Fellas need some advice.
Is there anyway to reduce the severity of landing when doing the above move.
Got the front roll, downloop, and if need be transitions down pat the the one mentioned above I'm trying to reduce the impact of landing. I know you will always be more powered up than the front roll down loop, but any tips of at least minimising the speed and impact for a downloop back roll? My older ankles are screaming. Landing 90 percent of them, but they are fast and hard.
When should initiate the loop, where have the kite, etc etc. cheers guys.
Jump higher. Gives the kite more time to head to 12... Thus catching you.
EDIT: I also find by yanking the bar with one arm to my chest also helps. Let the other arm go free. Looks/feels sick.
My recommendations for learning this move are:
1- Have backroll transitions perfected
2- Approach the move as though you are going to do a transition ie Slowly
3- Pop the board as low ( don't pop for height ) and almost directly to the wind as you can. Don't try and throw rotation as hard as you would for a backroll, though it like you only want to do half rotation ( the kite will pull you through the other half of the rotation)
4- Fly the kite as if you are going to do a transition when you feel it start to lift you pull real hard on the back hand and keep it pulled in till you spot your landing.
5- As you feel more confident approach the trick faster and faster.
My experience with loops is that it is all about on how fast you are travelling when you go into the loop. I.e. how much forward speed you have while travelling on the water before you initiate the trick. Do it slowly, and you get a pussy loop (my preference given my age and fear of broken ribs and enemas), do it fast and you get a powered loop with hard landings.
My introduction to down loops came by accident when I was learning to front roll and kept pulling on my front hand causing the kite to downloop, generally while I was flying backwards and upside down, a particularly painful way of doing them so I can vouch for the wrong way to do downloops from personal experience.
Thanks guys good advice. A little contradictory in that some say go higher some say go lower. What is consistent is the need to not over- rotate, just go 180 then initiate loop, pop the board into the wind with the kite lower and initiate near 11, 12. This makes sense as the kite I fly hints the edge of the window, it is a technical kite in that regards, and needs speed in the wing to loop all the way round and line tension. What you have described would allow for this. I will try and let you know.
Saffer the downloop is not the problem, it is the back loop. Downloop transitions say with a forward roll are easy enough, although I think the same principles apply from above. Will apply to the above to them as well as even then sometimes I came in way to hot.
You are right they feel incredible when you get them right, ( the back loop with a back roll), just want to nail that 10 percent that is destroying my ankles.
Ta again.
Ps more red thumbs hey, love the find out who this is, you are really spoiling this forum from my perspective of course. Don't be this rubbish on the other forum but then again there are more experienced crew on that one, less spineless kooks who mow the lawn and tell their wank buddies hey man I kite. No ya don't, get back to me after 10 years ya shmucks.
Hey epp I see you said spin 180 and then crank the loop ,try delaying a little longer before throwing the loop especially if your on a quick kite I usually stall a bit longer cos the loop will slow the rotation sounds like your a bit early.
Yo Eppo, here's one for ya.
When riding in preffered direction for backroll, have kite at 10:30/10:45, power up, realease front hand, edge real hard (upwindish), throw body into aggresive back roll with pop, after 180 degrees, mongrel bar towards ya (remember your only using one hand), kite will whip you up, as it is doing it's loop and throw you into a second spin, so becomes a double back with only one twist in your lines.
When done correctly, it is the most incredible feeling, if you try to back out half way thru, your gonna eat caca.
Have fun. Veebs
Disclaimer:, learning this may not be good for your ankles
The Progression advanced dvd goes through backroll kiteloops. Watch the dvd. If you still can't fix it, chances are that you won't be able to describe what's going wrong so post a video.
Try a smaller kite. Seen you in exmouth nearly always on a kite size bigger than everyone else. Kite should be nicely powered with the bar pulled all the way in. It's all in the timing.
The day I saw you I was on a 8m vapor x when you were on a 10m Varial x and I'm over a 100kegs
this is what forums are for! Everyone enjoying themselves and learning things... 
I find throwing the kite loop when your about halfway through your rotation gives you a bit more time to spot your landing, try to get some air off a kicker as well that'll put more power in your loop and bring your rotation round faster.
this is what forums are for! Everyone enjoying themselves and learning things...
CA - oh chartered accountant exam right...sounds like a barrel of laughs mate! Spent 6 years doing 50 exams in total in my time, damn physics and maths I didn't really get and still don't...never, ever want to go there again.
Yeh I suppose the outbursts are stupid, but if you go through the forum nearly every post i make is being red thumbed my some moronic imbecile who probably sits in a corner fingering his own ass for kicks. Even the less controversial ones I make. I feel someone needs to look into his Freudian/Oedipus past and stop trying to bang is own mother.
pss Hope that made ya laugh again and good luck mate in your exams. Better you than me
Farq I line your attitude. Seriously you've just reminded me of my main motive to harden the farq up. Needed that juicerrider thanks buddy
eppo, when you next go to sandy bay, look out for a frail looking white haired old man, he was dropped off there every day last week by his wife, she looks even more frail and cant seem to be able to walk without a stick. They look about 80 years old. I didnt talk to him or know who he was but watch him kite, and he is out there doing kiteloops too.
If watching him deosnt give you the inspiration to go hard and fast then nothing will.
But seriously boots and rocker help. I cant land fast without boots now. Actually I cant even kite without them now.
Hey Eppo
When it comes to ankle or knee pressure - it starts from your heels and impacts its way up.... Loop boost roll chop whatever - take a 'serious' look at your footpads if thats your prefered option.
For the normal kiter, the ones that come with the 'Whatever' brand board will be fine.
However, as youre just starting to find out - add some height or a Loopey thingy with bad timed Meteorite Re-entry speed and the whole dynamics to 'Landing Joint Impact' changes considerably....
After trying lots of brands and though some hold very well in big wipeouts - its the Pads (not straps) that still arnt up to sctratch when **landing Hard**
At Hold the line kites - i saw a new wooden twintip board that had a very well designed cushioning/impact pad.
I found the same base pad on another website and Very Cheap - so bought a set and they are the very best ive tried when it comes to Landings and wipeouts.... some of the guys who ride boots have been very suprised that I dont lose my board...
From the boots point of sure they wont come off - but to date they still dont have the cushioning system (yes Ive done my Homework) to match the impact load my base pads have...
As soon as you drop out of the sky in them youll understand the difference, if you want to demo or find out where I got mine - send me a Pm
I second what save the whales said re the footpads and heavy landings...
After cracking two boards right under the heels ( both cracks about 2inches long ) ....I made my own cushioning which sits under the normal pads....
I am not sure what you call the stuff but is like a non slip material about 2-3mm thick ( i doubled it up with two layers so 4-6mm ) It is super spongey wilth a sort of grid pattern ( holes inbetween ) Cut it to shape and put it under the foot pads
I had liquid force luxury footpads ( super comfy pads ) and the air cells popped on both.. ...so i added the above, I have just last week made a second set for my nobile footpads and used them on Sat ...completly transformed the ride feel.
I will upload a pic of the stuff over the weekend.
Yeh good advice about the cushioning although that not the problem accept on the cardboard wave. So pics would be good. On the shinn the foot straps have member foam and are comfortable as.
Anyhow a big thanks to you guys for all your advice. Went out today and I can safely say I can nail every back roll, back loop. With your advice I also had the privilege and watching a dude on a wainman smoke land every one, so just spent the next 30 minutes watching closely.
He uses very little height and continues with a smooth continual movement of the kite near 12 then hard loop. So in the end got it Sussed awesome.
Tried the underhand grab the bar thing for other down and back loops, farq me the kite loops quick but I kept getting my right and left farqed up, kept dropping it in the drink!! Any advice big fella on that. Also the pulled the bar to the chest that works well.
I can see the kite I use has to stay moving at all times as it is not a plug and play. Been talking to guy in the uk who been at this longer than anyone I know and he explained gotta get ya timing right with this kite.
So all good. The dude I was watching was apparently watching me doing my forward roll, downloop transitions, so that was funny. I reckon they are easier myself. Anyhow got some advice from him on the old dark slide mentioned ages ago. So gave that a crack. Pulled off only one though( sort of), but then he told me only the tail of the board needs contact with the water, I was trying to ride the entire rail! Anyhow that's for next time.
And VBs move as well. Love this sport. Alway something to try.
