Select to expand quoteDC23 said...
my Ideal mutent board would be something between the CB Wave and Ocean Rodeo Mako 150 or Mako King.
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From the Mako:
- i like the rounded tips
- large deck pad and with straps
From the CB Wave:
- similar outline of the board but with rounded tips
- double concave bottom
- 2 small fins on the front, thruster at the tail.
i also think foot straps that are much wider (2-3 x wider than your foot) would be a good thing to try out.
your feet would not be locked in as much as normal straps so you can move your foot position back and forth on the board from central to tail bias.
Having ridden the mako I reckon you are on to something here man....I mean it, you seriously are...
Select to expand quoterydo said...
I am thinking about building a mutant based on the cardboard wave. I want to keep construction reasonably simple for my first board so was going to use a few layers of thin marine ply resined together to form the rocker. Then to seal the timber I think I will use marine varnish.
For the front fins I will just use standard tt fins but for the rear thruster setup I was thinking I could resin some fcs plugs into the ply
Then I could cut down some old fins to the right size.
does anybody know if this could work?
yeh gotta be able to change finnage: for the CB wave...
1. Flat water: Wake fins at back only...
2. Surf, but choppy flat: Just two smaller thrusters, sides only
3. Surf, some waves, but still more boosting/transitions etc: Two of the standard side thruster fins only
4. Surf pumping - All three thrusters standard size
5. Surf crankin: Get a SB!
You know what. I never thought there was so many latent mutant users out there!.
no mutant discussion is complete without looking ay decays Cutlass.
Now that is a thing of beauty.
I definitely feel that any modern mutant should have surfboard type rails. I find that riding waves on my Shinn would be better if the rails were more forgiving, particularly when working up and down the wave face. This may affect the boards upwind ability, which is exceptional, but is worth the trade off.
The main problem with mutants is the nose rocker and foot placements.
You want more nose rocker when wave riding and less when riding out.
You want your feet closer to the tail when wave riding and closer to the nose when riding out.
If you had a flexible nose that stayed up naturally but could be flattenened when using a foostrap closer to the nose it might work better on the way out
Slingshot had the Fuse for a few seasons a couple of years back. Great board for sloppy waves or wind slop but no real substitute for a surf board. I still use it on those mushy days where the slop can get a bit much to push through toe side on the surf board.
Hey Plummet and Friends
I ride a RRD toxic wave 2, a 155cm small wave board that you can ride backwards no probs at all .......Cons- it feels like a 130cm twin tip in the backward hand so you need to be powered up so you can plane out through the surf , however it is nice and easy to ride, no surprises it doesn't nosedive, edges upwind very well .
Pro,s Rides fantastic on a wave and flat when in the prefer-ed direction. It has a couple of stance set ups, and is able to set up for your stance( natural or goofy), I am goofy footed so no one wants to borrow it (even better) I stood it next to a spleen zone and they looked very similar in all dimensions , fantastic wave riding board that you can ride through all conditions heel side . less fatigue, and safe if you end up in the wrong place if the surf gets ugly , Hope this gives you an idea ,cheers JGF
I'm surprised no one has said this yet...
But mutants are so ghey... 
If you wanna ride waves get a surfboard, if you wanna boost off said waves get a twin tip...!?
If you wanna do both get a half-surfboard/half-twintip?
Otherwise known as a ......?
Hi Plummet,
I've been using a strapless mutant in marginal conditions for ages... skim board's the way to go. Cheap fun thrills that doesn't punish the body when things don't go as planned.
Many options to choose from including finless Zaps, homemade plywood job or shop variety skate or skim.
Plenty of inspiration to be found on www.losethestraps.com
Let us know the direction you take with respect to mutants.
Cheers
Well i mutantersied my TT and went for a hoon. Well what that ment was i move the foot straps back to one side and drilled in 3 fins. My TT It a Decay Katana. It looks like the decay cutlass about infact its the same size 142x 42. So its a wave TT. But it has standrad fool placement and fins.
I only had TT fins. but none the less i enjoyed the experiment. So i am going to make a mutant probably on the lines of the Decay cutlass and the cb wave.
I think i want more TT style than surf style. I'm not driven to constantly ride down the line like a hardcore surfer. I want the some of the aspects of TT riding and some of the aspects of Sb riding. I'm looking foward to the build.
However i need to build my boy a hotwheels longboard skateboard first. so it may be a month or so before the build starts.
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I think i want more TT style than surf style. I'm not driven to constantly ride down the line like a hardcore surfer. I want the some of the aspects of TT riding and some of the aspects of Sb riding. I'm looking foward to the build.
Yeh that's where the CB wave sits more on the tt side of the spectrum, and same as you, that is what I was looking for. Now and then I crank up on a sb when the swell is worth it, and you will never get the same feel and flow of a sb, but for 90 percent of the time the cb wave is the go. Didn't get the sb virus it seems, but I must say a sb on an awesome day rocks. But how many of them do we get?
^^
I'm with eppo here. Most of the places I surf/kite are less than average in wave quality. The mutant allows me to use the surf zone more like a skate park - bouncing off the faces and carving in the flats. I don't jump due to previous injuries but I love hitting the walls hard and making big powered sweeping turns.
I've surfed all my life and understand the surfing ethos but for me a surfboard is for early mornings on uncrowded beaches, not blown out mush which we get too often, but is paradise on a mutant.
Enjoy to the fullest whatever your passion is. Life is short.
KIT33R you also didn't catch the SB disease! Me too man, cold early morning winter swells....that's the ticket!
But there are a few occasions locally when the SB on the kite is the only way to go.
^^ Ewe two are trouble makers with all that fancy sense and logic you are talkin.
We don't like folks who think for themselves around here 
Best you be gittin on a SB and kiddin yarself you is smashin it in double head-high.. like the rest of the sheeple on metro onshore mush. 
BTW - over summer i tried a CB wave, Underground SRF and North X-ride.
Personally the CB wave was awesome but I would have liked the option to put straps more central.
Agree with Eppo - CB Wave's upwind ability with thruster forward was outstanding. Liked a lot about it (and SRF was decent too) but at the end of the day I still like a standard TT with a surf-ish outline and tips, with twin fins and no thruster.
I miss the ability to choose whether I want to go for a bit of mush natural or goofy with same response/tracking either direction.
Strange I know - but I kind of like pushing smaller twin fins until they are starting to break out too, the gouge/slide/recover is great fun. Keeps it interesting.
North 136 X-ride was excellent but would have liked to try the 140 model for even better plaining on waves. North S-curve fins held very well for littlies.
Well i have to admit that i am in the world class wave/wind machine here. it is astoundingly good compared to every other place i've kitesurfed in NZ. So waves are good on a regular basis at my local and down the coast 30-50 mins on any day of the week you will be unluckly not to find head height plus waves.
So.... most of the kiters locally are hardcore knarly ex surfers and windsurfers and 80% of the riders are dedicated to SB's. They shred it up something fierce on the sb's. there is no 2 ways about that.
but my style is different. So i think the Mutant will suit my style perfectly. Bring on the bamboo mutant.
Watch this space.
Then I could cut down some old fins to the right size.
