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Beginner kiter - what kites should I look at?

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Created by Rophuine > 9 months ago, 21 Mar 2013
Rophuine
5 posts
21 Mar 2013 5:26PM
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Rider: 88kg beginner
Style: Freeriding, but interested in freestyle and wave down the track

I've had a few lessons and I'm looking at picking up my first set of gear. My local has recommended the North Evo 12m, but I was hoping to get some other opinions. The Ozone Catalyst looks like it's in the same sort of category - beginner-friendly all-rounder, but I got warned off Ozone.

I guess I'm looking at winds in the teens and twenties - 12m seems to be a pretty popular size at Sandgate. It'd be nice to find a kite that'll be suitable for hitting the surf once I'm more comfortable, too.

zarb
NSW, 620 posts
21 Mar 2013 9:35PM
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Any particular reason you were warned off Ozones?

I have 2 Ozones as my first kites. Catalyst and a C4. Definitely no complaints. You can do a lot worse than a Catalyst as your first kite...

Rophuine
5 posts
21 Mar 2013 6:38PM
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zarb said...
Any particular reason you were warned off Ozones?

I have 2 Ozones as my first kites. Catalyst and a C4. Definitely no complaints. You can do a lot worse than a Catalyst as your first kite...



Not sure, my instructor said he doesn't recommend Ozone (might just be a preference thing?) but he said to definitely stay away from Cabrinha/

eppo
WA, 9482 posts
21 Mar 2013 7:55PM
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Really? Your instructors wrong. Wrong about ozone and wrong about cabrinha to.

Although the evo is not a bad recommendation either.

Lambie
QLD, 739 posts
21 Mar 2013 9:59PM
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Go F-one bandit 3 and newer and you cant go wrong - and a whole heap of other kites from 2010.

Perhaps your question should of been what kites to AVOID ??

windtzu
93 posts
21 Mar 2013 9:54PM
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Lambie looking to avoid brand a is better than kite b debate, I'd take your instruction's recommendations with a grain of salt. I'm a "seasoned" one year kiter. I started on Cabrinha's, which are a fabulous choice btw, and ended on Airush Lithium's. In the process of demoing kites I learned that there really aren't any bad kites per se. It's all about matching your current needs and envisioning where you think you'd like to be down the road.

Ask yourself, where do I see myself?...riding waves, freestyle, jumping, racing, cruising back and forth, etc. For instance, if you see yourself into freestyle tricks, then look at a kite that's geared toward that discipline that's also beginner friendly. For each discipline there's a whole host of kites that fit whatever your needs are, current and into the future.

I started on Cabrinha Switchblades and though they aren't ideal for a beginner or my now chosen discipline, they worked quite well in the learning process. I latter chose the Airush Lithium as the perfect all around kite that filled my particular needs. There were so many other great choices as well and I could be perfectly happy with those. The Cabrinha Vector is amongst the best for beginners and a great value via closeout pricing. The are also a well behaved, easy to fly, versatile kite that will do just about anything. I hear time and time again great things about the Ozone Cat's as well as the Edge being a user friendly kite for beginners.

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
21 Mar 2013 10:58PM
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Id put the catalyst ahead of the edge as an allwind, beginner kite,the edge is fine in the correct winds but would be a bit of a handful if the wind picked up with an beginner on the end, the catalyst depowers superbly in strong winds the edge doesnt,

shane75
QLD, 209 posts
22 Mar 2013 6:06AM
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Haha was he a briskites/surf connect instructor, I kite at sandgate too, same weight as yourself have 8m and 12m f-one bandit4's bought second hand wishing I had maybe gone for 13 or 14m as larger kite for those 15knot days. as beginner doesnt matter so much the brand just get all-rounders because your noob you won't be used to flying a certain brand so it won't feel awkward as to a regular bloke who switches to another kite and notices all the differences

22 Mar 2013 9:17AM
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Rophuine said...
zarb said...
Any particular reason you were warned off Ozones?

I have 2 Ozones as my first kites. Catalyst and a C4. Definitely no complaints. You can do a lot worse than a Catalyst as your first kite...



Not sure, my instructor said he doesn't recommend Ozone (might just be a preference thing?) but he said to definitely stay away from Cabrinha/



To be blunt, your instructor is a biased fool. Have a look around your area, what are the kites you see the most, talk to their owners. See whats being said here, in this thread. There is nothing wrong with Ozone and Cabrinha, except the shop your instructor works with does not sell them, which for me puts a real negative on any buying advice from that person/school/shop.
Perhaps just drop over to the shop (Kitepower) that does sell Ozone and Cabrinha, you will find the staff there honest and unbiased (they do lessons too).

Good kites for a begginer are ones that have a simple and very effective safety system that depowers the kite, and simple easy relaunch. Cabrinha Vector, Switchblade/Siren/Drifter or Ozone Catalyst/Reo are perfect, but are not going to hold you back, they are not begginner kites, they are just really good kites that are easy to use and learn on.
There are many others that fit the description above too.
Look for durability built into the kite and control system design, things to avoid are control bars with uncovered centre lines for example. (they wear quickly and are difficult and expensive to replace)

BrisKites
QLD, 1286 posts
22 Mar 2013 10:14AM
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You will always get a thousand differing opinions and whether your instructor is relevant with his opinions on other brands or not I would actually say his recommendation for a kite is close to the mark for the type of kite you are looking for.

You say maybe some wave and freestyle down the track and the Evo will work nicely-



Better quality cloth than the other kites mentioned too -



I would suggest creating a list of features and characteristics you want in a kite and prioritise them, maybe from 1 to ten. Then look for gear that most closely match your list.

Here is an example-
1- Durability
2- Surf
3- 4/5 line
4- Re-launch
5- Good for surf
6- Upwind ability
7- One-Pump
8- Warranty
9- Price
10- Turning speed

Things I suggest avoiding in a kite are-
Anything with Korean made cloth.
Side pull chicken loop release
Overly complicated de-power systems
Any quick release you can't re-load within 5 seconds

eppo
WA, 9482 posts
22 Mar 2013 9:17AM
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Yep forgot the bandit as well

The edge is not a beginners kite.

Yes the Evo is a genuine option, but to say stay away from the brands mentioned is plainly ignorant and incorrect. That's the issue here.

But honestly for a beginner you won't understand the differences until a year or so in.

The advice given in terms of the list above is a good one, although I would say that all the kites mentioned would do well on that list, although even as allrounders they sit on slightly different parts of the spectrum. They all have a certain bias.

North do make tough, durable kites that is for sure.

windtzu
93 posts
22 Mar 2013 11:46AM
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Eppo a retailer once told me the Edge was a kite he used to teach beginners on. That's why I mentioned it.

eppo
WA, 9482 posts
22 Mar 2013 11:52AM
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windtzu said...
Eppo a retailer once told me the Edge was a kite he used to teach beginners on. That's why I mentioned it.



Really an edge? To teach on? Wow, I suppose his students would be on a steep learning curve...lol. I could see an advantage when learning to plane...but that would be it. No a high aspect kite flies to fast across the window and hunts that edge like a dehydrated dingo in a desert looking for water...not attributes you want a beginner to experience...in my most humble opinion...

IanR
NSW, 1261 posts
22 Mar 2013 2:55PM
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To be honest all retailers will be biased towards the kites that give them the best profit margin and will never recommend a kite they don't sell.

Almost all kites these days are good. There is only one kite manufacturer that I would stay away from and that's CrazyFly, their chicken loop quick release jam very easily. If you don't believe me ask the next guy you see flying a CrazyFly to demonstrate the release, if they can make it release with one hand on there first try I would be very surprised as no one I have asked can do it. CrazyFly do make great boards though.

Shop around, go to every retailer in your area. Choose the one that you feel most comfortable with and don't be afraid to haggle

zarb
NSW, 620 posts
22 Mar 2013 4:40PM
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I was also looking at CrazyFly before I went Ozone, and had similar warnings about the QR. I dug a little deeper and apparently it was a problem with the original version of the bars, but the problems have now been recognised and rectified (according to a few reviews I have read).

finn12
VIC, 34 posts
22 Mar 2013 4:58PM
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I had heard that the new Crazyfly bar/QR was better, then I saw kitepower start selling the Ozone bar with Crazyfly kite and didn't know what to think.

22 Mar 2013 5:51PM
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finn12 said...
I had heard that the new Crazyfly bar/QR was better, then I saw kitepower start selling the Ozone bar with Crazyfly kite and didn't know what to think.



The updated 2013 CF bar is fine, but we have chosen to not sell it, for some of the reasons I mentioned (has an uncovered center line that wears easily and is difficult to replace). We have an agreement with Crazy Fly that we can sell their kites with Ozone bars until the improve their bar even more than the current version.

@ windtzu - must have been on older version of the Edge, the current one and last years would not be ideal for teaching, they accelerate too quickly for beginners and are less easy to water relaunch than other Ozone models.

@ IanR - The North Evo kite is fine for beginners, the Blade Trigger is too, I'm sure Naish have a model that is as well and etc. There are features on some of those kites that suck, like uncovered center line on the North, battens, weird inflation system, etc. Of course we will recommend what we actually sell to someone who enquires direct with us, but if someone asks me for advice on a particular kite that they have had good experience with and I know flies well, has a good safety system and relaunches well, then of course I'd recommend it. Dissing 2 of the top brands like that instructor did is plain dumb and will always backfire on them.

@ briskites The instructors remarks were quite foolish and to persist with a defense of that opinion is equally so, IMO.
Ozone make awesome kites that fit Rophuine's criteria exactly, the Ozone Catalyst or Cabrinha Drifter, Vector or Switchblade, for example, would all suit.
Beginners do not have the experience to determine the suitability of a kite based on almost any of the 10 points you listed. However, they could reasonably be expected to rely on good sound advice from seasoned and unbiased instructors, other users, shop staff, etc, (but as we can see in the real world that advice is not always easy to get).

Technoforce D2 cloth is a marketing ploy. Double ripstop threads and the coating systems used on that cloth have been in use in the sailing industry for well over a decade. Go to any sail loft and you will see several varieties and brands of double ripstop thread sailcloths. Any sailmaker will tell you that polyester based ripstop cloth is well suited to use in kite canopies (primarily, because it tends to not stretch much when wet), but it is also well known that when polyester rips it tends to rip enough until the load that caused the rip is released, does not matter if it has 2 rows of ripstop threads or not.
We have seen dozens of Technoforce D2 kites in for repair with large LE to TE rips this summer in similar numbers to other brands that use the plain Teijin Technoforce fabric, and this is what I've based this statement on, just facts (and advice from very experienced sailors and sailmakers), not biased opinions.

BrisKites
QLD, 1286 posts
22 Mar 2013 5:28PM
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@ kitepower The only thing I mentioned about the instructors comments was that the kite he suggested would actually be a good option. I made no mention of anything else he may or may not have said. You also mentioned the REO would be a good option but last time I checked it was a pure surf kite and Rophuine clearly stated he would be interested in freestyle also.

Actually I find it's the best way for a beginner to choose a kite. I didn't say my list was THE list, just that they should gather a clear idea of their priorities and what they do and don't want in a kite. Everybody has to start somewhere.


- Dozens of D2 kites with large LE to Te rips?? Surely this must be a Sydney anomaly because I haven't seen a single one. Actually the only canopy damage we have been getting on them is as a direct result of contact with sharp objects.

If there are any North D2 cloth kite owners out there who have had their canopy ripped from LE to Te please let us know now on this thread.

mofo
QLD, 91 posts
22 Mar 2013 6:47PM
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Been using north kites for the last 6 years , I still occasionally use a 2008 rhino ( still bullet proof with probably 1000 hrs on it) . Since north started using the new cloth I have never seen 1 kite rip in half . Have seen a few driven in to mangrove trees and bounced off concrete bike paths and never seen any badly damaged. I have only seen 1 rip a leading edge when it was driven into sharp rocks.
On the other hand have lost count of the number of b3's and b4's I've seen in pieces.

The older norths did have valve issues , but I've had other brand kites of the same vintage that have also had valve issues.

22 Mar 2013 8:53PM
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BrisKites said...
@ kitepower The only thing I mentioned about the instructors comments was that the kite he suggested would actually be a good option. I made no mention of anything else he may or may not have said. You also mentioned the REO would be a good option but last time I checked it was a pure surf kite and Rophuine clearly stated he would be interested in freestyle also.

Actually I find it's the best way for a beginner to choose a kite. I didn't say my list was THE list, just that they should gather a clear idea of their priorities and what they do and don't want in a kite. Everybody has to start somewhere.


- Dozens of D2 kites with large LE to Te rips?? Surely this must be a Sydney anomaly because I haven't seen a single one. Actually the only canopy damage we have been getting on them is as a direct result of contact with sharp objects.

If there are any North D2 cloth kite owners out there who have had their canopy ripped from LE to Te please let us know now on this thread.



Fair enough Jason. I'm just amazed and frustrated that someone working for a reputable shop would be silly enough to diss Cabrinha and Ozone kites. Agree the Evo would be ok, disagree that the bar is a well built/designed bit of kit. There are dozens of threads about rapid center line wear and other issues with the center hole. There are also dozens of threads on this forum and others about valve delam, batten issues, and tearing, denial is just a river in Egypt.

It is completely reasonable and probably factual to state that 99% of canopy splits and tears on all kites are due to contact with sharp objects. Most people are either in denial or simply unaware that there was a cut was on their kite and that when that area of the kite is subject to a high load by a wave or a heavy high speed impact, the kite has to split. The existence of an extra ripstop thread will not stop a split from happening over virtually the same fabric made by the same company (Teijin) called Technoforce, that almost all other top brands are made from.

Cabrinha kites have used a double ripstop material on their kites for several years and I believe that D2 fabric was simply something created to bolster then image of the brand that bought the sole rights to that product for a few years.

As far as I'm aware there are no reputable kites made with a material made in Korea? Teijin D2 and Technoforce, of which 80% of kite canopies are made is made in Japan. Neil Pryde/Cabrinha use cloth manufactured to their own specs from a variety of leading manufacturers listed here www.neilprydesails.com/component/users/?view=login&Itemid=101

On the Reo recommendation, its a wave kite that is also a freestyle kite because it unhooks well and has predictable behaviour and great stability. There as schools in Oz using Reos for teaching.

gcdave
534 posts
22 Mar 2013 7:00PM
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Kitepower Australia said...


On the Reo recommendation, its a wave kite that is also a freestyle kite because it unhooks well and has predictable behaviour and great stability. There as schools in Oz using Reos for teaching.


Thats like saying u can use a torch in the surf. Totally different piece of pie,imo

22 Mar 2013 11:34PM
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gcdave said...
Kitepower Australia said...


On the Reo recommendation, its a wave kite that is also a freestyle kite because it unhooks well and has predictable behaviour and great stability. There as schools in Oz using Reos for teaching.


Thats like saying u can use a torch in the surf. Totally different piece of pie,imo



Nope, you said that not me. The Reo is not a Torch, which is a C-kite, although I'm sure a competent kiter could use one in surf.
The Reo is a bridled 3 strut kite, quite like the other 3 strut Ozone kite I've recommended, the Catalyst, and there are schools that teach with Reos with no hassles.

Rophuine
5 posts
22 Mar 2013 8:58PM
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I appreciate all the advice guys, lots of good stuff there for me to digest - but ultimately I'm inclined to stick with the initial advice I got and look at the evo. New kite price is a bit steep, but it sounds like the 2013 bar has done a lot to address the power line wear issue and it otherwise sounds like a good fit for me - good beginner kite that will take my through whatever style riding I want a stab at.

Go easy on my instructor - he was telling me what to buy at the end of a 2+ hour lesson with a pretty direct onshore wind, so I had just spent a lot of time slogging through knee-deep+ water to get back up-wind, and was absorbing a lot of new stuff too. He did say I was better with North or Naish and I should avoid Ozone or Cabrinha, but he might have put it as personal preference.

BrisKites
QLD, 1286 posts
22 Mar 2013 11:18PM
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Kitepower Australia said...

Fair enough Jason. I'm just amazed and frustrated that someone working for a reputable shop would be silly enough to diss Cabrinha and Ozone kites. Agree the Evo would be ok, disagree that the bar is a well built/designed bit of kit. There are dozens of threads about rapid center line wear and other issues with the center hole. There are also dozens of threads on this forum and others about valve delam, batten issues, and tearing, denial is just a river in Egypt.


Why are you telling me this? I havent mentioned the instructor as neither you or I know who he is. Where did it say he works for a shop?
Also with the bar, where did I mention the North bar? It's almost like your using conversations to push your own agenda Steven.
The current North centre hole is sacrificial plastic and none of our 2013 ropes are showing signs of wear. We also haven't had a single valve delimitation on any 2012 or 2013 North kite. Or any batten issues.

Kitepower Australia said...
The existence of an extra ripstop thread will not stop a split from happening over virtually the same fabric made by the same company (Teijin) called Technoforce, that almost all other top brands are made from.

Who said the only difference with the D2 was the addition of an extra thread?
I do a lot of repairs here and the difference in the damage to kites is clearly visible. Not marketing, not a pipe dream but real world results in limiting canopy damage.

Kitepower Australia said...
Cabrinha kites have used a double ripstop material on their kites for several years and I believe that D2 fabric was simply something created to bolster then image of the brand that bought the sole rights to that product for a few years.

I thought we were discussing the canopy, not the leading edge.

Kitepower Australia said...
As far as I'm aware there are no reputable kites made with a material made in Korea? Teijin D2 and Technoforce, of which 80% of kite canopies are made is made in Japan. Neil Pryde/Cabrinha use cloth manufactured to their own specs from a variety of leading manufacturers listed here www.neilprydesails.com/component/users/?view=login&Itemid=101

There are companies using Korean cloth.
I never mentioned Cabrinha and their cloth but since you broached the topic yes the cloth used on many Cabrinha kites over the years has in my opinion proven to be far inferior to Teijin.

The way I see it is we are all entitled to our opinions and beliefs but in the end they are just that.


BrisKites
QLD, 1286 posts
22 Mar 2013 11:21PM
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Oh sorry forgot,
Welcome to this fantastic sport of kiteboarding Rophuine.
It's 90% the operator 9% equipment and 1% luck.

Enjoy!

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
22 Mar 2013 9:24PM
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eppo said...
windtzu said...
Eppo a retailer once told me the Edge was a kite he used to teach beginners on. That's why I mentioned it.



Really an edge? To teach on? Wow, I suppose his students would be on a steep learning curve...lol. I could see an advantage when learning to plane...but that would be it. No a high aspect kite flies to fast across the window and hunts that edge like a dehydrated dingo in a desert looking for water...not attributes you want a beginner to experience...in my most humble opinion...


in the correct winds epps in the wrong winds no, ive had a young bloke holding ground in 4 hrs of lessons on a 2010 edge, i started him on the cat, and could see he needed that extra balls, bingo up he went , dragged him through instead of slumping down, imo a fast small kite has a lot more potential to spank your arse than a slower turning big kite all in the correct winds, if you ask most kiters what the most annoying feeling was when learning most would say a lack of pull when water starting, you see it all the time dive slump, dive slump, usually a increase of power or a pointer on board position ie not ocean plowing gets them up, oh that kid that got up in 4 hrs hasnt bothered since it was all to easy to him

nugs
NSW, 79 posts
23 Mar 2013 2:45AM
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Rophuine said...

Rider: 88kg beginner
Style: Freeriding, but interested in freestyle and wave down the track

I've had a few lessons and I'm looking at picking up my first set of gear. My local has recommended the North Evo 12m, but I was hoping to get some other opinions. The Ozone Catalyst looks like it's in the same sort of category - beginner-friendly all-rounder, but I got warned off Ozone.

I guess I'm looking at winds in the teens and twenties - 12m seems to be a pretty popular size at Sandgate. It'd be nice to find a kite that'll be suitable for hitting the surf once I'm more comfortable, too.


The advice given by Briskites and Kitepower is good advice regarding kite choice. Listen to Eppo too as he gives good kite reviews and can give you some good info. But all that the technical information and arguments may be a little overwhelming for a beginner and you may not understand everything they are talking about.

If you can afford a new kite then buy one of the kites suggested by briskites or kitepower. You cannot go wrong. You probably won't notice all the technical stuff people are arguing about until you're an experienced rider anyway.

Don't forget to look at the Rebel too. The edge is a good kite but it is not for beginners.

If the price of a new kite is too steep then look at a late model second hand kite from the kite shops or on Seabreeze.

At the end of the day you won't truly know what kite suits you best until you have some more experience and have tried other kites at demo days and from other kiters. Everyone has different preferences and the kite that you begin with may not be the kite you are using 2 or 3 years down the track.

BTW 12M is a good size for your weight. But don't forget your board too. The board size makes a big difference when learning if you're using a TT.

Good Luck!!

windtzu
93 posts
23 Mar 2013 1:25AM
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Nugs also mentioned the need for good board. At the risk of starting a new string of debate, I'll throw my newbie experience from last year into the ring. Like kites I agree that a beginner really can't really appreciate the nuances of character from different kites and anything that's "beginner friendly" will suffice.

I started early on learning with a Spleene Door. It worked well enough and I sure wasn't couldn't tell the difference. Here's but another "beginner friendly" if not unusual alternative. A buddy of mine recommended I try a 2012 North Skimfish w/ straps. I did and I loved it. Having a bit of volume like a directional, it gave me a few extra seconds of float with my beginner awkward flying skills. This alone can quicken the learning curve for newbies. It has the width to plane up as quickly and easily as the door styled boards. Having twin tip fins on both ends of the board, I could ride it in either direction just like a tt. The straps are centered on the board as well as possible.

At my 72 kg bodyweight the Spleene Door sometimes became a handful, with the edge skittering along like a runaway snowboard down an icy hill. The Skimfish would just slide a bit, gently catch it's rail and then move you forward. It was forgiving. I placed a makeshift handle on it to help position the board for water starts.

Later I took off the straps and it became my strapless learning tool. Now it's my light wind toy and shallow water - low tide small mushy wave toy (tt fins are short vs surfboard). Having a flat bottom it can get bouncy in heavy chop and higher winds, but this may be less of an issue for someone heavier. Since the nose has some scoop to it, I'll ride it tail first. The nose now becomes the tail and gives the board some rocker to smooth out chop and makes it fun to swell ride. It's a versatile beginner board alternative to a twin tip. I progressed faster on this board verses the Spleene. I since sold the Door.

stuntnaz
NSW, 540 posts
23 Mar 2013 11:12AM
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Hi mate i have been kiting for a few years now and have used Cabrinha,Slingshot and now Griffin . I would suggest having a look at Griffin Argo's
Because your at the learning stage and your going to give your first kite a work out the Griffin is a lot cheaper than the name brands and i have found a bit more durable as well , they are really easy to relaunch in the surf and flat water which helps heaps for beginners and have a really good wind range .
I found that i progressed more on the Griffin Argo than any of my previous kites
Hope this helps you out !!

eppo
WA, 9482 posts
23 Mar 2013 8:26AM
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cauncy said...
eppo said...
windtzu said...
Eppo a retailer once told me the Edge was a kite he used to teach beginners on. That's why I mentioned it.



Really an edge? To teach on? Wow, I suppose his students would be on a steep learning curve...lol. I could see an advantage when learning to plane...but that would be it. No a high aspect kite flies to fast across the window and hunts that edge like a dehydrated dingo in a desert looking for water...not attributes you want a beginner to experience...in my most humble opinion...


in the correct winds epps in the wrong winds no, ive had a young bloke holding ground in 4 hrs of lessons on a 2010 edge, i started him on the cat, and could see he needed that extra balls, bingo up he went , dragged him through instead of slumping down, imo a fast small kite has a lot more potential to spank your arse than a slower turning big kite all in the correct winds, if you ask most kiters what the most annoying feeling was when learning most would say a lack of pull when water starting, you see it all the time dive slump, dive slump, usually a increase of power or a pointer on board position ie not ocean plowing gets them up, oh that kid that got up in 4 hrs hasnt bothered since it was all to easy to him




Yeh cauncy that's what meant when I said learning to plane. I agree.

eppo
WA, 9482 posts
23 Mar 2013 8:30AM
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windtzu said...
Nugs also mentioned the need for good board. At the risk of starting a new string of debate, I'll throw my newbie experience from last year into the ring. Like kites I agree that a beginner really can't really appreciate the nuances of character from different kites and anything that's "beginner friendly" will suffice.

I started early on learning with a Spleene Door. It worked well enough and I sure wasn't couldn't tell the difference. Here's but another "beginner friendly" if not unusual alternative. A buddy of mine recommended I try a 2012 North Skimfish w/ straps. I did and I loved it. Having a bit of volume like a directional, it gave me a few extra seconds of float with my beginner awkward flying skills. This alone can quicken the learning curve for newbies. It has the width to plane up as quickly and easily as the door styled boards. Having twin tip fins on both ends of the board, I could ride it in either direction just like a tt. The straps are centered on the board as well as possible.

At my 72 kg bodyweight the Spleene Door sometimes became a handful, with the edge skittering along like a runaway snowboard down an icy hill. The Skimfish would just slide a bit, gently catch it's rail and then move you forward. It was forgiving. I placed a makeshift handle on it to help position the board for water starts.

Later I took off the straps and it became my strapless learning tool. Now it's my light wind toy and shallow water - low tide small mushy wave toy (tt fins are short vs surfboard). Having a flat bottom it can get bouncy in heavy chop and higher winds, but this may be less of an issue for someone heavier. Since the nose has some scoop to it, I'll ride it tail first. The nose now becomes the tail and gives the board some rocker to smooth out chop and makes it fun to swell ride. It's a versatile beginner board alternative to a twin tip. I progressed faster on this board verses the Spleene. I since sold the Door.






Good angle windtzu on the north skim fish. Never thought of that but I think you make a strong argument for that type of board.



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