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What if?

Created by FlySurfer > 9 months ago, 6 Aug 2010

NSW

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shannon8888

NSW, 517 posts

what if there was no religion of any kind ,would there be a need for armed forces

QLD

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NotWal

QLD, 7428 posts

shannon8888 said...

what if there was no religion of any kind ,would there be a need for armed forces

Afraid so. Religion I think gets a bad rap, not entirely undeserved imho but not entirely deserved either. Its human nature to aggregate into groups and compete. Religion is just one type of group.

NSW

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shannon8888

NSW, 517 posts

^^^mmmaybe but you know what i'm getting at just hard pressed to think of a conflict that hasn't got any religious under tones from before the crewsades to present day .

NSW

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I used to have 10x Salvia... it was OK, Mrs & I got stuck to the bed once... like it was magnetic.

If there was no religion people would find another reason for a bustup... maybe the other Blonds vs Dark haired.

Or football clubs... there's alway another reason.

NotWal

QLD

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NotWal

QLD, 7428 posts

shannon8888 said...

^^^mmmaybe but you know what i'm getting at just hard pressed to think of a conflict that hasn't got any religious under tones from before the crusades to present day .

I'm not sure what you mean by "religious undertones". I know in WW2 the Jews copped a bashing purely on the basis their religious/ethnic background. That wasn't a major cause of the conflict. The overt cause was the German invasion of other countries. There was nothing religious about the Japanese misbehaviour.
WW1 - no overt religious causes.
Korea - no religion
Vietnam - no religion
Can't think of any of America's wars being religious and they've had heaps of them.

There were lots of vicious conflicts in Europe in previous centuries that were religious. I think you'll find that these were hegemonic competitions. Its just that until recent centuries the church was the seat of political power. People fight about power and wealth. They use religion for group solidarity.

The current Moslem jihadism obviously owes a lot to religion but I suspect that if you look into it you will find that there is a lot more to it.

shannon8888

NSW

517 posts

shannon8888

NSW, 517 posts

with a bit more reserch nationalism and political ideology are front runners for causeing wars but what is the motivation for the individuals involved ie my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend and hide behind religion as justification for humanitarian atrocities .

myusernam

QLD

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myusernam

QLD, 6135 posts

religion is gay

evlPanda

NSW

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evlPanda

NSW, 9202 posts

NotWal said...
If you don't have a huge military you can't invade and occupy other countries, and you don't have to spend as much moolah on defence. Its win win and win.

It's not win, win and win if you are a lifetime employee of the military, or your company's primary customer is the military. Therein lies your answer.

By the way New Zealand has no air force. F'n good on New Zealand I say.

Carantoc

WA

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Carantoc

WA, 6741 posts

Nobody thought 'What if' and lived like this is it ?

Carantoc

WA

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Carantoc

WA, 6741 posts

Petermac is right ?

shannon8888

NSW

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shannon8888

NSW, 517 posts

Religions are an opiate that profess to take care of our spirituality but are in actual fact instruments of the elite used for social control. As long as people believe that the trials they endure are a gift from a man in the clouds they will take it up the arse

yes somebody with there head screwed on

FlySurfer

NSW

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FlySurfer

NSW, 4453 posts

NotWal said...
I'm not sure what you mean by "religious undertones". I know in WW2 the Jews copped a bashing purely on the basis their religious/ethnic background. That wasn't a major cause of the conflict. The overt cause was the German invasion of other countries. There was nothing religious about the Japanese misbehaviour.
WW1 - no overt religious causes.
Korea - no religion
Vietnam - no religion
Can't think of any of America's wars being religious and they've had heaps of them.

There were lots of vicious conflicts in Europe in previous centuries that were religious. I think you'll find that these were hegemonic competitions. Its just that until recent centuries the church was the seat of political power. People fight about power and wealth. They use religion for group solidarity.

The current Moslem jihadism obviously owes a lot to religion but I suspect that if you look into it you will find that there is a lot more to it.

I thought Germany was just getting back territory stolen from WWI, then France and England declared war on Germany.
Oh and the Jews copped it cos they essentially declared war on Germany too with their economic boycott... imagine if Indonesia declared war on Australia and we had all the Aus moslem's farking our economy so we couldn't trade or get essentials... I bet there'd be calls to have the proud moslem's wear a crescent to identify themselves. Now imagine they were in every facet of our society... I'd be pretty pissed off with that kind of treason.

Yeah I know that's not the way it appears in Hollywood... but the victors write history.
And yes the nazi's were a bunch of totalitarian nationalist socialist but you shouldn't give people like that reasons to come after you.

FlySurfer

NSW

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FlySurfer

NSW, 4453 posts

japie and shannon8888 said...
Religions are an opiate that profess to take care of our spirituality but are in actual fact instruments of the elite used for social control. As long as people believe that the trials they endure are a gift from a man in the clouds they will take it up the arse

My take is that a religion is a documented process of think, eg a philosophy, ideology that attempts to answer primary questions and guide people.
Now since most people can't actually think for themselves, they have to adopt somebody else's way of thinking. And like in every other social environment you have leaders and followers.
Sometimes you get leaders who want to take over the world, and they're able to talk the people who can't think for themselves in to doing anything they want, even to such a degree that they subvert the original ideology... that's why you have branches.

Then of course you have those that can't think for themselves and aren't even aware of the ideology the profess to belong too.

And lastly but by no means least are those that can think, have been thinking and have been searching for answers to primary questions who happen across an ideology that resonates with what they have been thinking and it's a very enlightening experience for them.

Oh and everything in between to infinity.

PS: BMW suck, www.badmotorworks.com

laurie

WA

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laurie

WA, 3848 posts

What if?

What if we kept topics of religion & politics.

Let's not get toooooo serious folks .. remember, seabreeze.com.au is a watersports websites .. there are a bazillion sites where you can go and get all heated about religion & politics.

Enjoy...

getfunky

WA

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getfunky

WA, 4485 posts

Let's talk about bad kiters instead.

Sailhack

VIC

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Sailhack

VIC, 5000 posts

^^^ or we could just 'merge' the topics of watersports & religion?

~~http://www.ehow.com/how_2110738_surfing-religion.html~~

FlySurfer

NSW

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FlySurfer

NSW, 4453 posts

All hale lord of wind... Thinking of the religious stuff.

I guess it would make sense to worship.

1.- The Sun
2.- The Moon
3.- The Wind?

Who wants a Wind Rose? And how come there aren't any ideologies around wind?

If only it was summer and a nice 20kt NE kicking in

doggie

WA

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doggie

WA, 15849 posts

laurie said...

What if?

What if we kept topics of religion & politics.

Let's not get toooooo serious folks .. remember, seabreeze.com.au is a watersports websites .. there are a bazillion sites where you can go and get all heated about religion & politics.

Enjoy...

Agreed

getfunky

WA

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getfunky

WA, 4485 posts

Reckon that would have been an epic set at the Red sea.

Moses was a soul surfer. Probably had a donkey towing his woody wagon.

doggie

WA

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doggie

WA, 15849 posts

getfunky said...

Reckon that would have been an epic set at the Red sea.

Moses was a soul surfer. Probably had a donkey towing his woody wagon.

SUPer I recon

FlySurfer

NSW

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FlySurfer

NSW, 4453 posts

So would it be like one long barrel?

FlySurfer

NSW

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FlySurfer

NSW, 4453 posts

What if vehicles in Australia were limited to 110kmh? I'd be a couple grand richer...

maxm

NSW

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maxm

NSW, 864 posts

FlySurfer said...

And how come there aren't any ideologies around wind?

Are you kidding? Have you ever smelled even just one of someone else's fart?? Imagine a whole church full of 'em!

NotWal

QLD

7428 posts

NotWal

QLD, 7428 posts

What if those nano-engineers could produce a super slippery surface to stick onto the bottom of your sailboard.

shannon8888

NSW

517 posts

shannon8888

NSW, 517 posts

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laurie said...

What if?

What if we kept topics of religion & politics.

Let's not get toooooo serious folks .. remember, seabreeze.com.au is a watersports websites .. there are a bazillion sites where you can go and get all heated about religion & politics.

Enjoy...

i said
sorry was only asking a" what if "question got to admit has been an interesting thread with some of the more intellectual and thought provoking answers and opinions on here as opposed to the usual **** stirring which i do partake in myself ,and i think off has 2 fs in it

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