry
WA, 444 posts
27 May 2011 11:52AM
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A bit OT but can one of you computer-savvy blokes explain something for me.

I think I understand what Linux is. And one of the main benefits of Linux over Windows that everyone seems to harp on about is the absence of viruses. So why does Linux not have viruses? Is it because there's some fundamental difference in the way it works compared to Windows that makes viruses not work? Or is it just because such a small proportion of users are on Linux that it's not worth virus makers making viruses for it?

If it's the latter, why does everyone who uses Linux keep trying to convert everyone else over to it? Won't that just ruin it by attracting the virus makers? Wouldn't you be better of shutting up about it? A bit like kite/wind surfers not trying to get everyone else into the sport because it'll stuff it up for those already into it by overcrowding everywhere?

So many questions!!

I hate Qantas.

subasurf
WA, 2153 posts
27 May 2011 12:02PM
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Bah, I havent been using Windows for the most part for years.
Linux all the way baybay.

mattyjee
WA, 575 posts
27 May 2011 3:35PM
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I have to work with unix at work, and as much as i hate it, lots of people still say its fantastic so I did a bit of research, read good things and then tried ubuntu on my home PC. What a load of ****. Had no end of dramas, ubuntu was crap useless crap, i went to uninstall it and broke my windows partition - PC unbootable. Had to download a windows recovery disk and fix stuff up - all in all a bad experience, I will never try linux again.

I did another search for ubuntu on google - but this time homing in on all the bad reviews... this one sums it up nicely:

"Imagine that Linux and Ubuntu and all those variations of that crappy OS are
FREE for the taking. You would think that everyone would rush to install
Ubuntu and ditch Windows. Tell you what. It isn't happening.

The reason is that people are all gung-ho on the concept of free software
and open source. Once they realize that it's ****, they quickly remove that
crappy software from their PC's and go back to a real solution. Microsoft
Windows.

Remeber Ubuntu is FREE and Linux is FREE and still NOBODY wants it. That
should tell you all you need to know about that piece of **** software."



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