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Created by superlizard > 9 months ago, 18 Oct 2012
superlizard
VIC, 702 posts
18 Oct 2012 8:52AM
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worrier
WA, 726 posts
18 Oct 2012 6:32AM
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Crazy rules man. Will take a lot of the fun out of just goin for a ride on a Sunday. Can't see how it would possibly work with the kids on the scooters though?
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echunda
VIC, 764 posts
18 Oct 2012 12:38PM
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I'm a daily Melbourne motorcyclist and some of those laws are silly.

I'm however all for madatory motorcycle protection. If not for the motorcyclist but for their passenger.

I'm dumbfuonded that riders don't wear protective gear and take another person's life in their hands and hand them an old helmet.

I ride 450km per week in either full leathers or leather pants and an Alpinestars textile jacket (still has CE armour and back protector). Rain hail or 40 degree days it's the same.

If you think kevlar jeans are good, Have an 80km/h stack in them and you soon find the protection they offer is crap. They are also very warm in summer and cold in winter. My leathers are ventilated and are quite comfy even in heat.

I'm not going to attend in case the fun police decide to do sound checks on non standard exhausts.

stamp
QLD, 2770 posts
18 Oct 2012 11:47AM
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you should see the gold coast motorway on any weekend- the number of riders in boardies, singlet and thongs is incredible. i always cringe when i see them (and i'm sure they laugh at me in my boots, jacket and pants).
scooter/vespa riders are the worst- they seem to think that bitumen gets softer as the engine capacity gets lower.

hey echunda- i didn't know that the draggin jeans don't hold up to the gravel. do you have a link or an article you can point me in the direction of? i always wear them if it's dry.

echunda
VIC, 764 posts
18 Oct 2012 2:09PM
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It's wasn't gravel.

Long story short I had to 'gently lay' (oh fark moment) the bike down and ended up sliding and tumbling at around 80 km/h. It's amazing how fast that is when your sliding down the road.

The kevlar jeans I was wearing were the most popular (don't want to name, but you know who I'm talking about) tore as well as the lack of armour in the knees and thigh area left me with the following:

- Burns from where the kevlar heated up
- Road rash from where it was only denim
- bruised kneecaps and quads from the lack of armour.

I didn' think at the time to take pics and threw the jeans in the bin.

I junked an almost new Arai (it did it's job) and suprisingly my Alpinestars textile jacket with armour and back brace held up well. I replaced the jacket with the same and bought a new 2 peice Alpinestar leather suit. I wear the pants and textile jacket, Oxtar GP boots, Alpinestar GP gloves and KBC carbon helmet (To be replaced as it's now 2 years old) Wear the lot daily.

And your right, I shake my head at suits on scooters, but stare at lovley ladies wearing short skirts on scooters, still the armani is't going to hold up to the grinding tarmac.

superlizard
VIC, 702 posts
18 Oct 2012 4:27PM
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echunda said...
I'm a daily Melbourne motorcyclist and some of those laws are silly.

I'm however all for madatory motorcycle protection. If not for the motorcyclist but for their passenger.

I'm dumbfuonded that riders don't wear protective gear and take another person's life in their hands and hand them an old helmet.

I ride 450km per week in either full leathers or leather pants and an Alpinestars textile jacket (still has CE armour and back protector). Rain hail or 40 degree days it's the same.

If you think kevlar jeans are good, Have an 80km/h stack in them and you soon find the protection they offer is crap. They are also very warm in summer and cold in winter. My leathers are ventilated and are quite comfy even in heat.

I'm not going to attend in case the fun police decide to do sound checks on non standard exhausts.



I totally agree with everything you said...

I also do around 300km per week. I always wear full bike gear (never worn kevlar) even if it's 40 degrees outside.

But am very concerned about implications of some of the proposed changes:
- pre approved / certified gear - this could be just another money making scheme.. does that mean i have to throw away and buy all new pre-approved gear ??
- minimum wearing of 5 protective items... ?? (does that mean if my pants get ripped i can't ride bike to nearby shop to get replacement pants wearing jeans or something?
- creation of motorcycle advisory body within Victoria Police = more taxes and higher rego = and it's not like they will be acting in the interest of bikes
- front number plates - this will make bikes look like sh1t... will effect performance... but the worst part is it's mechanically a huge challange to fit the plate on the front of the bike...
- on top of that, this whole set of new rules will give more opportunities for Vicroads/Police for more infrinngement revenue generation...
- and there is more...

I'm definitelly attending the protest...

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
18 Oct 2012 5:15PM
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echunda said...
I'm not going to attend in case the fun police decide to do sound checks on non standard exhausts.


The only annoying and inconsiderate thing about motorbikes that grinds my gears no end.

I live on a road and it sounds like this:
car/swoosh. car/swoosh. nothing. nothing. car/swoosh. nothing. bird tweets. nothing. bird tweets again.
BAAAA BAAAAAA MOTTORBIIIIIKE!!!!!!!!!! EVERYONE I'M ON A MOOOTTTTOOOR BIIIIKE!!! BAAAAA BAAAAAAAA!!!!!!.
nothing. car/swoosh.

I hate to admit it, I really do, but if I heard one crash I'd smile.

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
18 Oct 2012 2:25PM
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echunda said...
It's wasn't gravel.

Long story short I had to 'gently lay' (oh fark moment) the bike down and ended up sliding and tumbling at around 80 km/h. It's amazing how fast that is when your sliding down the road.



I've never seen brakes on the side of a bike, it's a myth that dropping your bike slows you down quicker than braking upright.

stamp
QLD, 2770 posts
18 Oct 2012 4:48PM
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Chris6791 said...
echunda said...
It's wasn't gravel.

Long story short I had to 'gently lay' (oh fark moment) the bike down and ended up sliding and tumbling at around 80 km/h. It's amazing how fast that is when your sliding down the road.



I've never seen brakes on the side of a bike, it's a myth that dropping your bike slows you down quicker than braking upright.


it's not about slowing down quicker. it's often better to lay the bike down, get away from it and slide independently of its momentum. for example if you lose it through a corner it can be better to slide on your arse than hold onto the bike and go over the crash rail or into the ditch.

busterwa
3777 posts
18 Oct 2012 3:44PM
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I can certainly see the bikies wearing viz jackets NOT lol

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
18 Oct 2012 3:52PM
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It's getting away from the initial thread but I still disagree. The friction co-efficient of a bike under braking far exceeds that of a bike or rider sliding (either together or separate). Stay upright and you have a longer opportunity to wash off more speed before the sudden stop at the end that will do the damage. Once the bike and rider are sliding you have no control, no braking and are probably sliding faster than your guardian angel can fly.

The theory of splitting your momentum from the bike also doesn't really hold true. On the bike it is still braked weight rather than sliding unbraked weight.

I'd also rather stay on the bike and take my chances of get thrown over the Armco guard rail or the wire ropes. Sliding contact with either will result in unwanted amputation.

stamp
QLD, 2770 posts
18 Oct 2012 6:13PM
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i can see where you're coming from, but when things go wrong i'd still prefer to be as far from the 270kg of unpredictable hot steel as possible.

Gwendy
SA, 472 posts
18 Oct 2012 7:23PM
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Using protective equipment is obviously wise, be crazy not to.

Forcing riders with legislation to use it is legislation designed to protect people from themselves and we just can't call ourselves a "free society" as we travel down that path.

Compare this with proposed new jetski laws. This legislation is designed to protect OTHER people.

Different story.

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
18 Oct 2012 5:52PM
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stamp said...
i can see where you're coming from, but when things go wrong i'd still prefer to be as far from the 270kg of unpredictable hot steel as possible.


If you choose to drop the bike and try and separate yourself from it your momentum argument dictates that you and the bike will head in the same direction anyway. Think back to Newtons three laws and high school physics.

Stay on the bike, stay upright and brake as hard as you can on both wheels without locking up either, will almost always have a better outcome than dropping it and sliding out of control into something. Either way its going to hurt, just depends how much.

jn1
2454 posts
18 Oct 2012 6:26PM
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superlizard said...
But am very concerned about implications of some of the proposed changes:
- pre approved / certified gear - this could be just another money making scheme.. does that mean i have to throw away and buy all new pre-approved gear ??
- minimum wearing of 5 protective items... ?? (does that mean if my pants get ripped i can't ride bike to nearby shop to get replacement pants wearing jeans or something?
- creation of motorcycle advisory body within Victoria Police = more taxes and higher rego = and it's not like they will be acting in the interest of bikes
- front number plates - this will make bikes look like sh1t... will effect performance... but the worst part is it's mechanically a huge challange to fit the plate on the front of the bike...
- on top of that, this whole set of new rules will give more opportunities for Vicroads/Police for more infrinngement revenue generation...
- and there is more...


Here is SA, we're looking tentatively at how things are panning out across the border. As I have told people, if it was just a cheap hi-vis safety vest at Bunnings, no big deal. However the "approved" bit seems to be a barrier to make riding less attractive, and has nothing to do with safety. Like in this state, it all boils down to a bunch of corrupt policy makers with a bone to pick with riders.

If you do lose this case, you could "embrace safety" and drag everybody into it by arguing car drivers need visual safety gear when they enter and exit their vehicles as it will reduce the risk of a collision hazard (as well as driver training) .

Good luck anyway. Fingers crossed

J

bobajob
QLD, 1534 posts
18 Oct 2012 8:33PM
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www.parliament.vic.gov.au/images/stories/committees/rsc/motorcycle_safety/Submissions/44-67/52_VictoriaPolice_08092011.pdf

Is a run down of what the fuss is about. Must be comming into riding season. Look out Panda, it's gonna get a whole lot noisier!
And anyway, noise is a safe, as more and more car drivers are busy on their smart phones, they're less and less likley to see you. I make sure they can hear me!
VTR1000, Staintunes.....Mmmmmmm. Nearly as nice as the sound of 20Kts in the trees

worrier
WA, 726 posts
19 Oct 2012 7:25AM
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I wonder if the 1% can get a doctors certificate for the new rules the same as they do for helmets?
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echunda
VIC, 764 posts
19 Oct 2012 11:07AM
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Chris6791 said...
stamp said...
i can see where you're coming from, but when things go wrong i'd still prefer to be as far from the 270kg of unpredictable hot steel as possible.


If you choose to drop the bike and try and separate yourself from it your momentum argument dictates that you and the bike will head in the same direction anyway. Think back to Newtons three laws and high school physics.

Stay on the bike, stay upright and brake as hard as you can on both wheels without locking up either, will almost always have a better outcome than dropping it and sliding out of control into something. Either way its going to hurt, just depends how much.


I agree.

However in this instance it was best I remove myslef from the current course of the bike as it was going to a sudden stop where at the speed I was going (legal speed limit) I wouldn't be here today.

back on the subject, 5 items are:

1. Helmet
2. Pants
3. Boots
4. Jacket
5. Gloves

There's no way a 'pre approved' list will ever get through. The manufacturers left off the list will have a feild day in the courts over lost revenue. It would be the same as attempting to introduce control tyres to cars. I'm sure it will be based on a standard of some sort like boots must cover the ankles and not be a slip on type.

The Hi Vis vest is funny. I ride with a back pack so it would be pretty useless. We use Hi Vis Vests when we ride dirt to determine the lead and sweep rirders.

I think it might be time to paint my CBR1000 fluro yellow with "DANGER MTORCYCLIST" on the sides.

I think in 10 years time we'll be needing one of these






echunda
VIC, 764 posts
19 Oct 2012 11:08AM
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evlPanda said...
echunda said...
I'm not going to attend in case the fun police decide to do sound checks on non standard exhausts.


The only annoying and inconsiderate thing about motorbikes that grinds my gears no end.

I live on a road and it sounds like this:
car/swoosh. car/swoosh. nothing. nothing. car/swoosh. nothing. bird tweets. nothing. bird tweets again.
BAAAA BAAAAAA MOTTORBIIIIIKE!!!!!!!!!! EVERYONE I'M ON A MOOOTTTTOOOR BIIIIKE!!! BAAAAA BAAAAAAAA!!!!!!.
nothing. car/swoosh.

I hate to admit it, I really do, but if I heard one crash I'd smile.


If you don't like it..............


MOVE!!!!

Spocktek
WA, 281 posts
19 Oct 2012 9:02AM
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evlPanda said...


I hate to admit it, I really do, but if I heard one crash I'd smile.


Your a tosser, and your green thumbers are too.

kiterboy
2614 posts
19 Oct 2012 9:04AM
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Hold on guys, this can all be dealt with the same way as the shark issue.

Just as the Great Whites are the top of the food chain in the ocean, cars and trucks are the top of the food chain on the roads.

There's no need to do anything about sharks, there's no need to do anything about motorbike riders.

If you don't want to be eaten, don't go in the water.
If you don't want to die in a crash, don't ride a motorbike.

Simple.

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
19 Oct 2012 12:37PM
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Spocktek said...
evlPanda said...


I hate to admit it, I really do, but if I heard one crash I'd smile.


Your a tosser, and your green thumbers are too.



You're


They annoy the hell out of me, especially if they wake one of my kids up at 4am. Do you ever think about that noising around the streets? You could blat down just one street and leave a trail of people cursing your existence. Every time. Car hoons too!

....aaah.

That said bikes are ultra cool and I'd own one (or more) if I didn't think I'd kill myself on one within three years. I'm have about one little 'oops' moment every three years or so that is inconsequential in a car, but perhaps not so on a bike.

kiterboy
2614 posts
19 Oct 2012 9:45AM
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evlPanda said...
Spocktek said...
evlPanda said...


I hate to admit it, I really do, but if I heard one crash I'd smile.


Your a tosser, and your green thumbers are too.



You're


I'll second that.

http://www.wikihow.com/Use-You%27re-and-Your

NotWal
QLD, 7428 posts
19 Oct 2012 12:03PM
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+1

Spocktek
WA, 281 posts
19 Oct 2012 10:11AM
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Good to see the spelling police are on to it this morning
Errors aside, what you said Panda was a tosser thing to say
LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES
Peace

Dawn Patrol
WA, 1991 posts
19 Oct 2012 10:51AM
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Spocktek said...
evlPanda said...


I hate to admit it, I really do, but if I heard one crash I'd smile.


Your a tosser, and your green thumbers are too.


Agreed.


bobajob
QLD, 1534 posts
19 Oct 2012 5:57PM
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Dawn Patrol said...
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Spocktek said...
evlPanda said...


I hate to admit it, I really do, but if I heard one crash I'd smile.


I saw a crash that just happened in Phuket, head like a dinner plate - smashed, pretty horrible sight but thats the crap helmets they wear.
Didn't make me smile.

surferstu
1011 posts
19 Oct 2012 5:23PM
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What's a mortocyclist anyway?

jn1
2454 posts
20 Oct 2012 7:18PM
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Spocktek said...
LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES


and they sound good !

hilly
WA, 7319 posts
20 Oct 2012 7:24PM
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jn1 said...
Spocktek said...
LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES


and they sound good !



Mine do


jn1
2454 posts
20 Oct 2012 7:35PM
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hilly said...
Mine do

Nice :)

.. but hang on a tick. Is that chicken strips I see. Please tell me they are new tyres !



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