Some relief for rural areas and firefighters finally. Great forecast for the next four days. Yay!
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Some relief for rural areas and firefighters finally. Great forecast for the next four days. Yay!
www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR713.loop.shtml
I thought I had the wrong link for the Sydney rain radar there for a second, as you can hardly see anything under it!
Hey FormulaN,
Congratulations on passing 10,000 posts.
I understand it is an elite club. Does Laurie send you a free T shirt or induct you into the 'knowledge of the secret handshake' or something ?
^^^ holy guacamole should know... he might even have two t-shirts... pretty sure bono and adriano achieved that milestone individually with posts just in HW. I wonder what happened to those guys... such a shame
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Hey FormulaN,
Congratulations on passing 10,000 posts.
I understand it is an elite club. Does Laurie send you a free T shirt or induct you into the 'knowledge of the secret handshake' or something ?
No, even though it says over 10,000 , I filter out the replies where I was trying to tease flat earthers and 911 conspiracy nuts, and it brings it down to a more respectable 300 posts 
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..
Hey FormulaN,
Congratulations on passing 10,000 posts.
I understand it is an elite club. Does Laurie send you a free T shirt or induct you into the 'knowledge of the secret handshake' or something ?
He has already sent me my complimentary Elgrand in the post. Next 10000 and I get a trabant.
With rain pouring down everywhere and only a day after former Prime Minister Turnbull likened climate change deniers within the Liberal Party to terrorists, Turnbull is arguing for a Green New Deal to shift the economy off fossil fuels.
Again he argued "These bushfires are utterly without precedent in our history."
He said, "The effect on Australia image abroad has been profound."
Talk about hysteria, fanned by a former Prime Minister.
And another attack on Scott Morrison.
Of course, in 2018, as Prime Minister and after the Tathra bushfires, Mr Turnbull argued that none of those could be blamed on climate change.
Now, Turnbull has accused the right wing media, whoever they are, of "basically operating like terrorists."
And he kept on about cheap renewables.
And can you believe it, virtually backed a similar call by the bloke, Adam Bandt, the new Greens leader who called our Prime Minister a criminal.
Turnbull argues that we owe it to ourselves and to the rest of the world.
In my view the hatred and envy that have derived from the Liberal Party getting rid of him are, obviously, in Turnbull, overwhelming.
But as I said, with the rain pouring down, it might be appropriate to remember the utterances of Tim Flannery.
Utterances, which made him the Australian of the Year in 2007.
In 2005 Mr Flannery said that Sydney's dams would be dry in as little as two years because global warming was drying up the rains.
In 2006, Flannery predicted cities such as Brisbane would never again have dam filling rains as global warming had caused "a 20% decrease in rainfall in some areas" and made the soil too hot "so even the rain that falls isn't going to fill our dams and river systems."
He Flannery predicted that global warming would so dry our continent that desalination plants were needed to save three of our biggest cities from disaster.
In 2008 he said:
"The water problem is so severe for Adelaide that it may run out of water by early 2009."
And all these utterances were accepted with biblical certainty and he was named Australian of the Year.
At what point do we say that all of these global warming alarmists have no credibility whatsoever?
But it has become a religion.
TA should take up climbing mountains for fun. He would soon find out that you go up for a bit, then down a bit, then up a bit more. The first downgrade is not at the top of the hill.
Select to expand quoteTonyAbbott said..
With rain pouring down everywhere and only a day after former Prime Minister Turnbull likened climate change deniers within the Liberal Party to terrorists, Turnbull is arguing for a Green New Deal to shift the economy off fossil fuels.
Again he argued "These bushfires are utterly without precedent in our history."
He said, "The effect on Australia image abroad has been profound."
Talk about hysteria, fanned by a former Prime Minister.
And another attack on Scott Morrison.
Of course, in 2018, as Prime Minister and after the Tathra bushfires, Mr Turnbull argued that none of those could be blamed on climate change.
Now, Turnbull has accused the right wing media, whoever they are, of "basically operating like terrorists."
And he kept on about cheap renewables.
And can you believe it, virtually backed a similar call by the bloke, Adam Bandt, the new Greens leader who called our Prime Minister a criminal.
Turnbull argues that we owe it to ourselves and to the rest of the world.
In my view the hatred and envy that have derived from the Liberal Party getting rid of him are, obviously, in Turnbull, overwhelming.
But as I said, with the rain pouring down, it might be appropriate to remember the utterances of Tim Flannery.
Utterances, which made him the Australian of the Year in 2007.
In 2005 Mr Flannery said that Sydney's dams would be dry in as little as two years because global warming was drying up the rains.
In 2006, Flannery predicted cities such as Brisbane would never again have dam filling rains as global warming had caused "a 20% decrease in rainfall in some areas" and made the soil too hot "so even the rain that falls isn't going to fill our dams and river systems."
He Flannery predicted that global warming would so dry our continent that desalination plants were needed to save three of our biggest cities from disaster.
In 2008 he said:
"The water problem is so severe for Adelaide that it may run out of water by early 2009."
And all these utterances were accepted with biblical certainty and he was named Australian of the Year.
At what point do we say that all of these global warming alarmists have no credibility whatsoever?
But it has become a religion.
Sounds like more lies, perhaps. Even "alarmist" sites say that Flannery said the dams "could" be dry within two years, not "would" be dry. It's completely dishonest to mix "could" with "would" - they are different words with different meanings and only a liar would ignore that.
Soooo.... let's accept (despite the lies from denialists in other areas) that Flannery said that global warming was drying up the rains and Sydney's dams would be dry in 2007*. Then let's look at what happened, on the Water NSW website;
"In February 2007, Sydney's total water supply fell to an historic low of 33.9%. Warragamba's storage capacity was at its lowest 32.5%."
So, while the dams were not dry, they were at their lowest ever level - and dams in other towns have run dry. People in towns in NSW are drinking from bottled water. A few months ago, the dam in my city was far lower than anyone ever thought it could be - and that info came to me from the guy who runs our drinking water supply. Have you ever considered what would happen if the dams ran out? It's funny how so many supporters of a coalition of Libs and Nats manage to ignore the fact that dams are at record lows inland, and that towns are running out of water. It's a funny sort of coalition that ignores the country.
Anyway, in 2007, there was a decision to build the Sydney desalination plant - something that Libs claimed to be a waste of money. And then in January 2020, the Libs decided that the plant they had claimed to be a waste of money was actually too small and had to be doubled in capacity. This is the same Liberal government that said Sydney was in "the worst drought on record" and changed rules on water transfers because "water storages are depleting faster than was previously forecast".
So you're insulting Flannery for what he allegedly said; insulting the left for creating a desal plant that the right now wants to double in size; and ignoring the fact that the Libs have admitted that the drought is the worst on record and that water storages are falling faster than forecast. And you are saying that the "alarmists" are getting it wrong? Really?
* note, he actually said dams "and river systems". TA has not shown that either our dams or our river systems, in general, have filled since then. Flannery also talking about the future, which has not yet arrived. It also seems that Flannery did NOT say that Sydney's dams would run dry in two years, but that in a worst-case scenario, Sydney would be have problems.
I've got no problems with the honest, responsible right wingers I know - economically, the right wing would be good for me. But the dishonest, anti-meritocratic right wing who despise education and knowledge are a different thing.
Oh, and TA, the rain is NOT "pouring down everywhere". It's falling on the coastal fringe and some other areas. I know that honesty and truth isn't something you care about, but you may as well be reminded that Australia is a big place and it's not all situated on part of the SE coast.
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..
Hey FormulaN,
Congratulations on passing 10,000 posts.
I understand it is an elite club. Does Laurie send you a free T shirt or induct you into the 'knowledge of the secret handshake' or something ?
Bloody hell, I'd better stop researching my posts and throw in 8000 one liners to get a t shirt.
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..Carantoc said..
Hey FormulaN,
Congratulations on passing 10,000 posts.
I understand it is an elite club. Does Laurie send you a free T shirt or induct you into the 'knowledge of the secret handshake' or something ?
Bloody hell, I'd better stop researching my posts and throw in 8000 one liners to get a t shirt.
Two things:
Some people have gotten over 10,000 posts with responses like 'really?' or even less in most of them, so I thought I was going above and beyond in actually composing sentences.
and
Researching your posts? Are you crazy? No one else seems to do it (much). For what its worth I think I am usually the one clicking on the green thumbs, so at least your research is not going to waste.
The idea of a t-shirt is a myth, but they do give out a t-shirt to the conspiracy theorists. All they have to do is send in their address for it to be mailed to them and then the rest is taken care of.... come to think of it, there seem to be less and less of them posting on here.... 
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..
Anyway, in 2007, there was a decision to build the Sydney desalination plant - something that Libs claimed to be a waste of money. And then in January 2020, the Libs decided that the plant they had claimed to be a waste of money was actually too small and had to be doubled in capacity. This is the same Liberal government that said Sydney was in "the worst drought on record" and changed rules on water transfers because "water storages are depleting faster than was previously forecast".
I have to quote that, as to me it was an important note. The need for a desal plant was pretty obvious at the time, and it was just bad political luck that it started raining after it was completed. I wouldn't have bet my house on it, that's for sure.
...and yes, the Liberal party were going to town on it for being a waste of money, and now, yes, we need to increase the capacity. I wonder, have they been saying 'the Labor party are terrible, they should have made it twice as big', or are they just quietly increasing it?
Thank goodness for the rain, the solar panels have worked and we have successfully stopped climate change, brought the rain and stopped the oceans from rising any further, just like a fairytale ending in a movie
Select to expand quoteLittle Jon said..
Thank goodness for the rain, the solar panels have worked and we have successfully stopped climate change, brought the rain and stopped the oceans from rising any further, just like a fairytale ending in a movie
Still confusing weather with climate I see...thank goodness we have experts in the field who don't.
This is supposed to be about good news, not further quibbling about obvious things like the difference between climate and weather events.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
The need for a desal plant was pretty obvious at the time,
Desal plant doesn't need to be expensive to setup and run.I wonder how design can be scaled up in our Australian conditions.
techxplore.com/news/2020-02-simple-solar-powered-desalination.html?fbclid=IwAR16BbA_xjCjnpaMevscsZhdfiwVoZIWmnWT4qqx-FGMoh5xcoUhPYDXQqs
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Rain is great.
Plains around Toowoomba soaked already,
Then what? There are absolutely no plans to catch the water, storage for dry season.
Few seasonal lakes could extend a bit wet seson, improve ground water levels.But apparently not. Water is drained and channeled back to the sea.
Pity the rain isn't washing the bushfire soot off my solar panels. Just off to Bunnings to buy a ladder to get up on the roof with a mop.
Select to expand quotePugwash said..
It's not really raining coz there's no rain until April... or even May...
Lucky break for the east coast. But it would have taken a big climate swing to turn Sydney into Perth. They would have toughened up.
www.watercorporation.com.au/water-supply/rainfall-and-dams/rainfall
Select to expand quoteIan K said..Pugwash said..
It's not really raining coz there's no rain until April... or even May...
Lucky break for the east coast. But it would have taken a big climate swing to turn Sydney into Perth. They would have toughened up.
www.watercorporation.com.au/water-supply/rainfall-and-dams/rainfall
It was BOM that claimed no rain for 6 months... which, at the time, meant April or May.
Fortunately, BOM was wrong.
Meanwhile in Tasmania climate change impacts are being felt
www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-08/tasmania-east-coast-warming-four-times-global-average/11889628
Warming up in Antartica as well
www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-08/antarctica-records-temperature-of-18.3c-the-hottest-ever/11946092
^^ there's no doubts stuff is going on... they're observations... opposed to disheartening incorrect statements.
One thing that stands out... long range forecasting is difficult and not accurate... and the models which form the basis of such predictions are wrong.
Select to expand quotePugwash said..^^ there's no doubts stuff is going on... they're observations... opposed to disheartening incorrect statements.
What, like Ross Garnaut in 2008 warning the Australian government that by 2020 we'd see climate change contributing to worse bushfires?
Yeah, like those statements. 
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It was BOM that claimed no rain for 6 months... which, at the time, meant April or May.
Fortunately, BOM was wrong.
No, you're wrong, not the BoM. Their outlooks for last year can still be seen on the web, and they did NOT claim there would be no rain until April or May.
The 10 October outlook said "The drier outlook for southern and northeastern Australia continues into December with the remainder of the country having roughly equal chances of being wetter or drier than average."
17 October they said "the outlooks for drier than average conditions ease in the coming months" and gave NSW a 50% chance of having higher than average rain.
24 October they said "only parts of Queensland, SA and other small scattered areas likely to be drier". They said similar things in November. Through much of that time, their predictive maps showed about 50/50 chance of more than normal rain in SE Australia quite a bit through October and November, and more rain in other areas.
So don't pretend that the BoM got it wrong - they did not.
^^ Oh this place is full of pretenders.....
Some still don't understand the difference between weather and climate, but seem certain about something or other....
Sadly, I don't think he was even pretending - he was just being dishonest and abusive. Why on earth would a decent person slag off the BoM without even checking to see if their "facts" were true or not?
I'd like to find a decent denialist to discuss things with; Ian is interesting. Many of the rest of them are just dishonest, which is pretty damn sad. Why on earth would anyone lie about something as irrelevant as an internet discussion?
https://m.centraltelegraph.com.au/news/no-rain-until-may-dark-news-for-aussies/3899611/z
www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7778895/amp/Australian-forecasters-warn-no-significant-rainfall-six-months.html
www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/drought-minister-david-littleproud-scuppers-farmer-income-protection-plan/news-story/49ac0e58ec4b0f89b68a76ff3c1edcee
. www.pedestrian.tv/news/bom-says-drought-breaking-rain-could-be-four-months-away/
m.cqnews.com.au/news/no-rain-until-may-dark-news-for-aussies/3899611/
Harry. those papers don't mean the BoM got it wrong. For a start, they are just second-hand accounts; here's where the BoM's official outlooks can be found - www.bom.gov.au/climate/ahead/outlooks/archive.shtml
That's what I was quoting - and I can promise you, where I live we were watching and reading them closely because people are sort of attached to drinking water. The BoM got it pretty damn right.
But to give the papers and Marshall credit, they were referring to "drought breaking" rain, and what we have at the moment is NOT "drought breaking" in many places. As of this morning, for example, Burrendong Dam was 1.47% full; Chaffey 13.35%; Hume 17.6%; Malpas is only 2% above the level where two towns and some 30,000 people will run out of drinking water this year; Menindee is less than 1% in total; Keepit is 1.7%; Wyangala 8.6%.
The Bureau said that we were unlikely to get "drought breaking" rain until later this year, and unless you're going to ignore most of NSW and many other areas, you have to admit that they are right. The rain is great, but the drought in many areas is NOT over, just as the BoM said it would not be.
