Yeh I reckon plummet would be on his 8m cat thinking about the REO at 28 knots especially if stormy. Think the 10 would be in that 18 to 25, the sweet spot that is. Its my sweet spot for the 9m at 74 kg.
Something that is omitted from 2013 C4 is the inner bag which sux a little as it is all I carry kite in for travel....that and the repair kit is sewn into bag so can't separated by simply peeling velcro as in past for travel.
Ok people, I have had about 5 sessions on the 10m and the 12m c4 now in everything from 15 to 28 knots, on a flight to the phippines so finally have time to write a review.
I have been on c4s for the past 3 seasons 2011's and 2012's and now the 2013's(I did have a short dabble for a few months on the Vegas also).
On my first session I didn't have the back lines shortened and it just didn't feel right (crap bottom end, delayed turning, little unstable sitting at 12). Looked at this forum and shortened the back lines as kite power suggested and it felt like a different kite!
I don't think the 2013's will be for everyone as they are a bit more hardcore than previous models.
Bottom end is definitely stronger than on previous models(with the rear lines adjusted). The bar pressure is quite a bit higher even on the lightest pressure setting(a bit too high for my liking but I'll live with it, hope they make it lighter next year though).
Loops and kite loops on this thing are full on! It definitely has more power through the loop than previous years and definitely gives an awesome rush.
Depower is less than previous models and power through the turns is stronger than previous models so on a SB down the line wave ridding I don't rate it like previous models that have performed quite well in waves.
Turning feels a little more direct than previous models, it does turn slightly different though (less pivitol). Turning speed in general feels about the same as the 2012s but the upward stroke is quicker(moving the kite from 10 to 11 as an example). I am happy they have improved this a little as it has buged me in previous models.
Boosting and hang time on the 10m definitely feels as good or better than previous models and the boosting technique required is the same. I probably need a good boosting session on the 12m to give a review on the 12m.
I am by no means an unhooked trick legend so there is probably someone better qualified to give some feedback for the diehard wake style crew. However I do a bit and it feels as you would expect for a c4 but a bit more hardcore. Its solid, no stalling, good pop, has more power unhooked and is not as forgiving as previous models though.
Just got an 8m cat for the missus this week so will give that a go and report back.
Benchy
did you go for one knot down on the rear lines or did you go more more adjustment?
Hey plummet, just went one knot back under the floats which should be the knot closest to the bar. On the bridle I am on the knot closest to the leading edge which came as standard. I am on the lightest bar pressure setting on the wingtips but it doesn't help much as the pressure is still heavy.
Actually I just remembered reading this I flew the 15m C4 on my own ozone bar which had this knot adjustment already done for my edges.
Still reading your review here doesn't sound like plummet will change his mind.
I don't think ill change my mind. but we will see. today should be a 20 knot sea brease.
ps the boys have me thinking too much about the 10m edge.... may have to try that out for a season or 2.
Yeah I think if bar pressure is a deal breaker for you then I can't really see the c4 working for u plummet.
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Don't despair! its the the new bar and line lengths believe me. They come this year with standard 23m lines and a 45cm bar length with short throw and it changes how they fly completely go get hold of a standard bar and lines with 25m and try it again they fly awesome you will love it. used my 10m with standard new school setting in the surf on old 25m lines 50cm bar and its soooooo good. P.s leave the knots standard middle setting unless your lines have stretched and require adjusting.
Just thought we had all better read it a fourth time!!
ahhhh. so 45cm bar has shorter depower throw.
that makes more sense then. it would be less slack with bar out compared to standard bar..... So the standard bar will actually be worse unless you significantly shorten the rear lines to get in to the same shorter throw point of the 45cm bar.... but then yourl be over sheeting with bar all the way in. ....
well i made up new rear line pig tails as i don't want different set up bars because i use them accross all kites. ..
but god has gooched me and not provided a 20 sea brease when it was promised.
I'll have to wait for further testing. . . . . . . . . . . .
righto. session 2 16-25 knots real gusty.
adjusted the leader lines and flew. Instantly hugely better than the first flight. I could see some of the old C4 goodness in the new model. but it still sorta felt dull in cpmpared to the old one. itd definately lost the fast whippy dynamicness of old!... Dont get me wrong it did everything fine. Just not as much grin factor for me.
Bar pressure still too high for me. I'm a one handed flyer alot of the time and the bar pressure made that difficult.
So the short answer is its not for me.
Anyone else notice wing tips flapping and vibration through the lines. Especially notice this on my 12m near the top end. Didn't get this on the 2011
had my 8m out on monday 20-40knots ta ex cyclone oswald
65kg intermediate skills ,
did line adjustment after 1st run ,will be modified for light winds .
did notice a bit of wing tip movement but wasnt a worry
seems to depower close to the edge
operating window seems smaller at bottom of range
needs to be flown in the window
loops + relaunched very nicely
unhooked and felt good [im no guru]
i hope it will improve my unhooked kiting .
I have a 2013 10m C4.
When it's windy enough it comes out instead of the 14m RPM.
Love it more and more each time, but also love the RPM.
IMO, if you don't enjoy flying the new c4 your obviously not riding unhooked and/or hard enough.
It's a kite loop machine.
Did you have the old c4 poly or just shifted into the 2013 from something else?
But yes I do not do unhooked riding. Do i ride hard? yes indeed. loops etc are common. looping didn't feel any better imo than my 2011.
I have had slingshot kites for number of seasons,
bought some ozone kites for the snow last year ( frenzy's ) they were primo so thought I'd try the C4 for the water.
I wanted the closest match the the RPM.
The C4 is exactly as marketed, excels unhooked and wakestyle.
If your riding unhooked, doing wakestyle tricks etc, this kite rocks!
it lacks leading edge protection, I used the included sticky back in spares to add scuff guards and protect stitching.
But yea, great kite, im enjoying it.
had another go on the 8m today . 20-30 knots
shortened the rear lines some more [made a knot] on freeride setting
now im very happy with it and my very basic unhooked raileys are bigger n faster .
was feeling very comfortable and hope to do a unhooked s-bend sooner .
If she is a small town girl, come and live at horrocks, Northampton is hanging out for more teachers!
But yeah, I havea very deep feel for how hard it is to chase your own dream and take the family with you... Tough.
i have a 2011 10m c4 aswell on a modified 2008 bar
have not noticed the extra bar pressure yet ?
have also flown 2008 sport II 11m and 9m , light II 14m
never flown an edge but really want to .
will try them on the same bar and im sure i will feel it then
or maybe just heavy handed ?
the 8m c4 2013 felt like ''home'' yesterday very happy 
and have made the right choice
