Update: had a handful of sessions now on the axis supsurf foil with a 680 wing.
Really starting to enjoy it now. For instance was only 13-15 knots today and had some shifty west in it, but I was always able to have an incredible kite just on a little 7m Bandit.
Honestly I wouldn't have even bothered kiting today on my 10 or even if someone offered me a 14 it was that weak.
But someone said to me if the kite can stay in the air and it has enough power to at least get out the water then you can foil. So I tried it... it's so awesome not needing the kite much!
Went a good couple of km or so upwind on a couple of tacks then just had this wonderful downwind carve...
more and more aggressive s bends carves into continuous ttoeside to heelside carves.... then,
riding straight at kite to Kill all power and then doing the pump thing (man those guys that pump their foils over those distances must be super damn fit!!!). 
So much fun bearing straight and fast downwind on your toes, gliding through the mast length (Jesus sounds like porn but have no other way to describe it) with some acute carves up and downwind.
I can see why this foil will be fun in the waves. You can trust it.
This foils seems so stable and predictable.
Every session I am just getting noticeably better (and relaxed hence enjoying it) and I give full credence to the foils design not any great skill on my behalf.
I even nearly swapped feet feet a couple of times up on the foil on both tacjs but not quite there, although I haven't really dedicated a session to that yet. Soon. I have no doubt the foil will let me do it even on the minimal volume board.
I have even done the last three sessions without any footstraps at all. Prefer it I think. Was tricky though with the small kite in less wind today.
Ready for the ocean me thinks.....
"But someone said to me if the kite can stay in the air and it has enough power to at least get out the water then you can foil."
Toldja 
Select to expand quoteeppo said..
Update:
Every session I am just getting noticeably better (and relaxed hence enjoying it) and I give full credence to the foils design not any great skill on my behalf.
I even nearly swapped feet feet a couple of times up on the foil on both tacjs but not quite there, although I haven't really dedicated a session to that yet. Soon. I have no doubt the foil will let me do it even on the minimal volume board.
I have even done the last three sessions without any footstraps at all. Prefer it I think. Was tricky though with the small kite in less wind today.
Ready for the ocean me thinks.....
G8 2read -- U talented soda
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Select to expand quoteeppo said..
Update: had a handful of sessions now on the axis supsurf foil with a 680 wing.
Really starting to enjoy it now. For instance was only 13-15 knots today and had some shifty west in it, but I was always able to have an incredible kite just on a little 7m Bandit.
Honestly I wouldn't have even bothered kiting today on my 10 or even if someone offered me a 14 it was that weak.
But someone said to me if the kite can stay in the air and it has enough power to at least get out the water then you can foil. So I tried it... it's so awesome not needing the kite much!
Went a good couple of km or so upwind on a couple of tacks then just had this wonderful downwind carve...
more and more aggressive s bends carves into continuous ttoeside to heelside carves.... then,
riding straight at kite to Kill all power and then doing the pump thing (man those guys that pump their foils over those distances must be super damn fit!!!).
So much fun bearing straight and fast downwind on your toes, gliding through the mast length (Jesus sounds like porn but have no other way to describe it) with some acute carves up and downwind.
I can see why this foil will be fun in the waves. You can trust it.
This foils seems so stable and predictable.
Every session I am just getting noticeably better (and relaxed hence enjoying it) and I give full credence to the foils design not any great skill on my behalf.
I even nearly swapped feet feet a couple of times up on the foil on both tacjs but not quite there, although I haven't really dedicated a session to that yet. Soon. I have no doubt the foil will let me do it even on the minimal volume board.
I have even done the last three sessions without any footstraps at all. Prefer it I think. Was tricky though with the small kite in less wind today.
Ready for the ocean me thinks.....
Uh oh , Eppo's go the fever .... 
Mate congrats. I didn't even try.
Reason ... rebel.
Never again will I even bother to foil on the rebel again. Stupid damn thing. 
Select to expand quotebigtone667 said..
Looking forward to hearing about your first swell rides on the foil.......
they say the stretch from Avalon, south to say secret harbour is one of the best stretches of coastline for downwind supping in Australia? Someone was telling me...
I wonder if it would work the same on a really small drifting wave kite, kill power and pump and glide? My foil isn't big enough probably.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..bigtone667 said..
Looking forward to hearing about your first swell rides on the foil.......
they say the stretch from Avalon, south to say secret harbour is one of the best stretches of coastline for downwind supping in Australia? Someone was telling me...
I wonder if it would work the same on a really small drifting wave kite, kill power and pump and glide? My foil isn't big enough probably.
Absolutely it will work.... downwinders on ocean swell are magical.
Magic little 12-15 knot session today!!
Today was my day off and I missed the pumping conditions last week but I am stoked with a really nice foil session today, it really saved my week.
One thing I find with foiling is that when you're in light wind you are riding with a similar size kite and doing similar ( or faster) board speed as someone on a regular board in strong winds so you get a lot of the same thrill as riding in strong winds. Also hauling ass across a relatively calm ocean is amazing!!
Select to expand quoteeppo said..bigtone667 said..
Looking forward to hearing about your first swell rides on the foil.......
they say the stretch from Avalon, south to say secret harbour is one of the best stretches of coastline for downwind supping in Australia? Someone was telling me...
I wonder if it would work the same on a really small drifting wave kite, kill power and pump and glide? My foil isn't big enough probably.
I'll do it maybe even Saturday, I'm going out on my mates boat in mandurah in the morning to play behind his boat on the foil. If the wind picks up I would be keen
On the subject of downwinders I saw someone doing the down wind run coming past swanbourne the other day, he was on a 4m uno in about 25 knots and looked like he was having an absolute blast!!!
Heaps of the beach along there has almost no sand bank and the waves don't really break until right on the shore so it would be good for foiling
Select to expand quoteeppo said..
Booooooo green arrows coming....
Try one day foiling on a small kite Eppo . Your skills will go up a level. Nothing like wind and a small kite on a foil , although 25-30 might get a bit tricky - nothing you cant solve with a very small kite I guess ....
+1 on the Axis love. I had a full carbon race foil with a learner front wing, at the time I thought it was a good foil but for me it was nearly impossible to learn on. Sold that and a year or two later I bought Toppleover's old foil, put the 450mm mast on, and from day one I was up and foiling. Such a stable, easy design to ride.
Stable is the word. Two mates, one on their second sesh, the other on his first session were foiling up and back (500-800m rides) and going downwind with ease. Ridiculous progression rates.
Select to expand quoteKBGhost said..
+1 on the Axis love. I had a full carbon race foil with a learner front wing, at the time I thought it was a good foil but for me it was nearly impossible to learn on. Sold that and a year or two later I bought Toppleover's old foil, put the 450mm mast on, and from day one I was up and foiling. Such a stable, easy design to ride.
Glad to hear your enjoying that foil as much as I did.
I'm addicted to prone foiling now, never thought I'd find something that I'd rather do than kite.
Funny thing Eppo everyone says how scary downwind foiling is and how hard it can be when you're learning and you crank upwind and have to get back to where you started. But with this foil I really love going downwind, even as a learner having some big stacks, there's a special feeling balancing the power in the foil and the kite, carving S bends in the silence as you run with the wind, I love it.
Topple, loving it so much I bought to 600 mast, perfect length for the lake and my skill level. Where do you get a decent wave to prone foil here.. round the points I guess?
Select to expand quoteKBGhost said..
Funny thing Eppo everyone says how scary downwind foiling is and how hard it can be when you're learning and you crank upwind and have to get back to where you started. But with this foil I really love going downwind, even as a learner having some big stacks, there's a special feeling balancing the power in the foil and the kite, carving S bends in the silence as you run with the wind, I love it.
Topple, loving it so much I bought to 600 mast, perfect length for the lake and my skill level. Where do you get a decent wave to prone foil here.. round the points I guess?
Sent u a pm
Select to expand quoteKBGhost said..
+1 on the Axis love. I had a full carbon race foil with a learner front wing, at the time I thought it was a good foil but for me it was nearly impossible to learn on. Sold that and a year or two later I bought Toppleover's old foil, put the 450mm mast on, and from day one I was up and foiling. Such a stable, easy design to ride.
Hi KB
Have a similar Axis board.
Did you bolt your mast base straight through your board with stainless washers on top?
Or did you put some bolt sleeves inserted first.?
cheers
Select to expand quoteLeighMajor said..KBGhost said..
+1 on the Axis love. I had a full carbon race foil with a learner front wing, at the time I thought it was a good foil but for me it was nearly impossible to learn on. Sold that and a year or two later I bought Toppleover's old foil, put the 450mm mast on, and from day one I was up and foiling. Such a stable, easy design to ride.
Hi KB
Have a similar Axis board.
Did you bolt your mast base straight through your board with stainless washers on top?
Or did you put some bolt sleeves inserted first.?
cheers
That was a production (possibly a proto) Axis foilboard Leigh - all done by Axis.
Select to expand quotetoppleover said..LeighMajor said..KBGhost said..
+1 on the Axis love. I had a full carbon race foil with a learner front wing, at the time I thought it was a good foil but for me it was nearly impossible to learn on. Sold that and a year or two later I bought Toppleover's old foil, put the 450mm mast on, and from day one I was up and foiling. Such a stable, easy design to ride.
Hi KB
Have a similar Axis board.
Did you bolt your mast base straight through your board with stainless washers on top?
Or did you put some bolt sleeves inserted first.?
cheers
That was a production (possibly a proto) Axis foilboard Leigh - all done by Axis.
I had an old Kipuna laying around not being used. I was tempted to convert is as a foil board and I contacted Adrian to get his take on it. His words were: "These boards are not designed to be strong enough to cope with the bending force of a foil.
It does not work."
Kipuna/New wave have a fair amount of flex. You want your foilboard to be stiff.
Select to expand quotetoppleover said..LeighMajor said..KBGhost said..
+1 on the Axis love. I had a full carbon race foil with a learner front wing, at the time I thought it was a good foil but for me it was nearly impossible to learn on. Sold that and a year or two later I bought Toppleover's old foil, put the 450mm mast on, and from day one I was up and foiling. Such a stable, easy design to ride.
Hi KB
Have a similar Axis board.
Did you bolt your mast base straight through your board with stainless washers on top?
Or did you put some bolt sleeves inserted first.?
cheers
That was a production (possibly a proto) Axis foilboard Leigh - all done by Axis.
Hey Thanks Mick & Livit
for the heads up in regards to the axis new wave model in KBs photo which is strengthened with solid timber reinforcing.
Great boards the Axis new wave.
Would have made my newer model even more versatile .
Thanks
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Booooooo green arrows coming....
foiling going to change your life down mandurah way Eppo!
Already has ....
wind down here is utter horse crap and only 35km south of safety bay. Estuary cock blocks the sea breeze.
But it doesn't matter anymore.
Select to expand quoteLeighMajor said..
Hey Thanks Mick & Livit
for the heads up in regards to the axis new wave model in KBs photo which is strengthened with solid timber reinforcing.
Great boards the Axis new wave.
Would have made my newer model even more versatile .
Thanks
Sorry Leigh don't check here too often, luckily these guys know more about the history of my board than I do
