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how to fix the sickie

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Created by Cassa > 9 months ago, 15 Jul 2010
Cassa
WA, 1305 posts
15 Jul 2010 8:38PM
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I got p[ssed off with guys taking days off , especially when they know there are jobs that have to be done urgently, ssssooooo , anyone who has a day off without good cause, (ya have to be dying , or a relative ) can have a week off !
1st one to get the week off hasnt had a day off for a year, then , new girlfriend , and had 4 days off last month. had a day off tuesday , so he now has a week to think about things.
Anyone got any good solutions on how to fix these slack f--ers .
I Hate lazy no good useless pieces of sh-te.
so much money to earn , but no one wants to work for it .
???????????

Greenroom
WA, 7608 posts
15 Jul 2010 8:47PM
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I would hate to work for you

deXtrous
NSW, 451 posts
15 Jul 2010 10:55PM
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How is giving more time off to someone who wanted some time off in the first place a good punishment?

decrepit
WA, 12064 posts
15 Jul 2010 9:03PM
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perhaps they don't get paid for it?

GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
15 Jul 2010 9:35PM
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Cassa said...

I got p[ssed off with guys taking days off , especially when they know there are jobs that have to be done urgently, ssssooooo , anyone who has a day off without good cause, (ya have to be dying , or a relative ) can have a week off !
1st one to get the week off hasnt had a day off for a year, then , new girlfriend , and had 4 days off last month. had a day off tuesday , so he now has a week to think about things.
Anyone got any good solutions on how to fix these slack f--ers .
I Hate lazy no good useless pieces of sh-te.
so much money to earn , but no one wants to work for it .
???????????


Cassa:- They would not work for me again!!!!.....

A few years ago I employed 20 year olds...after 3 months and loads of second chances ........ I then had all family people working for me...they wanted the money and if they wanted a day off due to family commitments...(which was totally fine by me)..they organized it with one of the other staff...and every one was as happy as Larry....

God they were good people...

Smedg
NSW, 836 posts
15 Jul 2010 11:48PM
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Cassa.. I blame management
Best not to employ lazy no good pieces of sh!t. haha. If you are sure they don't have good reasons, I guess you should give fair warnings then look for someone else to give a try.

Cassa
WA, 1305 posts
15 Jul 2010 10:08PM
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Smedg said...

Cassa.. I blame management
Best not to employ lazy no good pieces of sh!t. haha. If you are sure they don't have good reasons, I guess you should give fair warnings then look for someone else to give a try.


After 12 mths and no days off , and putting in the effort , I mistakenly thought he had promise , I was prepared to teach and keep teaching ( I mean $800 p week, for 35 hrs isnt bad is it ,espesially for an 17 yr old), the potential to earn more was really easy for him , just remember what you have been told and put it into practice . Problem was pussy got him , shame , he has promise /
we will see if a week without money wakes him up

GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
15 Jul 2010 10:22PM
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Cassa said...
After 12 mths and no days off , and putting in the effort , I mistakenly thought he had promise , I was prepared to teach and keep teaching ( I mean $800 p week, for 35 hrs isnt bad is it ,espesially for an 17 yr old), the potential to earn more was really easy for him , just remember what you have been told and put it into practice . Problem was pussy got him , shame , he has promise /
we will see if a week without money wakes him up


I argued with both male and female hormones too as I wanted them to amount to something....the kids not the hormones
Had to give myself a break in the end...as 1 or 2 people stuffing up a happy working family was not worth it.

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
15 Jul 2010 10:26PM
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Cassa said...

I got p[ssed off with guys taking days off , especially when they know there are jobs that have to be done urgently, ssssooooo , anyone who has a day off without good cause, (ya have to be dying , or a relative ) can have a week off !
1st one to get the week off hasnt had a day off for a year, then , new girlfriend , and had 4 days off last month. had a day off tuesday , so he now has a week to think about things.
Anyone got any good solutions on how to fix these slack f--ers .
I Hate lazy no good useless pieces of sh-te.
so much money to earn , but no one wants to work for it .
???????????


Different generation, different values.
I work for a large Company. last time I looked, had over *** days owing
While at the coal face, there was always in-house competition, to see who would earn the most each month We didn't take sickies, for a few reasons.
1: it was dishonest in our books, (still is, but not viewed in same light I think)
2:if your off crook, you only get 8 hours pay, if your at work, you can grab most times 12 hours. Friday was worst, if crook, only six hours sick pay, at work six hours plus the double bubble for the next six.
Then again most of us had mortgages in the period of 18%+ rate era, so we had to crank it on regardless.
3: sickies impacted the rostering of weekend overtime, off sick, got last choice, and some of the left overs were crap jobs one avoided with vigilance
On the front line was choice
So Cassa, whats the answer, buggered if I know. Been looking at this for a few years and its tough.
One solution I experienced with a small business trucking mob I thought may have been on the money a few years back.
The owner, without anything written down set a bonus scheme up He placed $500 cash (may have been more) a week up for grabs, you blew a sicky, late for work, late back from lunch, your out of the mix and the remainder of the team split the $500 or so. If everybody blew it, stayed in the boss's kick.
He believed it worked a treat, His gun lads benefited, the slack ones caved in under pear pressure and upped their game or walked. In the end his reliability went through the roof And his customers thought his team were guns
One thing he had to do was monitor those coming in so the ones genuine sick cases he sent home crook, no loss of the bonus, but they stopped blowing shifts on him real quick.
Not one bloke ever had a bad word to say about him

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
15 Jul 2010 10:39PM
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Hey Mineral,

What a clever idea Sounds like a smart boss

Mobydisc
NSW, 9028 posts
16 Jul 2010 7:49AM
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Cassa said...


1st one to get the week off hasnt had a day off for a year, then , new girlfriend , and had 4 days off last month. had a day off tuesday , so he now has a week to think about things.


Its probably not a wages job with annual leave but not having one day off in a year is pretty extreme. If its a trade like bricklaying then sometimes having time off for bad weather is the go.



DavMen
NSW, 1498 posts
16 Jul 2010 9:07AM
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Keep your employees happy - you'll get more than twice the prodroductivity!

Cassa
WA, 1305 posts
16 Jul 2010 7:27AM
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DavMen said...



Keep your employees happy - you'll get more than twice the prodroductivity!


Tried that , just so happens that before the last day off I payed them a full day ,for 4 hrs work, took them out for lunch and a few beers, on top ofthat gave 2 of them a bottle of their favourite spirits and told them how pleased I was with their efforts at work ,keep it up and you will get a pay rise. Not to forget the days fishing trip 3 mths ago!!.



And yes ,we do get rained off, but I chech the rain radar early and call the boys so they dont have to even drive to work.
Thinking of downsizing the team , look for those that have families and a need and WANT to work.

longwinded
WA, 344 posts
16 Jul 2010 9:19AM
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I have the opposite problem. Can't get people to stay at home when they are sick. This has lead to the whole office to get wiped out and in any case these employees are unproductive and prone to poor performance.
When I asked them why they came in, usually get 1 of 2 responses.
1. I couldn't get an appointment to see the doctor and by tomorrow I'll be fine.
2. Used all of my sick days looking after my kids when they were sick or in a previous illness.
I usually send them home on pay with orders not to return until fit. They try to sneak in the following day and if they are still not right then they are sent back home.
Be very careful on incentive schemes with sick days, they are meant for that purpose.

knigit
WA, 319 posts
16 Jul 2010 9:24AM
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Cassa said...

DavMen said...



Keep your employees happy - you'll get more than twice the prodroductivity!


took them out for lunch and a few beers, on top ofthat gave 2 of them a bottle of their favourite spirits


And you are suprised that the 17yrold didn't make it to wk the next day!

He was probably a bit

superlizard
VIC, 702 posts
16 Jul 2010 11:46AM
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How to fix a sickie Cassa? I've got one suggestion you could try!

Send your employees a link to this thread... make sure they see the part where you are talking about downsizing...

grumplestiltskin
WA, 2331 posts
16 Jul 2010 9:56AM
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I might be wrong, but I was under the impression that employees were entitled to 10 days of sick leave per year?

You can ask them to provide a doctors certificate if two or more days are taken consecutively, if its not provided then you can make it leave with no pay (dont quote me, this is just stuff from memory)

I was also under the impression that employers had to have insurance to cover these events, so its really at no extra cost to them anyway?

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
16 Jul 2010 11:30AM
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grumplestiltskin said...

I might be wrong, but I was under the impression that employees were entitled to 10 days of sick leave per year?

You can ask them to provide a doctors certificate if two or more days are taken consecutively, if its not provided then you can make it leave with no pay (dont quote me, this is just stuff from memory)

I was also under the impression that employers had to have insurance to cover these events, so its really at no extra cost to them anyway?


Thats correct.

Two days or more in a row you need a Doctors certificate. (Not one from the doctor tho )

neilw
WA, 134 posts
16 Jul 2010 11:31AM
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They are entitled to sick days if they are sick, not because they feel like a day off. Thats what holidays are for. Fortunately weve got a good crew now but we had so many idiots who thought they were entitled to time off when ever they wanted. Didn't last long, i think most were drug ****ed any way.

superlizard
VIC, 702 posts
16 Jul 2010 2:54PM
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how about if you feel sick of work..? I sometimes do... I just feel like i've had enough, and am so exhausted that i need to take a sickie ro recover psychologically...

fatwa
TAS, 107 posts
16 Jul 2010 8:05PM
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If your job is giving you the sh!ts, ring up and and tell them you have 'industrial diarrhea'. You're not lying.

oliver
3952 posts
16 Jul 2010 7:35PM
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superlizard said...

how about if you feel sick of work..? I sometimes do... I just feel like i've had enough, and am so exhausted that i need to take a sickie ro recover psychologically...


I used to take sickies cause I got sick of work. I think that's when you know it's time to change jobs. My new job is four days per week - Tuesday to Friday. So every weekend is a long one. I've been doing it for around six weeks and can't see myself ever going back to the 9-5 grind. It's a slow slow death.

Poida
WA, 1916 posts
16 Jul 2010 7:54PM
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Is there a good surf break where you are working????
I had a surf this morning and a sleep this afternoon, but I work for myself and will probably need to do a few hours over the weekend

Carantoc
WA, 6567 posts
16 Jul 2010 9:09PM
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You can't beat 'em - so why not join 'em ?

If it is so hard being the boss chuck it in, go work for some other sucker that will pay you while he buys you piss and then take a sickie

Spend all day laughing about what a sucker he is that he has to pay you.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
17 Jul 2010 10:35AM
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superlizard said...

how about if you feel sick of work..? I sometimes do... I just feel like i've had enough, and am so exhausted that i need to take a sickie ro recover psychologically...


I had my first 1/2 day off for this reason a couple of weeks ago...just couldn't focus, and was pretty agitated about a few decisions, so I took the afternoon off (although I spent most of it answering calls from clients on my mobile!). I was actually contemplating handing in my notice the following day, but after relaxing for most of the arvo, followed shortly after by a weekend away with the family, and the next week having an honest chat with the boss, things are back to normal & I'm enjoying work again.

A work colleague from NZ told me that where she worked they had 'mental health' days, and if you were too stressed, go home for the day. It gave her a huge respect for the company she worked for & she reckoned all the employees enjoyed their work, and it worked out that they only took 1 or 2 days a year on average, but that was enough.

As an ex-employer, I understand Cassa's frustration. I was lucky to have a couple of fantastic employees that led by example, and all new guys (apprentices) coming in tended to look up to them & not throw sickies...plus we had a pretty casual workplace, but we got the jobs done.

Cassa
WA, 1305 posts
20 Jul 2010 9:50PM
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My solution worked ( the full week off), got a longwinded call , full of , I;m so sorry I have been an idiot, so on so ,so on , it wont happen again( we wil see about that!) can I please ,please come back to work , so I let him return.
As for the comments that we are all entiteled to 10 days off per year, If you think thats OK , well I guess with that kind of attitude of spread throughout the workforce we , as a country that is supposed to be going forward, would soon be going the other way! Consider this ;- 20 employees, each taking their alotted 10 days off per year -- 200 days of lost time, do the sums , think about the employer trying to be competative, or the best at whatever he, they do , without having a reliable workforce. It just wouldnt work . Thank goodness MOST workers have a good work ethic and only take time off when it is really necessary.
I have no objection to that considering some of the highly contaigeous lurgies about at the moment.
Downsizing is the next option should I have to revert to other measures in the future, hope it doesnt come to that

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
21 Jul 2010 8:18AM
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Cassa said...

Consider this ;- 20 employees, each taking their alotted 10 days off per year -- 200 days of lost time, do the sums , think about the employer trying to be competative, or the best at whatever he, they do , without having a reliable workforce. It just wouldnt work .


Glad you got it sorted. As for the above comments, my employer factors those hours into his overhead charges...prob is, no-one throws sickies where I work (out of the 10 employees, lucky to use 10 days per year in total). So the 'poor' employer in this case isn't doing too bad out of it. On the flip side, if he didn't allow those charges in his overheads & everyone used their sick leave, he'd be screwed! No-win situation?

russh
SA, 3025 posts
21 Jul 2010 1:19PM
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superlizard said...

how about if you feel sick of work..? I sometimes do... I just feel like i've had enough, and am so exhausted that i need to take a sickie ro recover psychologically...


Its a well known phenomenon - known as Occupational Diarrhea (AKA Work is giving you the sh!ts)........ I suffer from time to time and require several hours of saltwater therapy to overcome it.





poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
21 Jul 2010 12:12PM
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As an Employer, Employees are your most valuable resource.
Without employees you have no business or at the very least no life.

Treat employees so that they feel appreciated, valued - an invaluable asset to the business even and i am sure your sick days will lessen - money is not everyones motivator.

If i was your employee i would have told you to shove your dull ass job up your arse.

Cassa
WA, 1305 posts
21 Jul 2010 6:12PM
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poor relative said...

As an Employer, Employees are your most valuable resource.
Without employees you have no business or at the very least no life.

Treat employees so that they feel appreciated, valued - an invaluable asset to the business even and i am sure your sick days will lessen - money is not everyones motivator.

If i was your employee i would have told you to shove your dull ass job up your arse.


Mungbean comments like that , I expect from you , 35 hrs per week for $800, as an 18yr old is good , no great money, he and I have a lot of fun at work ,as the rest of the crew do , you got to go every day so you might as well enjoy it .He just did the teenager thing and followed the pussy, we have all done that , and he regrets his shortcommings there.
In 30yrs employing people and learning to read them , my first impressions of them have always been right, so a zoob like you wouldnt have even got past the first day , and if you did get to the stage of telling me what to do with my job , the rest of the crew would have cracked up , I take great pleasure in the fact that , to date, I've had no quitters, and have never been sacked myself.
go back to your office job little johnny





poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
21 Jul 2010 6:48PM
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Cassa said...
so a zoob like you wouldnt have even got past the first day



I would have never done the first day to start with.
My skills are far more valuable.

whats that saying again...
pay peanuts get monkeys?



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