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board leash really that bad?

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Created by rickwindt > 9 months ago, 19 Nov 2011
rickwindt
WA, 245 posts
19 Nov 2011 9:11PM
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He guys.

I was out kiting today and almost lost my board upwind of me. Thank god I could get it back but it was a close call. Bodydragging upwind is not as easy in 22 knot winds as I thought.

I am getting very mixed opinions from people. some say it's great for when u are a beginner because you won;t be doing any big jumps yet so it wont whip back at ya.

Some people say not to get it at all cause it can whip at ya no matter what.

Any suggestions anyone?

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
19 Nov 2011 9:24PM
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Don't use one myself but a retractable one is the go they retail at about 70 dollars i

bene313
WA, 1347 posts
19 Nov 2011 10:16PM
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rickwindt said...
Bodydragging upwind is not as easy in 22 knot winds as I thought.

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Any suggestions anyone?


You need more practice upwind body dragging. You see anyone else wearing a leash?

theDoctor
NSW, 5782 posts
20 Nov 2011 10:58AM
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Kiteboard leashes are cool and happening, I wear one all the time everywhere I go. it conveniently Attaches to my batman utility belt and is a real conversion starter with "the ladies".
It usually goes something along the lines of... "HEY CREEP STOP FOLLOWING ME, AND WHAT THE HELL IS THAT THING ON YOUR BATMAN UTILITY BELT..??!!!"

JayP
QLD, 249 posts
20 Nov 2011 10:24AM
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take the time learn how to body drag in all conditions.

at the end of the day its better to loose a board than any head injury.

in 03 i was kiting with a leash. board hit me in the face fractured eye socket and broke my nose, nearly lost an eye, nearly lost my hearing, nearly lost teeth. still have nerve damage in my face. cost me a deposit on a house through the expense of a medivac from PNG to australia for surgery.

i was kiting with a 16m in 15 knots.

KIT33R
NSW, 1715 posts
20 Nov 2011 11:37AM
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rickwindt said...
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Some people say not to get it at all cause it can whip at ya no matter what.

Any suggestions anyone?





Does this answer your question?

rickwindt
WA, 245 posts
20 Nov 2011 8:48AM
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JayP said...

take the time learn how to body drag in all conditions.

at the end of the day its better to loose a board than any head injury.

in 03 i was kiting with a leash. board hit me in the face fractured eye socket and broke my nose, nearly lost an eye, nearly lost my hearing, nearly lost teeth. still have nerve damage in my face. cost me a deposit on a house through the expense of a medivac from PNG to australia for surgery.

i was kiting with a 16m in 15 knots.


**** dude that is a serious story. Thanks for the input. I think the brought me over the line not to get one..

rickwindt
WA, 245 posts
20 Nov 2011 8:51AM
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bene313 said...

rickwindt said...
Bodydragging upwind is not as easy in 22 knot winds as I thought.

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Any suggestions anyone?


You need more practice upwind body dragging. You see anyone else wearing a leash?


Yeah I have actually.. quite a few with those retractable ones. But ur right just more bodysraggin I guess

Gorgo
VIC, 4996 posts
20 Nov 2011 12:34PM
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... change that to, have you ever seen anybody who knows how to kite using a reel leash?

If losing your board is a real problem for you there's a simple and cheap solution. Go to a boating shop and buy a couple of 6" styrene floats for abot $9 each.

http://www.biasboating.com.au/product_p/2602.htm

Tie one on each side of the board handle between the handle and the strap. They're small enough to not be in the way, but big enough to hold your board up to make it visible. They look less dorky than the Go Joe thing and are less than a 1/4 the price.

djdojo
VIC, 1607 posts
20 Nov 2011 5:31PM
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I don't launch kiters wearing board leashes. I tell them why. Sometimes they're grateful, sometimes grumpy, but that's not my problem.

dave......
WA, 2119 posts
20 Nov 2011 3:58PM
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And another one......



If your technique is OK, Id suggest your kite is too big for the conditions, It is hard to bodydrag upwind when overpowered. Try depowering your kite and doing things slow, especially when changing directions. Bodydrag one way for about 20secs, looking at your board every 5 secs, change direction very slowly and you should be at your board in 3 tacks.

BTW, I think this was Lancellin, not me, I wish I had that much hair

20 Nov 2011 10:39PM
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Hopey said...

Your call.....be aware of the risks!
http://www.kiteboardleash.com/index.php?page=testimonials



Great website for deterring the use of leashes. The product being recommended is exxy though, so the simple Oz solution is a wheel barrow tube. Take the handle off your board slip the tube under and screw the handle back on. Inflate the tube until it stands upright, and bit more.
If the board comes off your feet, the tube will often make the board roll straps up and then it blows downwind easily and is easily seen. If it does not roll over the tube needs a bit more air, but the board will still blow down wind and you will be able to get it back.
Don't wear a leash. Reel leashes are not safer, Kitepower used to sell them, but we now refuse, anyshop selling them is selling something very dangerous and you should ask yourself why they would do that???

mort69
WA, 178 posts
20 Nov 2011 8:15PM
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chicks dig scars

rickwindt
WA, 245 posts
20 Nov 2011 10:55PM
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dave...... said...

And another one......



If your technique is OK, Id suggest your kite is too big for the conditions, It is hard to bodydrag upwind when overpowered. Try depowering your kite and doing things slow, especially when changing directions. Bodydrag one way for about 20secs, looking at your board every 5 secs, change direction very slowly and you should be at your board in 3 tacks.

BTW, I think this was Lancellin, not me, I wish I had that much hair


Thanks for the advise. I tried that today and yes I must have just been really overpowered. I depowered today and it was so much easier.. thanks!

dave......
WA, 2119 posts
21 Nov 2011 7:47PM
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Cheers dude, due to apparent wind theory, the slower you go the more upwind you can get, hold the bar with your rear hand and use your front hand as a rudder, as I said 3 tacks and keep looking at the board every 5 secs or so and its as easy as pie

Peterc150
VIC, 710 posts
23 Nov 2011 12:58AM
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As per previous posts - and photos - don't use a board leash!

Keep practicing upwind body dragging until you can do in a variety of conditions - light and strong winds.

Some more tips: kitesurfing-handbook.peterskiteboarding.com/progression/upwind-body-dragging

BurkeyBoy
QLD, 549 posts
23 Nov 2011 9:00AM
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Try heel straps. When I was learning they were invaluable. You can still come out of them at times, but I reckon they keep the board on your feet when you stack about 75% of the time. You can buy cheap rubber ones for less than $10, but they split after a while. I tracked down some heavy duty neoprene ones from Dakine for about $30, well worth the money and they can't put a gash in your head Can't remember where from but was in WA.

rickwindt
WA, 245 posts
23 Nov 2011 12:46PM
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BurkeyBoy said...

Try heel straps. When I was learning they were invaluable. You can still come out of them at times, but I reckon they keep the board on your feet when you stack about 75% of the time. You can buy cheap rubber ones for less than $10, but they split after a while. I tracked down some heavy duty neoprene ones from Dakine for about $30, well worth the money and they can't put a gash in your head Can't remember where from but was in WA.


sweet that sounds great! and it doesnt have the whole 'dork' factor either haha they don;t hurt your feet or anything when you crash?

harry potter
VIC, 2777 posts
23 Nov 2011 4:28PM
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Hopey said...

Your call.....be aware of the risks!
http://www.kiteboardleash.com/index.php?page=testimonials



Im in one of those pics.........can you guess which one

Weird thing is I have no idea how they got the photo.........even weirder the injury was NOT as a result of wearing a board leash but from a Thundercat crash.

I did wear a board leash for my first 2 sessions many years ago. Shock Horror the surfboard leash style.

Not only are board leashes exceptionally dangerous................... you look like a total kook wearing one .......they just scream "I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I AM DOING"

For those having trouble body draging upwind a few tips....

make long tacks/drags - ie: at least 10-20 meters ( you lose ground everytime you change direction.
make the first drag the longest
fly your kite higher rather than lower
use one arm as a rudder/keel and stretch it out in front of you ... a bit like digging in an edge.

once you have the technique dialled it should only take you 2 tacks 3 max to get back to your board.

rickwindt
WA, 245 posts
23 Nov 2011 1:44PM
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harry potter said...

Hopey said...

Your call.....be aware of the risks!
http://www.kiteboardleash.com/index.php?page=testimonials



Im in one of those pics.........can you guess which one

Weird thing is I have no idea how they got the photo.........even weirder the injury was NOT as a result of wearing a board leash but from a Thundercat crash.

I did wear a board leash for my first 2 sessions many years ago. Shock Horror the surfboard leash style.

Not only are board leashes exceptionally dangerous................... you look like a total kook wearing one .......they just scream "I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I AM DOING"

For those having trouble body draging upwind a few tips....

make long tacks/drags - ie: at least 10-20 meters ( you lose ground everytime you change direction.
make the first drag the longest
fly your kite higher rather than lower
use one arm as a rudder/keel and stretch it out in front of you ... a bit like digging in an edge.

once you have the technique dialled it should only take you 2 tacks 3 max to get back to your board.



yeah not going for the leash hey.. I've got the bodydragging skills down but it just takes me a while to get it back sometimes and I start freaking out, brand new board haha.

now i've heard of these heelstraps. that sounds absolutely perfect.. see, I don;t mind losing my board upwind of me every once in a while but having to bodydrag upwind every single time I crash face first because some gust brings me off balance annoys me and takes away the precious time I have when the wind is up after I finish work at 5 and rush my way down to the river to get one more hour of sunlight in haha

NickT
WA, 1094 posts
23 Nov 2011 2:32PM
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Think of Body dragging as punishment for not doing a trick, flying your kite correctly. It will make you learn faster from your mistakes if you keep losing your board and have to drag to it.

BurkeyBoy
QLD, 549 posts
23 Nov 2011 6:21PM
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rickwindt said...

BurkeyBoy said...

Try heel straps. When I was learning they were invaluable. You can still come out of them at times, but I reckon they keep the board on your feet when you stack about 75% of the time. You can buy cheap rubber ones for less than $10, but they split after a while. I tracked down some heavy duty neoprene ones from Dakine for about $30, well worth the money and they can't put a gash in your head Can't remember where from but was in WA.


sweet that sounds great! and it doesnt have the whole 'dork' factor either haha they don;t hurt your feet or anything when you crash?


No mate they're fine. If the impact is big enough you will pop out of them anyway. I used them for a couple of years even after I was passed learning, great to practice tricks and not worry about your board coming off.

GalahOnTheBay
NSW, 4188 posts
23 Nov 2011 8:30PM
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NickT said...

Think of Body dragging as punishment for not doing a trick, flying your kite correctly. It will make you learn faster from your mistakes if you keep losing your board and have to drag to it.


I'm not sure that's true, but getting creamed by your board and needing 3+ weeks off the water isn't going to help learn new tricks either...

rickwindt
WA, 245 posts
23 Nov 2011 5:41PM
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BurkeyBoy said...

rickwindt said...

BurkeyBoy said...

Try heel straps. When I was learning they were invaluable. You can still come out of them at times, but I reckon they keep the board on your feet when you stack about 75% of the time. You can buy cheap rubber ones for less than $10, but they split after a while. I tracked down some heavy duty neoprene ones from Dakine for about $30, well worth the money and they can't put a gash in your head Can't remember where from but was in WA.


sweet that sounds great! and it doesnt have the whole 'dork' factor either haha they don;t hurt your feet or anything when you crash?


No mate they're fine. If the impact is big enough you will pop out of them anyway. I used them for a couple of years even after I was passed learning, great to practice tricks and not worry about your board coming off.


Alright that sounds like a plan. do they go on any kind of bindings? I've got Cabrinha Sync bindings. You have any idea if I can buy straps for those? otherwise i've heard about using tire tubes?? how does that work? sorry mate just a rookie!

BurkeyBoy
QLD, 549 posts
24 Nov 2011 9:12AM
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No probs with q's rick. The Dakine straps have, from memory, 3 holes on each side for varying foot sizes. All you need is to put your binding bolt through the hole and you're done. It can be a bit tricky though. My bolts were just the right length for the job already, so it was a bit of work to screw them in with the heelstraps as well. It would have been easier if the bolts were a bit longer. Quick trip the local bolt shop would have done the trick. The tyre tubes will work, as will cheaper rubber straps, but the Dakine have been on my board for a few years now, a mate who is learning now uses the board. Before that, I replaced the rubber ones 3 times.

TurtleHunter
WA, 1675 posts
24 Nov 2011 9:44AM
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one disadvantage of heel straps I have seen is if one foot comes out it can be very hard to ditch the board resulting in the board twisting your knee. It can happen without them but no where near as easily.

BurkeyBoy
QLD, 549 posts
24 Nov 2011 3:19PM
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Fair point. I've had a few occasions when the board has dug in and one foot stayed in place. I felt some stress but nothing lasting. I remembered my wife's board also has the straps so I checked, they are called Dakine Raptors.

rickwindt
WA, 245 posts
24 Nov 2011 2:12PM
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BurkeyBoy said...

Fair point. I've had a few occasions when the board has dug in and one foot stayed in place. I felt some stress but nothing lasting. I remembered my wife's board also has the straps so I checked, they are called Dakine Raptors.


thanks for all your input mate! heel straps it is for me.. Just have to find them somewhere now haha

BurkeyBoy
QLD, 549 posts
24 Nov 2011 6:32PM
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rickwindt said...

BurkeyBoy said...

Fair point. I've had a few occasions when the board has dug in and one foot stayed in place. I felt some stress but nothing lasting. I remembered my wife's board also has the straps so I checked, they are called Dakine Raptors.


thanks for all your input mate! heel straps it is for me.. Just have to find them somewhere now haha

Oceanaddicts on the QLD sunny coast have them:

http://www.oceanaddicts.com.au/Dakine%20Raptor%20Heelpad%202011

rickwindt
WA, 245 posts
24 Nov 2011 5:11PM
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BurkeyBoy said...

rickwindt said...

BurkeyBoy said...

Fair point. I've had a few occasions when the board has dug in and one foot stayed in place. I felt some stress but nothing lasting. I remembered my wife's board also has the straps so I checked, they are called Dakine Raptors.


thanks for all your input mate! heel straps it is for me.. Just have to find them somewhere now haha

Oceanaddicts on the QLD sunny coast have them:

http://www.oceanaddicts.com.au/Dakine%20Raptor%20Heelpad%202011



yeah saw those but I live in WA haha. might have to just order them in online. thats cool though! thanks mate

dave......
WA, 2119 posts
24 Nov 2011 5:48PM
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I saw a guy do a tightarse, Go joe (an inflatable thingy that goes around your handle. He used a small strut, tied it in a knot around his handle and blew it up. Sure it looked like a big condom, but like condoms they work (well most of the time).. An instructors tip# When teaching someone to bodydrag, after they have got reasonably good, Id throw a board 10m upwind of them and make sure they are competent to get back to the board, before ever thinking about teaching them the waterstart. The IKO is a great lesson guide, but you can modify it slightly to make it more competency based for what a bodydrag is all about. Of course write your name and phone number on your board. It only costs you a carton to get it back, a pretty good investment on a $700-$1000 board.



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