spikeysteve said..Not afraid of a robust discussion, just not interested in getting to a war about vaccination with some dude on the internet who is stalking my posts (!?!) on other forums. Got better stuff to do with my time. So this will be my last post on the matter
since you asked so nicely, i will provide some links to EBM stuff before i sign off.
Now keep in mind that i am not saying EBM is bad, only that it has limitations that I as a clinician have to face everyday as i make clinical decisions. One of the main criticisms of EBM is that anything less than a double blind RCT is seen as inferior evidence. Chiropractic, and other holistic interventions, dont lend themselves well to double blind RCT - i need to see who i am treating, and i know whether i think that my treatment will be effective or not.
chiropractic has heaps of clinical evidence, but is commonly written off because 'its not enough, we need an RCT'
I look forward to more research, and I donate money each year for chiropractic research.
how much evidence do we really have?
bestpractice.bmj.com/info/evidence-information/bias in medical trials
www.ted.com/talks/ben_goldacre_what_doctors_don_t_know_about_the_drugs_they_prescribe.htmlor from the editor or the new England journal of medicine
ethicalnag.org/2009/11/09/nejm-editor/The chiropractor who was interviewed on catalyst, and his response to the program
www.libertychiropractic.com.au/blog/tag/catalyst/Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too - Voltaire
Thanks for your contribution, if you hadn't called me a "small-minded fundamentalist a$$hole" in your first post then we might have had a more friendly discussion.
Your 4 links:
How we categorise outcomes in evidence based medicine (ok, things aren't black and white, that's expected, but science better than no science)
Big Pharma bad mmmkay
Big Pharma bad mmmkay (Yes, but almost as much $$ in Big Woo these days, doesn't justify big Woo's problems, 2 wrongs etc)
Tony Croke responds to Catalyst vid.
Re no. 4. Of course he has a response - he's on the board of the Shonky peak body, and he looks a fool in the vid.
As for his his research stats - may or may not be right - I don't have the research power.
As for his claim that he was a fully paid member of AVN for the "alternative viewpoint" as here
Well here is his son, also a Chiropractor, liking horrible anti-vax rubbish
And here is his wife, who is listed as part of his practice, liking AVN posts:
Here
ama.com.au/ausmed/node/4622Tony Croke is saying he "doesn't meet chiropractors who are anti-vax". Apparently he's never met his own family.
