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Created by saltiest1 > 9 months ago, 22 Oct 2011
saltiest1
NSW, 2495 posts
22 Oct 2011 10:45AM
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Has anyone found any statistics for attacks based on numbers of people in the water being chomped, against the number of people on land getting hit by cars, lightning bees etc?
there are a lot more people not in the water at any 1 time than in it. i cant find any good figures.

FlySurfer
NSW, 4453 posts
22 Oct 2011 11:43AM
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over 270,000 sharks are murdered each and every day.

http://www.amcs.org.au/default2.asp?active_page_id=516

elmo
WA, 8723 posts
22 Oct 2011 8:52AM
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I am seriously more concerned about getting hit by lightening than shark attack when out sailing
that said i still sh1t myself when I fall of next to one

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
22 Oct 2011 11:09AM
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elmo said...

that said i still sh1t myself when I fall of next to one


Happens a lot does it?

saltiest1
NSW, 2495 posts
22 Oct 2011 12:12PM
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yeah i know the feeling. ive seen a lot in my time and not once have i been concerned once ive seen how calm they were.
im more interested in true figures that show the real numbers, as in for every 5 people in the water theres 500 not in it.

FlySurfer
NSW, 4453 posts
22 Oct 2011 12:57PM
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_attack

~60 attacks a year WORLDWIDE.... so 1 in 11.5 million, and a person's chance of getting killed by a shark is less than 1 in 264.1 million.


Loto may be a good investment vehicle for those with concerns.

Explanation for BigWaveDave:
If you're scared of sharks, it may be a good idea to not go in the water and instead buy some loto tickets.

FlySurfer
NSW, 4453 posts
22 Oct 2011 1:05PM
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Shark fin soup (or shark's fin soup) is a popular soup item of Chinese cuisine usually served at special occasions such as weddings and banquets, or as a luxury item in Chinese culture.

The shark fins provide texture while the taste comes from the other soup ingredients. There is controversy over the practice of shark finning. Consumption of shark fin soup has risen dramatically with the middle class becoming more affluent.

Finning is named as a primary contributing factor in the global decline of many shark species. Fishing fleets catch around 70 million sharks a year as of 2010.

As their income levels have increased, Chinese communities around the world are showing a greater demand for shark fins. This increase in demand, combined with the importance of this top predator in the ocean, has the potential to significantly alter oceanic ecosystems.

www.stopsharkfinning.net/shark-fin-soup.htm





PS: Sorry for hijacking this thread, but you reminded me!

weiry
QLD, 5396 posts
22 Oct 2011 12:23PM
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FlySurfer said...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_attack

~60 attacks a year WORLDWIDE.... so 1 in 11.5 million, and a person's chance of getting killed by a shark is less than 1 in 264.1 million.


Loto may be a good investment vehicle for those with concerns.

Explanation for BigWaveDave:
If you're scared of sharks, it may be a good idea to not go in the water and instead buy some loto tickets.


So how many chinese and indians have even entered the water There are millions that have never swum in the ocean, that stat is crap

saltiest1
NSW, 2495 posts
22 Oct 2011 2:01PM
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FlySurfer said...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_attack

~60 attacks a year WORLDWIDE.... so 1 in 11.5 million, and a person's chance of getting killed by a shark is less than 1 in 264.1 million.


Loto may be a good investment vehicle for those with concerns.

Explanation for BigWaveDave:
If you're scared of sharks, it may be a good idea to not go in the water and instead buy some loto tickets.





see the above is the problem. its not a stat that covers the entire global population. not everyone goes in the ocean, and some only a few times a year, others every day. still others dont go more than knee deep, others a few km out.
so you can see the flaw in the "more likely to get killed by a bee" line.

saltiest1
NSW, 2495 posts
22 Oct 2011 11:59PM
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much sympathy to the family of the latest.

elmo
WA, 8723 posts
22 Oct 2011 10:05PM
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ikw777 said...

elmo said...

that said i still sh1t myself when I fall of next to one


Happens a lot does it?


Gybed over em
fell in next to em
Had one swim past me when on a surf board between it and a school of salmon
and been ambushed by one

Lightning still scares me more

{edit}
However if i do see one nearby, I do scarper, the high pitched whine you may hear in my passing is a warning to others in the area and not me squealing like a little Biatch

FlySurfer
NSW, 4453 posts
6 Nov 2011 3:19PM
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I'm appalled at the failure of the world's environment leaders to increase trade protections for some of the Earth's most vulnerable and heavily traded shark species which is why I signed this petition:
http://www.projectaware.org/sharkpetition

Proposals to restrict trade in eight shark species failed at the last Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species in 2010 representing victory for, short-term economic interests over science and the myriad long-term benefits of conservation.

Sign the petition and let's tell Governments loud and clear: sharks are vital to our ecosystem and deserve better protection.

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
6 Nov 2011 4:04PM
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saltiest1 said...

FlySurfer said...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_attack

~60 attacks a year WORLDWIDE.... so 1 in 11.5 million, and a person's chance of getting killed by a shark is less than 1 in 264.1 million.


Loto may be a good investment vehicle for those with concerns.

Explanation for BigWaveDave:
If you're scared of sharks, it may be a good idea to not go in the water and instead buy some loto tickets.





see the above is the problem. its not a stat that covers the entire global population. not everyone goes in the ocean, and some only a few times a year, others every day. still others dont go more than knee deep, others a few km out.
so you can see the flaw in the "more likely to get killed by a bee" line.


yep, i would like to see the odds on someone who surfs 3 to 4 times a week.

and what about surfers who surf 3 to 4 times a week in the southern states- vic, sa and wa .

surely their odds of getting attacked would be greater

pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
6 Nov 2011 2:56PM
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FlySurfer said...

I'm appalled at the failure of the world's environment leaders to increase trade protections for some of the Earth's most vulnerable and heavily traded shark species which is why I signed this petition:
http://www.projectaware.org/sharkpetition

Proposals to restrict trade in eight shark species failed at the last Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species in 2010 representing victory for, short-term economic interests over science and the myriad long-term benefits of conservation.

Sign the petition and let's tell Governments loud and clear: sharks are vital to our ecosystem and deserve better protection.


Yeah,.. and while you're at it, sign another petition to stop governments using mini nukes for demolitions in central business districts!

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
6 Nov 2011 6:46PM
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saltiest1 said...

Has anyone found any statistics for attacks based on numbers of people in the water being chomped, against the number of people on land getting hit by cars, lightning bees etc?
there are a lot more people not in the water at any 1 time than in it. i cant find any good figures.


I'm an estimator... Here's my crack at the answer...

I believe we average less than 1 fatal shark attack for year. Lately, WA stats are bad...

For simplified calculations, let's keep the number round;
1 attack in 20 Million Aussies (there's probably another 2 Million here who aren't ridgey didge Aussie, but I digress! ).
Lets say the average Australian goes in the "open waters" for a swim and bathe, on average 10 times per year. So that would make the stats about 10 x 20M, 1 in 200 Million Chance.... very roughly. Increase it to 15 visits, and you get to 1 in 300 Million Chance.

Road Users - lets say the average Aussie takes to the road 500 times per year. That's 10,000 Million Trips or 10 Billion uses of the road. Very roughly.

1600 deaths per year, roughly (improving nearly 3,000 in the 1980's).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_toll

So 10 Billion divided by 1600 deaths = 1 in 6,250,000 chance of dying on the roads.

If you increased the "road uses" figure, you might round it up to 1 in 10 Million chance on the roads....

So on those assumptions, the chances are roughly;
Road Death - 1 in 10 Million
Shark Attack - 1 in 200 Million




Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
6 Nov 2011 6:54PM
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Based on kilometres travelled;

20 Millions Aussies, average 10,000km travelled on roads per year = 200 Billion Kilometres, and 1600 deaths = 1 death per 125 Million Kilometres Travelled.

200 Million Trips in the sea, with an average duration of say 15 minutes, distance may only be 100 metres... assume short distances on average... = 200 Million x 0.1km = 20 Million Kilometres. Or 1 death per 20 Million Kilometres.

As they say, there is more than 1 way to skin a cat....

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
6 Nov 2011 6:56PM
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You could re-run the calculations based on Time Estimates... But I really can't be fagged!!

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
6 Nov 2011 3:59PM
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In Australia In the last 20 years, there have been 24 recorded fatalities due to shark attacks, which averages 1.2 per year.
In the last 50 years, there have been 52 recorded fatalities due to shark attack, which averages 1.04 per year.


On the other hand there have been 2-3 deaths per year from Bee stings.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
6 Nov 2011 7:36PM
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Statistics can prove anything. 89.6% of people know that.

To compare death from shark attacks to deaths lightning, bee stings, car accidents or meteor strike is misleading. Someone living in Mongolia or Chad is probably never going to see a shark let alone be attacked by one.

However someone living in coastal Australia who enjoys swimming at dusk and dawn in river esturies while menstruating or with open cuts while mullet are running may have a reasonable chance of getting attacked by a shark.

The fact is humans kill heaps of sharks all the time. The fact is 99% of thes sharks we catch are not the sort that attack people. The fact is its illegal to kill one of the most dangerous types of sharks, the Great White. The fact is Great White numbers are increasing, plus their favoured prey, whales are increasing in numbers too. So the fact is we are going to get more shark attacks as there are more dangerous sharks around and more people in the water.



Scotty88
4214 posts
6 Nov 2011 4:36PM
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The stats give me little comfort I can tell you. All those stats about you have more chance of dying from a bee sting, struck by lightning, etc are bull****.
I have only been SUPing for 8 months and I am much less concerned about sharks then when I started.
20 years ago I was rowing a surf boat in between the heads of Botany Bay when our sweep told us to stop rowing and pointed to a shark fin approx 30 metres away. It was a 14ft Bronze Whaler and it brushed along side the boat. Scary although we felt safe in the boat.
This spot is 2k from where I do most of my paddling now. Another time we saw a 4 ft shark of Yarra Bay which is exactly where I paddle now. Yes, I know they are out there and I am sure I will experience my first encounter soon. Especially since the government banned commercial fishing in Botany Bay i.e. More fish = more sharks.
I like to think they only swim on the surface - God only knows how many sharks have swam under me.

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
6 Nov 2011 8:30PM
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Mobydisc said...


To compare death from shark attacks to deaths lightning, bee stings, car accidents or meteor strike is misleading.


Of course it can be misleading...
But what I put forward is a fair representation for Australian's. Of course, if you're a high water user, you can probably say you go into the ocean 200 times per year, instead of 10 times as put forward above.

This would bring the likelihood of a car accident death "roughly on par" with a shark attack. Obviously certain beaches and locations are safer than others... So if you frequent sharky waters, the odds start to stack up against you.... if you want to hone into a particular person's circumstances...

The above stuff is just un-biased generalisations, to give examples on how I would answer the question / question interpretation.



laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
6 Nov 2011 7:38PM
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Simondo said...

saltiest1 said...

Has anyone found any statistics for attacks based on numbers of people in the water being chomped, against the number of people on land getting hit by cars, lightning bees etc?
there are a lot more people not in the water at any 1 time than in it. i cant find any good figures.


I'm an estimator... Here's my crack at the answer...

I believe we average less than 1 fatal shark attack for year. Lately, WA stats are bad...

For simplified calculations, let's keep the number round;
1 attack in 20 Million Aussies (there's probably another 2 Million here who aren't ridgey didge Aussie, but I digress! ).
Lets say the average Australian goes in the "open waters" for a swim and bathe, on average 10 times per year. So that would make the stats about 10 x 20M, 1 in 200 Million Chance.... very roughly. Increase it to 15 visits, and you get to 1 in 300 Million Chance.

Road Users - lets say the average Aussie takes to the road 500 times per year. That's 10,000 Million Trips or 10 Billion uses of the road. Very roughly.

1600 deaths per year, roughly (improving nearly 3,000 in the 1980's).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_toll

So 10 Billion divided by 1600 deaths = 1 in 6,250,000 chance of dying on the roads.

If you increased the "road uses" figure, you might round it up to 1 in 10 Million chance on the roads....

So on those assumptions, the chances are roughly;
Road Death - 1 in 10 Million
Shark Attack - 1 in 200 Million






how about the people that are in the water 3 to 4 times a week in oz. there must be some figures around on how many australians do that

rune
WA, 193 posts
6 Nov 2011 6:41PM
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Statistics can prove anything. 89.6% of people know that.


Statistics show that 6 out of 7 dwarves aren't Happy!

mort69
WA, 178 posts
6 Nov 2011 7:10PM
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one out the front of my place, one at your place, one at cott and that was just yesterday,whites that is,hope they go away with the whales soon or well all be taking fire arms into the surf haha,i belive you can defend your self against the critters if your life is in danger

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
6 Nov 2011 7:20PM
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If you're worried about being taken by a shark don't go in the water.
Risk immediatly eliminated.

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
6 Nov 2011 9:24PM
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go the wave pools

saltiest1
NSW, 2495 posts
6 Nov 2011 10:45PM
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definately not worried about being eaten, many encounters with sharks (not intentional) have taught me that im probably gonna be ok. was just sick of the common incorrect spruiking of them stats.
hey those wave pools, what are they like to surf in?

barn
WA, 2960 posts
6 Nov 2011 9:10PM
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laceys lane said...

FlySurfer said...

over 270,000 sharks are murdered each and every day.

http://www.amcs.org.au/default2.asp?active_page_id=516


animals get killed, people get murdered. lets keep it in perspective


Ecosystems get destroyed, hairless bipedal apes in plague proportions get chomped. Thats perspective.

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
7 Nov 2011 1:41PM
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Simondo said...

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So on those assumptions, the chances are roughly;
Road Death - 1 in 10 Million
Shark Attack - 1 in 200 Million


I fall in more if it's choppy though.


aaah, stats.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
7 Nov 2011 10:57AM
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barn said...

laceys lane said...

FlySurfer said...

over 270,000 sharks are murdered each and every day.

http://www.amcs.org.au/default2.asp?active_page_id=516


animals get killed, people get murdered. lets keep it in perspective


Ecosystems get destroyed, hairless bipedal apes in plague proportions get chomped. Thats perspective.


Lets add more foxes and see if that works ay barn?

Roar
NSW, 471 posts
7 Nov 2011 2:54PM
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check out this trailer:

holytaco.com

"Dont go in the pool" :)



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