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As long as it has a big wind range like PGC was talking about. I have ridden the Naish Park and found the wind range to be be pretty limiting. I am saying this coming from a North Rebel. I use my 10 metre Rebel all of the time and its range is from 15knts to 25plus. I am 88kg so I can hold it down in 30knts but thats only in the gusts.
Love to try one of these out could be like a rebel with down wind wave sailing ability.... Might pop into RPS for a demo...
not had this wind range issue with the park, i ride from 15-25 on my 10, perhaps you had it on the grunt setting or something
You will always get more range out of a higher aspect kite like the rebel. Same thing with the edge. Enormous wind range. The more c in the kite the less wind range there is, suitable riding range that it. Yes the rebel like the edge just gets better with more wind. Then something like the catalyst gets a little punchy towards the higher end of the wind range scale, like the park I would assume regardless of setting. It is a profile thing, also an individuals rider perception thing to I suppose.
You are bang on Eppo... The Rebel being higher aspect does love it when its cranking. I must admit I did try the 10 Park in 18 - 22 knots and gusting up to 30knts. I guess at the time I was not happy with it 2012 model. Just did not feel as smooth as I thought but it drifted OK. I guess I am used to a higher aspect kite.
Dont get me wrong the kite I borrowed was set up for my mate and he loves to crank it. He rides it hard and the build quality is there. He is now considering moving from the Park to something more wave dedicated. Single people with time and money....
I have ridden the 2013 Catalyst and Reo I was pretty happy with the Catalyst but not blown away. I am with you Eppo if they made a smaller Zephyr I would be pretty happy...
Love to see how the Dice works... If its more all round like the Park could be a great kite.
Yeh have spoken to rob through Steve at kitepower. Rob said it is just impossible to scale down the zephyr, it wouldn't work. I trust rob and there is a difference between what he won't do and what is just not possible. So I'm cool now, I'm off that idea. He did say he would make me a 15m custom for 6k!! Lucky I don't need a 15m hey! Lol.
So in 2014 I'm the lookout for a different mid sized kite. big hopes for the New NRG.
Yeh that dice might fill a big market me thinks if it flies like I think it might.
We will see.
Agreed that's how I see the catalyst to, great kite but not blown away. Good way to put it man.
It will be interesting to see if still has that tight loop that the Vegas has....that with good drift and a good relaunch....also Bottom end was always another down point on the Vegas,but if the dice has more power than the Vegas .I am figuring the loop will be not quite as tight as the Vegas.Intersting to see the power difference between a 9 m dice and a 10 m Vegas.
My wind range on my 2011 Vegas with me being 80 to 90 pies depending on wether Iam using a wetsuit or not is 18 knots to 35....I do love at at 25 plus knots its just a boost machine...looks like the dice is will have better hang time.i fly edges in the 13 m and 17 m for light wind conditions and being on bigger kites naturally gives better hang time.I always found going back to the Vegas when it's nuking to a little getting use too when coming down off the jump it tends to drop a little to fast,but then it is designed for new school.If the dice has boost and loop qualitys of the Vegas and better hangtime with drift for wave riding with a good relaunch.. Can it be possible in one kite?
It will drift better for sure, it has a lot of Neo in it by the looks of it. But yeh the jumping is what I'm interested in to find out...And yeh the looping.
Heading to the river with the 9m dice. We'll see how this thing goes in 25+ 
You're all more than welcome to come and have a blast!!
So when we are talking about a wave kite, we aren't talking about down-the-line Reo style surfing? We are talking about a wave kite that is nice for playing in the surf, with power?
Very goods news, looking at the shape it seems north have copied Ozone Reo which is known as the best wave riding kite outthere. I am North users and I was using Rebels and Neos for wave riding althougt I was thinking to move to Ozone since I tryed the Reo and was far superior than Neo. Now I just need to wait until Sep and I will be able to use my North bar which I transformed into a slide bars... good news!!!
Stone...two posts in and laying it all on the line. Lol...
Well maybe to everything you said. I know guys who prefer the Neo over the REO so it depends on the user man.
Also I'm not so sure the dice has been copied by the REO there are some noticeable differences. Could start with pulleys and wing tips and keep moving on but I can't be bothered.
Plus the REO has had a major over haul for 2014 so lets see what that 204 looks and smells like hey...
I have to wonder how they come up with some of these names! Neo, Reo, Dice, Vegas, Rebel. They seem to bear zero relevance to intended use or even marketing segment. I ride rebels, do I feel rebellious? Probably not.
At least Zephyr gives some idea of when you are going to use it.
Well, you are totally right, we need to wait and see. However I disagree the kite will be suitable for both powered carving surf and traditional down the line surf with good drift. Rebels will do better on the first case and neos on the second. I am today at Tarifa Spain and Jaime herranz lives here, I know him, he surely has been involved in the design. I will ask him about the intention. He told me the best selling kites are Evo and Neo this season. If North is thinking on only 3 kites for 2014 i wonder which ones?? I guess once the we have the dice tested we can say a little more, but looking at the shape it looks like i totally wave dedicated Kite with low weight, good drift qualitiies and no complexity like pulleys to avoid damage when Kite sucked by 4-5 meters waves
Ah! North needs a dedicated waves style Kite for two reasons. 1st is selling, i know lots of people moving into pure surf style kitting like ian alldredge and his mates do. To do that you need first a glass board of course without straps but you also need a drift Kite. Rebels stalls and neos improved it but reos or bws noise still better. Second reason is competition, you need a fit for purpose Kite for promotional reasons and probably was hard to achieve titles with current kites.
hey guys till(the boss of north ect) is into waves and this was his project. Hes a great guy and the kite is fantastic most dealers have demos from today
RPS has an 8 and a 11. James is frothing over it. He had it out in flat water a few times and double loops , dark sides ect where you want control but power are perfect. James prefers the 4 line set up. i will get him to write a review when he gets out of the water
"boost,loop and do big air free ride trick" i agree I would use a Vegas or Rebel as I do, Vegas is a dedicated freestyle kite, but Vegas is not right for Waves. I don?t see any benefit for north to develop a kite for all, they already have Evo which is the all rounder. Rebels were some time ago adevertised as "waves" kites, but is more a free ride, race due to its huge windrange, upwind abilities... Neo was the first attempt for a fully dedicated "surfing" kite, not a wave kite. Looking at the initial feedback from pgc:
"It drifts like nothing else. The dice is a whole new kite. You can fly it right in the front of the window in waves and it will sit even in the most radical cut backs and hacks"
It looks they have developed a kite for pure surfing which is goods news at least for me. I will keep using Rebel for powered carving and Dice for surfing strapless with my glass surf board. (By de way, I use a Chanel Island Semipro 12 with wax and I am delighted, I have tryed many boards... Kontacts, Wams, Tuflites Flyers, Globals, Ben Wilson... I the CI is my favourite for the time being, big airs, big waves, and riding fast and hard in chopy and no serious damage)
So what was wrong with the Neo then as there "wave " kite?
Yeh I'm glad they brought out the Neo and stopped marketing the rebel as a wave kite....or the rebel as an all rounder....try and unhook a high aspect rebel...crew do, but it looks uncomfortable! It is an excellent freeride, boost kite but is okay in the waves (I hated it in the waves personally).
So what is the purpose of the Dice then? Is it an improved Neo or a Vegas that has had its wave properties improved.
Be cool to here from some north crew what they think.
Hi Guys,
Seriously, you guys need to stop hypothesizing and postulating on what it may or may not be. North dealers around the country have had demo's in stock for weeks now. There is little you can tell about the performance of a kite by photographs alone regardless of its shape or dimensions. So far from all the comments on this thread, there has not been a single first hand review, the closest being pgc's Dad.
The Vegas is a average wave kite in my opinion, but the Dice which looks extremely close to the Vegas, has amazing surf performance. The two kites are completely different in flight characteristics. Opinions from people who have not ridden the kite are worthless.
I suggest you try one, and then write a review which offers some value to the readers!
DM
I say this with lots of love so don't bite my head off, but... hypothesising and postulating is just as valuable as a review coming from someone connected to the brand 
Anyone ridden it yet who isn't sponsored by, or stocks North?
I have ridden the Fuse and the Rebel, and thought they were both great kites. Just didn't like the battens or the bar. Any changes to the North Bar this year AKS?
Hey zarb,
No offence dude, I'm feelin' the luv.
I have ridden the kite, and as you may have noticed, I haven't written a review because I stock the kites. 
I'd much prefer general punters come in and take the kites for a spin and write a first person review in real conditions. Still waiting .....
New North bar - No radical changes. Better lines, no mono filament in the depower line anymore, slight mod to here and there for increased durability and lighter weight.
Essentially a slightly improved version of last years bar.
DM
Ps....most of the guys that know you wouldn't mind if you did a review of the dice mate, you are always impartial and informative.
I had a chance to try the Dise BUT in ** conditions , small chop and average wind on SB ,8m 24m lines 1st impression Very nice and will defiantly try again in waves It had grunt down low for power riding /tricks ,turned well, But could not try down the line drift due to No WAVES Only concern and note ** conditions ,the kite stalled with lull in the wind and i fell back in the water And on my rebel it carried me through?? Defiantly try AND hope to see better reviews with better incite in future
That's a function of more aspect on the rebel probably not a fault of the lower aspect dice.
