I heard on the news today that the do gooders of aus want to let the asylam seekers that run to our country in herds , in frigin boats, free ,to do whatever ,until their STATUS has been confirmed!!!!!, not be confined in a controlled environment to be asessed as they should be to make sure we dont end up with a country in 10 or so years , filled with those who have been brought up to believe that WE are the problem in this world .Looking at what has happened in the worlds society lately I think that our security in Australia has to be considered a little more thoughtfull than to say let em in,cause the doo-gooders say so. So much of the violence that occurs in aus today can (and Im not forgetting that we are also responseable , meaning aus born citizens) and is being spread by those of foreign descent .13000 !!!!new arrivals in the march quarter what does it mean to you and me I am not beating the racist stick , lots of my friends were born in macadonia, kalgoorlie, england,sweden, indonesia, italy, malaysia,Oh yeah and the kiwis, zac if you read this forum , a zulu from SA , great bloke,looking forward to a beer with you and your bro, but they all came in through strickt procedures, why change what worked so good..... sorry for the negative approch but I think if things keep going the way they are we are heading for many more security issues in the future........ Watch the movie The Kingdom that is a scary insight into the teachings of certain religions. Thats my 3 cents worth
i'm guessing i know what the problem is in the world. 
ok, i'll spell it out.... i n t o l e r a n c e
I heard in the news the Australian government was locking up men, women and children in prisons who apparently haven't committed any crimes.
Meanwhile people who commit serious crimes such as injuring police officers have their day in court and are let out to roam the streets of our fair towns.
Facism and nazi-ism followed by ethnic cleansing and outright mass murder happened in Germany in the 1930s because the GOOD people in Germany did nothing until it was too late.
We here should learn from that lesson. However it seems the only voices our pollies hear are those of the vociferous minorities such as the greenies, animal libbers and other assorted "do gooders".
I am sure that if the situation was reversed and it was boatloads of Australians trying to illegally enter Muslim countries, we would be shot at the borders.
The nations of "Western Civilisation" are being played for suckers because of our strong sense of fair play. Those that use it against us do not adhere to the same standards or rules.
Ask a western European, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian,or British person what they think about what has happened over there.
From the Australian point of view it is not a racist issue at all. It is plain and simply a "National Security" issue. Our generosity and tolerance is being played and preyed upon.
Protesting to the elected politicians I believe is a futile excercise as I believe they only do the bidding of the "Faceless Few". They have taken our guns from us and are flouridating our water so it looks like we are up the proverbial creek without paddles.
Time to "Wake Up Australia".
actually the most number of assylum seekers accepted into australia are from china. (hardly a muslem country)
and if you are so worried about terrorism you should really take a look at "Home grown terrorism" that has nothing to do with refugees.
some facts - www.refugeecouncil.org.au/arp/stats-02.html
and a few more - www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/
at the end of the day, racism is still racism even when wrapped into nationalism.
as i said originally,
the problem with the world today is intolerance, we can either be part of the cure or the cause. everyone has that choice.
cisco, i defiantely think people should accept and abide by australian rules if they move here.
but were do you draw the line. a simple example is the south africans i work with. they all still go for south africa in the cricket and rugby. i of course really wind them up about this......
Mark Aus,
i'm not saying that voicing a view that is not pro immigration is racist, or accusing you of being racist. i was pointing out that it's a fine line between patriotism and racism and that saying, one race of people may be terrorists etc purely because of their county or religion is prone to walking along that grey line. whether political correctness or not, innocence before being proven guilty and tolerance are things that sets australia apart from the rest of the world. that and our wicked sense of humour.
it's interesting that there has been a lot of studies into home grown terrorism in both the US and UK. what is being proven is that the second generation of immigrants are turning to extremist doctorines because they are feeling isolated and racially dissadvantaged.
some people feel that locking up assylum seekers doesn't work becasue of the reasons mentioned above regards tolerance and UN charters and is also prone to producing mentally unstable disaffected citizens.
but it was christians who poisoned, hunted and wiped out the indigenous peoples of the world... africa, australia, north america, etc..
terrorism...
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government
that definition above sounds to me more like the crap THIS western government uses against us rather than a made up threat from a bunch of towel heads looking for a better life...
to sumise the bigotism i'm reading here it kinda sounds like...
"fark off, we farked over the locals here to claim this place for ourselves well before youse cants, so we deserve it more"
with our country changing for the worst. 
with our country changing for the worst.
Mm seems to me that alot of us here want the Australia we had 15 years ago,only trouble is the way they keep letting anyone who drops in in a wooden boat, we are going down the same path as England.
The problem is there is nowhere like Aus that you can move too to feel safe.(new country that is)
My next move is definitely going to be to the far north west of WA, on the coast somewhere like Exmouth , you can leave ya car unlocked everyone is friendly and the lifestyle (except for the heat) is like Aus of old!! You gota be happy with that.
I stayed 2 nights with the asylam seekers befor bein deported,propper lockdown and laps arround the exercise yard kickin a ball,i never dropped the soap and slept with one eye open,,those boys came straight off the boat and into lock down and were still better off,one guy had been there for years and had learned to speak english fluent,the thing is they have got nothing to lose, at worst they get sent back with a education and after numorous appeals it can take years.I say if they prove worthy and love this land like me then thay should stay.
Quote "Rembering NOT to judge yesterday's actions by todays standards"
and not blaming the son for the sins of the father.
Quote "but the Koran says they must die."
Not sure that it exactly says that, but that is what the fundamentalists believe and that is their intention.
Judeaism, Islam and Christianity are all monotheist accepting the God of Abraham. They are also compatible. It is only some people who are not compatible.
Some alleged Jews kill other Jews, some alleged Muslims kill other Muslims and some alleged Christians kill other Christians. And some people kill anybody for the sake of killing and use some religious excuse to justify themselves.
Anybody that intentionally kills another cannot rightly claim to be a child of God.
DL , No Im not refering to before the white man colonized Aus ,my reference was to the time when we didnt have the amount of problems in society , many caused by religious beliefs of which most australians dont cause fear to society by carrying out violent acts based on religious beliefs, bali bombings,2 of, twin towers, madrid train bombings ,london bombings,and HUNDREDS of other attacks on inocent people throughout the world.
As I said years ago, Aus was pretty much void of all these actions, but if we keep letting anyone who floats a boat here free to walk in our community, there is no question that eventaully we too will have many of the problems that face much of the world today occuring here . I would hate to see the violent attacks that are happening regularly in the rest of the world become commonplace in Australia!
You will find almost all those terrorist attacks were not committed by people seeking asylum or "queue jumpers". All those attacks were committed by people who were either citizens of the countries that the attacks took place in or people who had a legal right to live in those countries.
So what do asylum seekers have to do with terrorist attacks?
Remember the most recent terrorist attack that took place in Australia, the Sydney Hilton Hotel bombings had nothing to do with refugees. The recent cases of alleged plans to commit terrorist attacks involve individuals who are Australian citizens who do not have a background of being refugees or asylum seekers.
Perhaps we should be considering Australia's immigration policy as a whole rather than concentrating on refugees. The numbers of refugees coming to Australia is only a very small fraction of the total number of people coming to Australia. Perhaps we should ask our governments to develop population policies in light of the benefits and costs of increasing or decreasing our population.
Quote "I won't go on...."
No please don't. Is the Koran to Muslims like the New Testament is to Christians?
If the verses you quoted are what they study and chant to themselves, there can be no negotiating with them. They are "Satanic Verses".
Judaism, Islam and Christianity are collectively known as "Abrahamic religions" because they trace their history to the covenant God made with Abraham in the Hebrew Bible.
here are some of the wars over the years based on religion
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war
I dont care about 2 pound poms either , or any other forieners who choose to live here like us.
I do care that if they do let all these boat floaters that keep coming( 11 this month!!!)free to walk amoungst us and that we are ,,or may end up with some security issues that might change the way we feel about life in Aus.
I would think that many people in america would get concerned about low flying planes now , where before 911 they were just planes overhead .
The last lot of bombers in indo spoke about the fact that they want to destroy Australia!! .does that not concern ANYONE!!
I just think PROPER secrity checks should be in place before they are set free here!!
This is a great place with a great diversity of people from all over, with lots to offer us , just let the right ones in.
911 was an inside job....... www.loosechange911.com
there was more to bali bomb than has been reported on the idiot box...... foolmetwice
The Bali Bombs had nothing to do with Religon, purely between Javanese and Balanese and the "jelouse trade" agreement.
