NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell has announced the Firearms Amendment (Ammunition Control) Bill 2012 which will impose new restrictions on the sale of ammunition to law-abiding firearm owners and additional onerous record keeping requirements for firearm dealers (www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/nswbills.nsf/131a07fa4b8a041cca256e610012de17/7d714d724cf1852dca2579a4001b0b8c?OpenDocument)
This Bill will do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to reduce drive-by shootings by CRIMINALS in Sydney.
What it will do is:
(1) inconvenience tens of thousands of LAW-ABIDING FIREARM OWNERS, particularly in the bush,
(2) drive firearm dealers to the wall with the added paperwork, and
(3) breach Mr O'Farrell's pledge to reduce red tape for businesses and the community by 20% by June 2015
Below is the link to an online petition for anybody wanting to show their support to sign. With both liberal and labor supporting this Bill it will take a monumental effort to get it scrapped. Please pledge your support for the law abiding licenced firearm owners in NSW.
www.gopetition.com/petitions/barry-ofarrell-stop-your-attack-on-law-abiding-firearm-owners.html
Is an 'inconvenience' really such a problem?
Reading through this, it looks like it is insisting that those buying ammunition prove that they own the type of weapon that takes that type of ammunition. Why is that unreasonable? Why would anyone want to buy ammunition for a gun they didn't own?
Paperwork? You don't want people that sell guns and ammo to have to do paperwork?
Why would you be against this?
Sorry, but I can't see anything thing in this that would really be a problem for your typical licensed gun owner.
This begs the question, if you had an unlicensed firearm, where would you get the ammunition from?
signed it for you,
We already have this up and running in W.A.
Its a pain in the neck for no benefit.
For years over here I could walk into my local shop, buy what I needed, and walk out again.
As the shop owner knew what I was licensed for it worked well- and if someone new wanted to buy- they showed him thier license first time around and after that they were treated the same as me.
Then the rules changed and now everytime I need to show my license and sign the sales records book.
The paperwork for the shop owner get worse all the time- for no realistic benefit at all.
Crims will get their firearms and ammo one way or another- they are crims and dont particularly worry much about paperwork and regulations like we do.
Its not that hard to make gunpowder (black or smokeless) primer compound and melt lead for cast lead projectiles to make their ammo from scratch, if they cant be bothered to steal or illegally import ammo.
I would imagine its way easier than making their methylamphetawhateveryoucallitamine.
Same for their firearms- it doesnt take a genius with a modern factory to manufacture effective firearms- a basic "house clearing" type submachine gun is (in theory) a fairly simple excercise that has been done by crims, rebels and governments all around the world.
As a side note- I read a couple of days ago that after spending several BILLION dollars to set up a firearms licensing system for rifles and shotguns over the last few years, the Canadian government scrapped it as it was ineffective.
That several billion dollars would have paid for a lot of nurses in hospitals- and police on the street.
I feel the same applies here.
stephen
uh oh someone just opened 
, will appease the wallys in la la land that good ol uncle Barry is doing someting tho .Too lttle too late .Just do away with the war on drugs ol mate and the problem will be solved .Cheap govt supplied and taxed drugs down at the local ,problem solved (and no more wining pubs and clubs due to pokie taxes) takes organised crime out of the equation (If people are dumb enough to ingest, inject, inhale or drop whatever you may as well have some say/part in it and rmove the criminal element and the push ) .But then again it's gonna be hard to convince good ol joe average that this would be for the greater good.
but then again isn't ther general agreement that prohibition doesn't work
As sn said, we have had this in WA for ages and it is a bit of a pain.
In the 1930's to about late 1950's boys did shooting at cadets after school and took the rifle home. The standard birthday present for a 16 y/o (ish) boy in the country was his first .22 rifle.
We didn't have schoolyard shootings, or drug dealers wasting each other. What's changed?
Maybe the Govt needs to deal with society's problems before restricting lawful activity. Trouble is the latter is easier and appeases the vocal minority.
Thanks very much, enlightened "we know better" far left intelligentsia who totally screwed discipline, the justice system etc (the list goes on ) over the last 50 years or so, which has led to the lawlessness we see now.
So, even though the actual process / record keeping is only the tiniest bit troublesome for gun owners, it is yet another assault upon lawful firearms owners that will not change rates of gun crime - so I'll sign it.
Any rules that make it harder for crim's to get ammo is alright by me, 
If It stops even one fool doing something silly on just one occasion, It's worth it,
If your so upset about having to do paperwork to buy something that could be
construed as a danger to all humanity, (created specifically to kill people)
Maybe you need a new hobby
Highnoon-
The extra paperwork is not a real hassle for the legitimate firearm owner, but it does cause problems for the shop owner, if they make the slightest mistake in the paperwork, or are in any way late lodging thier paperwork with the police- Mr Plod tends to hit them like a ton of bricks.
However, if (actually when) 
our police make a mistake with thier paperwork, lose documents, misinform applicants, stuff up applications, lose applications, lose firearms licensing records (thousands of them), and generally handle thier paperwork in a slovenly manner- we are told to harden up.
Like I said before- crims dont bother following the rules- thats why they are crims.
They will- and do- buy from the black market (which is thiers anyway) all the stolen, illegally imported or illegally manufactured firearms and ammo, drugs, chemicals and explosives they want.
My choosing to follow the law will not affect them in any way at all.
stephen
Its not too bad for the firearm owner, but for the shops selling ammunition its a very large burden.
Another downside is that people will be prevented from buying ammunition for their friends (such as those in remote areas, firearm shops aren't exactly numerous and they often run short of supply). A couple of my friends buy ammunition to take to farmers who live 'out a bit' (its is a popular occurance). Let alone those who reload ammunition for people who can't themselves. I myself have bought ammunition to use in another firearm that I borrowed, as I didn't have the required firearm at the time.
Another issue is the legislation may limit the quantity of ammunition able to be sold during a set timespan. Most shooters I know use more ammunition in one hunting trip or target shooting event, than these drive by shootings would over a matter of months. Therefore what use would a cap do?
All in all the legislation isn't targeting criminals, which is the big issue here. They should be drafting legislation aimed at CRIMINALS.
here's the thing, a populace unable to defend themselves from coruption leaves themselves open to coruption.
(thats theDoctors tipsy paraphase of the roman saying)
or maybe it was the greek saying...
thing is...
guns don't kill people... multi national corporations who control governments kill people....
and if they ain't killing you, it's cause you're servin' their purpose.... and its' only a matter of time...
As Jordan Maxwell said at the end of a doco i watched,
'if you only listen to one piece of advice from me it's this....never,ever give up your firearms.'
Would the Chinese pesants have been so sh/t upon by the govt if they had firearms to defend themselves?
Remember back in the old days,30 or so years back,just arrived in oz.
Was watching 60 minutes show,Charlton Heston saying he would rather die than give up his guns!
Thought the bloke had 'lost it'. Now i know where he's coming from!
Seems like the biggest regulators end up being the Liberal/Nats.
Can anyone provide a graph of gun related crime over the last 50 years or so in Australia? It would be interesting to see if gun related crime drops away when more laws attempt to regulate and control gun ownership are brought in.
Drive by shootings are a problem mainly because the mainstream media beats it up and the police don't seem to be able to deal with the situation. Perhaps its a cultural issue where the victims won't talk to the police even though they know who the shooters are.
Perhaps its a war between different criminal groups. If so let them kill each other and help improve society. If its about money from drugs as it probably is, take away the profit by decriminilising the drugs. Instead of scoring from your mate or dealer, go see a doctor, get a script and get your score from the chemist.
Edit:
Found this page:http://www.gunsandcrime.org/auresult.html
The reporting of violent incidents involving guns are are tracking fairly neutral to slightly downwards and increased regulation don't have much effect one way or another.
Fire arms and weapons designed to kill = Good/OK?
Drugs and natural medicines designed to heal and help regulate your mood = Bad?
Please explain.
Hey I make bullets in my gun shop... Cool
Hey I grow weed in my garden... Call the cops
Hey I'm an engineer making cruise missiles for General Dynamics... You're so clever
Hey I'm a botanist growing Psychoactive mushrooms... You're going to hell
I think Barry O'Farrell is finally doing something good. I really cant see how anyone could argue against ensuring gun owners can only purchase ammo for the guns they legally own.
And this incident...... where do I start?
www.heraldsun.com.au/nocookies?a=A.flavipes
If a 14yo boy isn't responsible enough to know to never to aim a gun anywhere near people WTF is he doing with a gun or a license, after that incident I hope they ban duck hunting forever and make gun licensing a s**t load tighter.
Everyone seems to going straight to weather or not this will effect the illegal,criminal side of the argument. What about the kid who finds dads gun and plays with his friends and a disaster ensues. What about the country kid so so distraught about his girlfriend and the other bloke he decides to go and settle a score. What about the Gay boy who does something stupid because he doesn't understand who he is. The more we can remove guns and ammo from society the better. Sure it won't solve these possibilities but if you take the gun out of it it can cool down tempers and stop people from doing things they'll regret later.
duck hunters are really annoying if youre trying to just go for a nice quiet paddle.
Sorry about the odd bit of noise though...
Fair enough Lachlan, but if the issue is you can only buy ammo for the gun you've got and you've got to sign for it ,well I just can't see a problem that is unless you believe the government is out to disarm the population so it can make us all communists through brain washing techniques and flouride.
