""Its hard to pull the blinkers off and open your mind to outside ideas...""
Blinkers?... Yeah right haha.
Best thing is, this time you are not only disagreeing with me and telling me "I need to open my mind"** but your hero 100 times world champ AH agrees with me to hahaha. Must be pretty shattering for you. Maybe you should write him an email?... hahaha.
**(Which is stupid, I would tell you to wake up and open your's but I'm smart enough to know this is an internet forum and people have their own points of view on things.)
""and they are missing out on a whole different world of possibilities and fun.""
Say's who? hahaha. you? How do you know that? hahaha.
""And hate to bag out Dre, but I watched an old kite DVD the other day, and all his passes were with kite 'at lunch'. Unfortunately thats how good moves start, looking pretty sloppy, learning the move, and the pass, then with time and practice dialling it in and making it better and adding the style. ""
Your point being? Are you trying to make excuses for people dangling? I dont get it... Wakestyle has been around long enough now that "the worlds best" should have progressed beyond dangling in comps.
Blinkers?... Yeah right haha.
Best thing is, this time you are not only disagreeing with me and telling me "I need to open my mind"** but your hero 100 times world champ AH agrees with me to hahaha"
Nah I think they're called tickets.......... on yourself. Hah, hah
what i dont get it? ^^^ what are tickets? are you selling them for a donkey show?
"And hate to bag out Dre, but I watched an old kite DVD the other day, and all his passes were with kite 'at lunch'. Unfortunately thats how good moves start, looking pretty sloppy, learning the move, and the pass, then with time and practice dialling it in and making it better and adding the style."
fair comment but what you did there is compare old with new.. its like taking a mitsi evo 2 and comparing it with a evo 9 as in over time things get better more refined etc. what hadlow is showing there is that comp riding is not doing this refining at the moment as the level of riding is the same and what scores good vs what doesnt hasnt changed when it should have.
another point to make here is that comp riders shouldnt be "learning tricks" or throwing stuff they JUST learnt in comps, they should be throwing their more powered and refined tricks to show what they got down packed with more power and fluidity right?
and then again we are only addressing COMPETITION in this thread so you cant say there are some guys who are so paranoid about kite low that they throw down like sh!t instead of cloud dancing with technicality when there are more experienced cloud dancers that can throw down with a bit more power in the comp arena.. like you said apples and oranges. we can only draw and compare on proffessionals/ex competitors or current competitors for comparison in this debate.
Kite height is not the be all end all of life but it is a MAJOR contributor that has a great influence on how well a trick turns out, and that is why it is one of the things that really has to have emphasis put on during judging.
so lets use a mobe 5 to explain
low kite
1. need more speed and power to produce same level of pop as in kite high
2. when bar is dropped you dont have a parachute effect dampening the fall, instead you have more horizontal pull adding more consequence = good for showmanship aswell as showing they are risking their bodies to throw down.
3. without the upwards pull effect the trick has more flow start to finish and less jerky movements or stalls in the trick
High kite
1. less power and speed is needed for the pop
2. more time to pass because you have more float effect due to kite's upward pull
3. when bar is missed you get more of a parachute effect.
4. due to the pull tricks turn out more jerky and less fluid.
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What you talking about? Define what aspect of Hadlow and Lenten you think we don't have?, the marketing and name?... The reason we don't have guys like that is because we don't have kids with rich parents that are willing to send them around the world all the time. We have some unreal riders, it's just that they aren't promoted, this sport isn't about how good you ride (for the most part) but who you know.
What about Andy yates? He is up there with the best freestylers in the world.
I would say we have the best waveriders in the world to.
Not to mention there are/ were alot of the best wakestyle riders in the world here as well... Cam Barker i'm pretty sure was the first to land a FS720 in Aus and maybe even the world.
I agree that WA is unreal and i'm suprised their isn't more good kiters comming from there.
As for expense, yes it may not be as expensive in the long run as Snowboarding but snowboarding is alot more famliy friendly and you dont have to wait for wind.
Skating is the best sport when it comes to simple cheap boardsport, all you need is a skatey and a park or some concrete, no waiting for wind or waves.
It's easy to see why more people don't kite.
If you guys re-read my first post, you'll see that I am agreeing with AH, and Charl, and hate to say it- but Rowdy too. I agree that kite-low powered tricks are harder than kite high moves. BUT only if they're the same move, I then go on to add a few variables which might alter the value of a trick in terms of difficulty etc... boring, not gonna cover old ground...
My point about Dre was fairly obvious I thought, but I'll spell it out. He gets alot of cred from wakestyle fans for being the style-meister, but only a few short years ago he was doing his moves just like the dangle-kings you hate so much. My thoughts are that for trick progression, you need to stick the trick first. even if its slow, sloppy, high-kite, dangly cloud-dancing whatever. But once you have bagged the trick, the natural progression is to improve it, make it faster, smoother, more powered, get your kite lower and all those things that seperate just a landed trick, from a stylish one.
This translates to modern competition, and you might not like it, but a move like a KL air passed 7 is gonna score higher than a straight mobe. You might consider it dangly, unstylish and cloud climbing, but the simple fact is- its harder to do.
Give it a few years and those high passed not-so-smooth tricks will improve in style and power. Its progression and its already happening.
There are still alot of issues with judging a heat fairly, but that comes back to the myriad of variations that go into a move, again I think the trick should be looked at as a whole, not purely on the angle of the kite. And if kite angle is so damn important to you, then why even bother with kiting? just stick to wake boarding. If your power source when you're riding is so controllable and full of options (high, low, looped straight downwind etc) why not use it? Why fix hard out rules and limitations on yourself? If we all did that and rode with our kites no higher than 45 degrees, the world would never have seen a Lenten megaloop, a Mark Shinn triple front varial transition, Tom Herbert runnig on water, and you'd never get to experience a 10 second flight off the top of a wave when the winds howling and you line up a big ramp when maxed out.
Kitings fun, drop the rules, lets see where freestyle can go!! 
"Nah I think they're called tickets.......... on yourself. Hah, hah"
"I don't get it... Do go on."
I could but I dont want to sh@t bash everyone with a different opinion to me......
Nah, I'll give......
OK, youngin' its a surfing term from the 80's that derives from frustrated semi-pro surfers with talent who derive their ego from a sport/hobby but cant make a living from it and therefore have subliminal issues as to what they are actually going to do with themselves so pump themselves up from putting others down. They sell raffle tickets of themselves due the inflated price of what the product is actually worth.
Someone who talks about themselves is boring, someone who talks about others is a gossip and someone who talks to you and about you is a master at conversation. Mate with all your wisdom you could actually help
Oh. by the way its not critisism its feedback
Oh, I missed a few commas, is that all you've got. Learn to take as much as you give
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Rowdy, you're a d1ckhead. I try and write reasonable posts on the forum to contribute something positive to kiting. I appreciate you don't like my ideas, and thats ok, but cool your tone and hate a little.
In this thread alone you have called some international pro-riders spoilt rich kids, bagged out WA riding and generally flamed on anyone who has a different opinion to you.
If your intention really is to improve Australian kiting- and make it Legit, how bout leading from the front? actions speak louder than words.
Are you a sponsored rider? **** knows how that happens. Your riding really isn't that amazing, and you come across as a total knob when reading these forum pages. Not really a shining ambassador for your brand in my opinion.
I'm not gonna bother replying to any more of your sneered and aggressive arguements on this subject, because I know you will keep coming back with another comment, and it could go on forever, And I don't like being pulled down to these levels, makes me feel childish when all I wanted was to contribute to a thread that I found interesting. 
