So how about owners who are currently trying to sell or trade in their VW diesel cars. Up Scheisen creek without a paddle
It's BS. Basically the cars are fine except they don't meet a standard set by the government that has nothing to with safety. I don't own one so it does not worry me one way or another but it seems like standards have been set that are impossible to meet, witness Mazda basically giving up on selling diesel cars in America. Meanwhile GM are happily churning out hybrid cars and have spent little time or effort to produce diesel cars.
i have a diesel powered vehicle, not a VW which is close to 20 years old. I'm pretty sure it puts out more noxious gasses than a new VW.
VW always had the option to not sell diesels into that market, they took a punt and lost. I have zero sympathy for them and hope they make an example of them.
Mobydik do you not understand the concept of premeditated deception of a whole ****ing nation for capital gain ****ing scumbags
Out of curiosity, would anyone reading this who would have bought a VW, now NOT buy a VW as a result of this?
I have a VW and an Audi (not diesels) and if they got nicked I'd probably buy the same brands immediately, assuming they represented he best car / $.
Not that this is relevant, but as it happens they both were nicked last week, but the cops have found them and they are giving them back once fixed - unfortunately.
Your argument is two wrongs make a right and lying is clever if you get away with it, is this how you do business?
Mobdisc, I don't think you understand how regulations/government/democracy works..
The government (is meant to) represent the majority of its population. The fact that the regulations are in place indicates that the majority of US citizens (also customers) didn't want cars on their roads that put out such high emissions. Unless there is an unlikely negative correlation between people voting in past and current governments and VW buyers, then the majority of customers actually wanted an economical car that has power AND complied with regulations. VW cheated the majority of the population via deceptive conduct and that same population implicitly wants such actions to be punished (since laws exist that punish misleading and deceptive conduct).
The legal emissions are low for a reason. When you multiply the small limit by a large number of cars you start to have a big problem.
You think that the government is meant to represent the majority opinion of its population? In that case we would have the death penalty.
As any petrol head knows, emission regulations are just nanny state overreach.
The thing here is the pious attitude of all condemning VW, which is disgusting.
The damn Govt bends rules (and sometimes breaks them) to suit themselves or their big business mates all the time.
Any Govt criticising VW for their clever way of appearing to follow the rules but actually not, is dead set hypocritical.
Tell you what tho. My wife has a vw 2L turbo diesel. It's by far the nicest car iv ever driven, and it's super fast, I mean real fast. I was blown away at how quick it is. As for the emissions, kind of sicks they did this, but look at the result.
Fun fact- live stock produce more harmful greenhouse gases then cars.
Greenhouse emissions aren't the issue here. It's the NOx emissions that were deceptively released into the atmosphere. Up to 35 times the amount that was allowed for by US regulations! The concept of deception seems to be lost on a few posters.http://www3.epa.gov/airquality/nitrogenoxides/health.html
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NOx react with ammonia, moisture, and other compounds to form small particles. These small particles penetrate deeply into sensitive parts of the lungs and can cause or worsen respiratory disease, such as emphysema and bronchitis, and can aggravate existing heart disease, leading to increased hospital admissions and premature death."
The NOx coming out the tailpipe of a modern VW (35 times what we first thought) is invisible at first but later transforms to produce photochemical smog.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smog
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Photochemical smog was first described in the 1950s. It is the chemical reaction of sunlight, nitrogen oxides and volatile organic compounds in the atmosphere, which leaves airborne particles and ground-level ozone.[14] This noxious mixture of air pollutants may include the following:AldehydesNitrogen oxides, such as nitrogen dioxidePeroxyacyl nitratesTropospheric ozoneVolatile organic compoundsAll of these harsh chemicals are usually highly reactive and oxidizing. Photochemical smog is therefore considered to be a problem of modern industrialization. It is present in all modern cities, but it is more common in cities with sunny, warm, dry climates and a large number of motor vehicles.[15] Because it travels with the wind, it can affect sparsely populated areas as well."
I live 50 km south of Sydney but often can see the smog drifting out across the ocean. Now I know VW Golfs are a major culprit. Who would have thought?
I will be interested if somebody tested ever our power tools motors for emission.
From mower to auger. I am pretty sure that mine doesn't met even XIX emission standards.
So only electrification is the solution. How soon we could see Electric VW on the streets ?
www.caranddriver.com/volkswagen/e-golf
Australia has one of the biggest lithium deposits on the planet.
Could new government throw some money to support electric automobile industry ? If building battery manufacturing plant here is too ambitious for Aussie, or we need again keep sending raw materials overseas to come back to us as finished product?
Tesla battery manufacturer gigafactory didn't cost more then 5 bln and is the biggest in the world. Taking into account that our Stock market could loose
50 bln in one day, we should be afford to build similar.
I don't know what the fuss is about, VW said they could have power AND economy but they didn't say at the same time