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How to submit resume.

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Created by BPSurf > 9 months ago, 2 Mar 2012
BPSurf
WA, 26 posts
2 Mar 2012 10:14PM
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Since everything is now digital is it still ok to walk into a company and personally give them your resumes?

GPA
WA, 2520 posts
2 Mar 2012 11:49PM
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Why not - you got nothing to loose...

Ask for the HR dept to pass it on to the manager of the area/dept you are interested in working for. If they say they are not hiring at the moment, then ask for them to keep it on file. Also a good idea to ask how they normally advertise their vacancies...

You never know... I hired a bloke this way and it was a good fit for both him and the company...

And these days a hand delivered resume makes you stand out from those submitted via Email (which are easy to ignore/delete).

Krispy54
NSW, 73 posts
3 Mar 2012 8:11AM
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Best idea you could have. Even when I wasn't hiring I would really consider someone that walked in cold off the street and would always make time to speak to them.
Shows commitment which is a rare thing in an employee today.

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
3 Mar 2012 8:08AM
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Great idea, shows good initiative.

Another idea is to do a week's unpaid "work experience" there, which can show the employer exactly how good you are.

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
3 Mar 2012 12:35PM
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You'll get someone to talk to in the service industry and small companies.
Those you get to meet may or may not be useful.

Won't work for tech, corp jobs, telco, etc.

Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
3 Mar 2012 1:06PM
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nebbian said...

Great idea, shows good initiative.

Another idea is to do a week's unpaid "work experience" there, which can show the employer exactly how good you are.


Unpaid "work experience" in my experience is a thing of the past, with the current OH&S laws and insurance / work cover etc, the last thing an employer wants is legal problems its often much easier to just say no.
Some of the jobs I've been involved with recently use "interns" from educational colleges as they are already covered (by the education facility) for injury / insurance, also these people also have a "passion" for the work.

jimbo76
WA, 46 posts
3 Mar 2012 3:54PM
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gotta agree with Gizmo, under no circumstances would we accept anyone willing to do work experience - legally in order to claim workers comp, you need to be employed & recieving wages from the company you 'work' for; if a work experience person sustained an injury in our work place the lawyers would have a field day. Of course as always their are exceptions to the rule - one of the training providers I use includes training at (well leave this nameless) but one of the biggest expenses with this particular course is indemnity(sp?) insurance (course is 11K+) which from what I've been told is roughly 45% of course cost, & thats for only two weeks on the job training.

FlySurfer
NSW, 4453 posts
3 Mar 2012 8:24PM
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brianwake said...

Since everything is now digital is it still ok to walk into a company and personally give them your resumes?


Wait a second, what kind of company and job??? You walk in to my company and hand me a printed CV I'm using it as a plate for my croissant.

BPSurf
WA, 26 posts
3 Mar 2012 6:28PM
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From what you guys are saying I wil drop it in personally.
I am a Electrician trying to get into the offshore industry, Which is near impossible without offshore experience

DUDE
NSW, 1132 posts
4 Mar 2012 1:04AM
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dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
4 Mar 2012 12:15AM
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nebbian said...
Another idea is to do a week's unpaid "work experience" there, which can show the employer exactly how good you are.

That's exactly how I got my start driving road trains. Whilst cold canvassing I suggested I do 2 weeks, unpaid with one of their trusted drivers. Was hired on the 15th day.

Krispy54
NSW, 73 posts
4 Mar 2012 9:33AM
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brianwake said...

From what you guys are saying I wil drop it in personally.
I am a Electrician trying to get into the offshore industry, Which is near impossible without offshore experience


Good on you. Be dressed neatly, but not over the top. And I know this may sound weird, but make sure your car is presentable as well.
I used to put on a lot of tradesman ( sheetys and boilermakers) from drop ins. I would always look more at how they held themselves, presented and responded to my questions (looking for confidence) and when they left I would always look at the state of what they were driving. If they looked neat and cared for their vehicle, chances were they took pride in their work and would look after my equipment as well. Never hired a dud by following this method.

Good luck and I hope all goes well for you.

Subsonic
WA, 3151 posts
4 Mar 2012 11:49AM
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FlySurfer said...

brianwake said...

Since everything is now digital is it still ok to walk into a company and personally give them your resumes?


Wait a second, what kind of company and job??? You walk in to my company and hand me a printed CV I'm using it as a plate for my croissant.


I was a bit p%ssed at that comment at first Fly, but then it got me thinking....

If it's a small company I reckon its well worth the effort, I know it'd go a long way towards getting a probationary job with my boss, because you've shown you're keen, he'll go back to your resume if he's ever hiring. Its a small company though, and you'd get to speak directly to the boss.

If it's any bigger a company though and you're handing the resume to the receptionist who'll "put it in the file for you" its probably not worth the effort. It may even get overlooked if they ever are hiring since its not part of the email system.

If a potential boss took my hand delivered resume and proceeded to use it as a plate for his croissant, I'd rip his/her "plate" back off him/her and probably steal his/her croissant for good measure. (all that wasted effort will have made me hungry)[}:)][}:)][}:)]

saltiest1
NSW, 2497 posts
4 Mar 2012 8:06PM
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resumes - ive never read a bad one.

think about it.

GPA
WA, 2520 posts
4 Mar 2012 6:32PM
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^^^
Really I've read some shockers - poor spelling and formatting all over the place.

If they spell my name wrong - start Dear Sir / Madam, or get the company name wrong they go straight in the bin (no attention to detail).

saltiest1
NSW, 2497 posts
4 Mar 2012 10:54PM
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i mean, they are full of ****.

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
4 Mar 2012 10:15PM
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GPA said...

^^^
Really I've read some shockers - poor spelling and formatting all over the place.
... go straight in the bin (no attention to detail).


I guess loose vs lose would dodge the bin?

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
5 Mar 2012 2:47PM
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at one place I worked we would keep an eye on who was walking up the street with folders ..we hired all our offsiders from walk-ins.
. i would read the resumes,which would tell you alot about the person looking, then look at the way they dressed, condition of their boots(much like the car thing,
we had a couple of duds, but many turned out very reliable.
the dodgy employees were usually the guys who got a job because they knew somebody who already worked there.
with my own business,i insist on handwritten applications, and a resume.
and insist on seeing the WA drivers licence that was specified in the advertisement.
when they ring up I insist on seeing it at the start of the interview.
If they look like they need drug testing ,or a smoker, then they dont get far

FlySurfer
NSW, 4453 posts
5 Mar 2012 6:03PM
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Subsonic said...

FlySurfer said...

brianwake said...

Since everything is now digital is it still ok to walk into a company and personally give them your resumes?


Wait a second, what kind of company and job??? You walk in to my company and hand me a printed CV I'm using it as a plate for my croissant.


I was a bit p%ssed at that comment at first Fly, but then it got me thinking....

If it's a small company I reckon its well worth the effort, I know it'd go a long way towards getting a probationary job with my boss, because you've shown you're keen, he'll go back to your resume if he's ever hiring. Its a small company though, and you'd get to speak directly to the boss.

If it's any bigger a company though and you're handing the resume to the receptionist who'll "put it in the file for you" its probably not worth the effort. It may even get overlooked if they ever are hiring since its not part of the email system.

If a potential boss took my hand delivered resume and proceeded to use it as a plate for his croissant, I'd rip his/her "plate" back off him/her and probably steal his/her croissant for good measure. (all that wasted effort will have made me hungry)[}:)][}:)][}:)]


We have workflow around CV's > HR <> Legal <> Managers <> Div Heads... If somebody handed me a printed CV, I would need to scan/OCR then add the metadata then save it to the right place (url only accessible from outside our network)... you get my drift.
I believe in the paperless office, and home... and yes, I use printed out meeting minutes as plates [}:)]

Old school places, sure print the CV and it to the MD, show some drive.

Stitch
WA, 83 posts
5 Mar 2012 4:17PM
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FlySurfer said...

Subsonic said...

FlySurfer said...

brianwake said...

Since everything is now digital is it still ok to walk into a company and personally give them your resumes?


Wait a second, what kind of company and job??? You walk in to my company and hand me a printed CV I'm using it as a plate for my croissant.


I was a bit p%ssed at that comment at first Fly, but then it got me thinking....

If it's a small company I reckon its well worth the effort, I know it'd go a long way towards getting a probationary job with my boss, because you've shown you're keen, he'll go back to your resume if he's ever hiring. Its a small company though, and you'd get to speak directly to the boss.

If it's any bigger a company though and you're handing the resume to the receptionist who'll "put it in the file for you" its probably not worth the effort. It may even get overlooked if they ever are hiring since its not part of the email system.

If a potential boss took my hand delivered resume and proceeded to use it as a plate for his croissant, I'd rip his/her "plate" back off him/her and probably steal his/her croissant for good measure. (all that wasted effort will have made me hungry)[}:)][}:)][}:)]


We have workflow around CV's > HR <> Legal <> Managers <> Div Heads... If somebody handed me a printed CV, I would need to scan/OCR then add the metadata then save it to the right place (url only accessible from outside our network)... you get my drift.
I believe in the paperless office, and home... and yes, I use printed out meeting minutes as plates [}:)]

Old school places, sure print the CV and it to the MD, show some drive.


Of course, if the printed CV looked good, you could always just ask them to forward you an electronic copy... could save you some time and effort...

Reminds me of a story...
Bloke applies for a job. HR bumps CV - he doesn't even get an interview. One year later bloke meets manager in that company. They get talking - manager asks if bloke would consider working for them, because they have been looking for someone with his exact skill set for a year.... Guess what happened to HR person who bumped CV???
Some people will behave like asses, because they think they have power. Sad really.

FlySurfer
NSW, 4453 posts
5 Mar 2012 8:30PM
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Stitch said...
Of course, if the printed CV looked good, you could always just ask them to forward you an electronic copy... could save you some time and effort...

Reminds me of a story...
Bloke applies for a job. HR bumps CV - he doesn't even get an interview. One year later bloke meets manager in that company. They get talking - manager asks if bloke would consider working for them, because they have been looking for someone with his exact skill set for a year.... Guess what happened to HR person who bumped CV???
Some people will behave like asses, because they think they have power. Sad really.



No... he's already failed.
1.- Wasted paper and ink for no reason
2.- Made me ask for an electronic copy

I want smart workers, not hard workers.
In an industry that values hard work, go for it print your CV.

If the guy wants to impress me, get my email, send me a tracked link to your CV.
Last year a potential intern posted on my blog... it was more a hello than a give me a job.

Stitch
WA, 83 posts
5 Mar 2012 9:01PM
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FlySurfer said...

Stitch said...
Of course, if the printed CV looked good, you could always just ask them to forward you an electronic copy... could save you some time and effort...

Reminds me of a story...
Bloke applies for a job. HR bumps CV - he doesn't even get an interview. One year later bloke meets manager in that company. They get talking - manager asks if bloke would consider working for them, because they have been looking for someone with his exact skill set for a year.... Guess what happened to HR person who bumped CV???
Some people will behave like asses, because they think they have power. Sad really.



No... he's already failed.
1.- Wasted paper and ink for no reason
2.- Made me ask for an electronic copy

I want smart workers, not hard workers.
In an industry that values hard work, go for it print your CV.

If the guy wants to impress me, get my email, send me a tracked link to your CV.
Last year a potential intern posted on my blog... it was more a hello than a give me a job.


If its your job to review CV's and you bump someone for such petty reasoning, either you are not doing your job properly or you are too lazy to do it properly. Either way, if you were part of my team, you would get disciplinary action against you. Good employees are hard enough to come by, but bumping because you don't like the fact they printed their CV, rather than looking at their ability to do the job is beyond ridiculous.

Subsonic
WA, 3151 posts
5 Mar 2012 10:54PM
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Stitch said...

FlySurfer said...

Stitch said...
Of course, if the printed CV looked good, you could always just ask them to forward you an electronic copy... could save you some time and effort...

Reminds me of a story...
Bloke applies for a job. HR bumps CV - he doesn't even get an interview. One year later bloke meets manager in that company. They get talking - manager asks if bloke would consider working for them, because they have been looking for someone with his exact skill set for a year.... Guess what happened to HR person who bumped CV???
Some people will behave like asses, because they think they have power. Sad really.



No... he's already failed.
1.- Wasted paper and ink for no reason
2.- Made me ask for an electronic copy

I want smart workers, not hard workers.
In an industry that values hard work, go for it print your CV.

If the guy wants to impress me, get my email, send me a tracked link to your CV.
Last year a potential intern posted on my blog... it was more a hello than a give me a job.


If its your job to review CV's and you bump someone for such petty reasoning, either you are not doing your job properly or you are too lazy to do it properly. Either way, if you were part of my team, you would get disciplinary action against you. Good employees are hard enough to come by, but bumping because you don't like the fact they printed their CV, rather than looking at their ability to do the job is beyond ridiculous.



Maybe the prospective employee who walks in with his/her CV is the smarter player? He/she tried to give you a face and voice to go with the resume, and a chance to talk and case each other out before things go too much further, rather than send you a faceless email and some strategic prompting by dropping you an electronic "hi" every now and again.

If an electronic copy is a necessity get them to forward you one afterwards, but I reckon a quick talk to someone standing right there will tell you a lot more about their interest in the job than an email.

BabaORiley
WA, 434 posts
6 Mar 2012 2:31AM
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HR our meant to be workin for both parties in a work force. The so called voice of reasoning, the middle man.

Haven't been in a company that there HR is like as above. They think thay are the top of the wozza.

Back to the subject, go to the top, if you really like the position your going for found out as much as you can about the place eg: pay, number of employees,
job security, can you go further in the company(dont make it look like ya stepping on anyones toes though) and most important, the managers name. Try hand cv to him if you ca manage an appointment.

Dont be a c#cksucker, be yourself.
Grovelling yes men **** people off and dont last long in our company.

wodgina6722
WA, 229 posts
6 Mar 2012 3:57AM
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I bit scary that a HR girl has pretty much a strangle hold on your future. Ya better put out.





wodgina6722
WA, 229 posts
6 Mar 2012 6:49AM
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the thought of handing out my CV at the moment makes me feel ill. I just finished up 18 months at a great dynamic emerging company!

Been a pretty nasty 18 months and glad to get out. I'm pretty jaded with the whole thing at the moment.

I'm not working for anyone ever again, even if I have to eat noodles.

chrispychru
QLD, 7932 posts
6 Mar 2012 9:08AM
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^^^^geez your lucky noodles grow on trees

wodgina6722
WA, 229 posts
6 Mar 2012 7:23AM
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Don't get it

FlySurfer
NSW, 4453 posts
6 Mar 2012 10:59AM
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Stitch said...
If its your job to review CV's and you bump someone for such petty reasoning, either you are not doing your job properly or you are too lazy to do it properly. Either way, if you were part of my team, you would get disciplinary action against you. Good employees are hard enough to come by, but bumping because you don't like the fact they printed their CV, rather than looking at their ability to do the job is beyond ridiculous.

Let's not get carried away... working with printed CV is already counting against their ability... the simple truth is nobody would hand in a printed CV to my company.
It would be like me going to a 2 man plumbing workshop and handing over a QR code... on the other hand, QR code on a card would be a completely acceptable way to present a CV in my company.

Skid
QLD, 1499 posts
6 Mar 2012 2:03PM
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Slighty off topic but related....
This thread reminds me of a joinery shop in SA that advertised for a carpenter.
When the carpenter arrived for an interview, the owner took him for a tour of the premises. During the tour, the owner handed the carpenter a hand full of large nails that he scooped randomly out of a box and told him to hold them for him. He did not mention why but just continiued the tour. At the end of the tour he asked for the nails back. As the carpenter handed the nails back, the owner told him he had the job.
The reason why.... while holding the nails, the carpenter had sorted them so they were all facing the same way (points all facing the same way instead of random 50/50). The owner explained he needed someone who would do things without having to be told every little detail.
Maybe not relevant for some industries but I kind of like the story anyway...

FlickySpinny
WA, 657 posts
6 Mar 2012 12:10PM
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If you're keen to get into a closed industry, then definitely hit the streets with printed CVs.

It's worked for me and my other half before.

Now I sit on the other side of the fence and get ten CVs a week via email.

The printed one that sits on my desk is much more difficult to ignore.

An absolutely essential thing though - Check, check and check it again, then get someone educated to proof-read it. You'd be astonished at how many CVs I get from graduates that are badly spelled or inconsistently laid-out. It automatically puts them to the bottom of the pile.

Go for it.



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