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Created by aus230 > 9 months ago, 15 Apr 2013
aus230
WA, 1659 posts
15 Apr 2013 11:52PM
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Dam can not help myself. I think I am going to build one of these. Probly have the only one but what the heck

gibberjoe
SA, 956 posts
16 Apr 2013 9:25AM
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so confusing......attractive woman speaking whatever as intro

unatractive male giving sales pitch in unknown lingo

Action... very nice yacht doing its best to fly, with english sign writing

so why wouldnt you build one ?

< that's a yes from the kids!

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
16 Apr 2013 9:34PM
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Give me a yell when you need the wood to laminate for that axle Vic , its all in my shed, Bill finch has a choice of 2 great molds for your body.................

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
16 Apr 2013 10:59PM
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Hey Thanks for that Paul. Still trying to get the idea out of my head. But you know me.
I am gathering info from all over the place at the moment. If I go ahead I will build a strip body same as my Kayaks I can build it as light fiberglass and to the shape I want.
The timber for the spring boards looked like being a problem Thanks for the offer much appreciated.
Cheers
Vic

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
16 Apr 2013 11:03PM
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This one is strip built and was for sail in NZ

www.trademe.co.nz/sports/kites-kitesurfing/other/auction-569932788.htm

gibberjoe
SA, 956 posts
17 Apr 2013 9:25AM
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That is a good bit of vid ^^^^ seems like a great thing to do here

Cape Keradin >>>> Whallal West Australias best bit of beach

<<<<< "YER Yer Hurrah " says the landyachting Orangatangs

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
18 Apr 2013 6:55PM
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aus230 said...
Hey Thanks for that Paul. Still trying to get the idea out of my head. But you know me.
I am gathering info from all over the place at the moment. If I go ahead I will build a strip body same as my Kayaks I can build it as light fiberglass and to the shape I want.
The timber for the spring boards looked like being a problem Thanks for the offer much appreciated.
Cheers
Vic


the strip build part would be easy for you. Colin palmer(NZ) built some ripper machines . the top is a reflection of the bottom with a hole cut for you to climb in.
Ive got a selection of Oregon planks salvaged over the years that I cant bear to chop into shorter bits as they are all perfect for axle making. work out what you need length wise and let me know.
you can even strip build a wingmast , or go straight to a 2 element wing.
keep in mind that the yachts in the demusyere video were all bigger class 2 yachts. demusyeres are class2 pilots and thats that

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
18 Apr 2013 7:54PM
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Thanks Paul.
I have email's going every where at the moment. Yes I knew that was a class2 but if I do it I will go class3 with a strip built mast 300mmx 5mt. and get a sail to suit.
The axle are 3.8m x175mmx20mm Three pieces
Spring board 2.5mx175mmx20mm Three pieces.
Would tazzi oak be suitable?
Starting to get keen.

Chook2
WA, 1244 posts
19 Apr 2013 12:25AM
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Starting to get keen.


Rubbish Vic!!!!

I bet you have already swept your shed floor to start this.

This new "Black beast" will really honk.

I'm just plain envious............

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
19 Apr 2013 2:24PM
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Have you got spy's out Chook.
Yes the idea will not get out of my head so I drew a full size plan of the shape I thought I would like and cut some forms and strips. I am not going to post it it construction yet. Not until I am fully committed. Just something to do at the moment.




gibberjoe
SA, 956 posts
19 Apr 2013 4:50PM
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" Bloody Hell Aus !" you been looking in my shetch book at the "Gunnadoo"

Just waiting for the credit Ok from lotto !

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
19 Apr 2013 8:10PM
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happy with the shape so far, may round of the bottom a little more








Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
19 Apr 2013 9:48PM
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Just a hint for profile shape, have a think at which angle the apparent wind will be hitting the yacht.
ie. if the apparent wind is say 10 deg off the nose what is the cross section then?
That's why on many high performance yachts use an elliptical fuselage section.

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
19 Apr 2013 9:20PM
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Thanks Gizmo
Looking at it I think I can round the top a bit more to. There does not appear to be any plans available for these yachts anywhere I have tried Europe,England(Getting some info and Measurements and pic from there)USA and New Zealand(Offered to help but no plans available)
I am flying blind on this one so all advice is welcome
Cheers
Vic
The new airtrack's have fairly high sides

gibberjoe
SA, 956 posts
20 Apr 2013 7:45AM
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Hey Aus! , what's the central fence rail thingo. is it just there for building or do

it stay as the chassi rail/strengthner. you have caused me to revisit/dust off the

plans of "Gunnadoo", I dont know that be silly or brilliant.

wokelliott
WA, 179 posts
20 Apr 2013 8:25AM
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Gees Vic, all this so far and you say you are just thinking about building !!

That bar behind the pilots head is an ideal place to fit a boom traveller. I notice the wheels are fairly upright, is that the way they are going now also?...w

US772
332 posts
20 Apr 2013 9:46AM
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I built a strip plank class 3 once. A top and a bottom identical shapes glassed inside and out then put in guts and bond together.

-get.google.com/albumarchive/pwa/117118087379243990757/LakesideCabinetryInc

picasaweb.google.com/117118087379243990757/LakesideCabinetryInc#5614026339858774594

If I did it again I would make to sides and glue down the centerline. It would be much easier.
John

LBCBUGEYE
17 posts
20 Apr 2013 9:52AM
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Is this of intrest?
I am trying to find the rest of the plan in my archive

Sylk
WA, 215 posts
20 Apr 2013 10:02AM
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So long as you work very slowly lefroy might have dried out by the time you finish.

Clemco
430 posts
20 Apr 2013 10:02AM
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This is the real one from Graham's plan in the post above

Clemco
430 posts
20 Apr 2013 10:28AM
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This is the original strip plank plug made by Colin Palmer back in the early 1990s.
Note the elliptical cross section.
The mold from that plug has produced many of the top class 3s racing today.
Also my class5 pod is from the rear half of that mold. Thanks Colin.

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
20 Apr 2013 10:40AM
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Great for all the input. I was going to copy the New Zealand but decided to do my own version (to challenge this old head) but keep the info coming it all helps. Only seen these yachts once.
Made a few more changes to the hull shape getting close what to want.



Chook2
WA, 1244 posts
20 Apr 2013 3:16PM
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Have you got spy's out Chook.


No Vic, but after getting to know you, a man of your abilities is never idle.
I took an educated guess, that you were on the case.

Wow, I'm impressed already with your design.

What materials is the mast constructed of?

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
20 Apr 2013 6:40PM
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US772, thanks for the info, Maybe you can help with a couple of questions I have and a plan or pic.
1: how is the mast support attached to the hull and is the hull strengthened
up in that area.
2: How is the mast attached to the hull.
3: How is the springboard attached to the hull, Looks like the front stay bracket goes through the back of the board?

Chook.
Still trying to find info to build a strong light wing mast.(looking at strip built at the moment)

Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
20 Apr 2013 8:55PM
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wokelliott said...
That bar behind the pilots head is an ideal place to fit a boom traveller. I notice the wheels are fairly upright, is that the way they are going now also?...w


Big yachts have big loads on them, the wheels are probably upright to minimise bearing strain. Talk to any engineer and its well known that bearings are not at their optimum running with a twist in them (like Class5).
Twisted bearings don't survive long if you were running them 24/7 on heavy loaded machinery or a production line.

At one stage I did a lot of work on some machinery that needed to be modified to gimbal bearings for that exact problem.... With fixed bearings the best we would get is 3 months constant use in a high load / high humidity location, I add gimbals, 5 years ago and they are still going strong.

Alfa / Beanshoot tumblers (runs 24/7 for 10 days then harvested, cleaned and reseeded then back into production. A full revolution takes about 10 mins)


Test pilot 1
WA, 1430 posts
20 Apr 2013 7:36PM
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Gimbals = self centreing
If we used solid axle wheels could we use gimbals on axle supports e.g. front forks
Would perhaps simplify wheel construction

US772
332 posts
20 Apr 2013 9:34PM
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aus230 said...
US772, thanks for the info, Maybe you can help with a couple of questions I have and a plan or pic.
1: how is the mast support attached to the hull and is the hull strengthened
up in that area.
2: How is the mast attached to the hull.
3: How is the springboard attached to the hull, Looks like the front stay bracket goes through the back of the board?

Chook.
Still trying to find info to build a strong light wing mast.(looking at strip built at the moment)



I put 2 bulkheads about 12'' apart for and aft in between the mast step. I would run solid wood 1x3.5'' all the way from the bow to the front edge of the fuselage for strength. The CP boats have a vertical plywood web( I ran 2 internal bob stays with turn buckles) that runs under neath the center line of the boat from bow to front of the fuselage. It kind of tapers up from the maststep / feet area to zero where the cockpit opening is. If you build a FISLY 3 a spring board is not needed because they are too short. This boat is nice and thick = strong up front and probably easier to make than a CP type boat. for FISLY 3 - www.pbase.com:443/waltercarels/image/129320450. I think the FISLY 3 is about 12' 5'' max from front wheel axle to rear wheel axle. Look at the FISLY class rules if you go that way. I don't know if this is something you would consider going to the Worlds with but we are only having FISLY class 3 no PAC rim class 3 this time. To my suprise there are quite a few FISLY 3 boats signed up all ready with the intent on competing. We may convert some of our boats to FISLY 3 specs. Some in the US all ready have. In europe it appears that the smaller FISLY class 3 boats are just as fast if not faster than most of the class 2 boats. I'm guessing because of their lightness and maneuverability. On a dry lake bed a bigger platform is better but more of a hassle to store transport and set up.
If you decide to go Pac Rim 3 I would build a spring board. I cut bulkheads to allow the spring board to go through them on the center line. I would use at least 3 bulkheads spaced out to receive them. I also made a longer plywood skinned fuselage too. It uses bulkheads and stringer construction technique. Both types of construction take about an equally long time to make. Ply wood boat or Wingnut 3-
picasaweb.google.com/117118087379243990757/LakesideCabinetryInc#5614028161621950898
picasaweb.google.com/117118087379243990757/LakesideCabinetryInc#5614028422383127234
picasaweb.google.com/117118087379243990757/LakesideCabinetryInc#5614027987939472242
picasaweb.google.com/117118087379243990757/LakesideCabinetryInc#5614029148978434002

you will have to join this group to view the pictures of extensive construction of Wingnut 3-
groups.yahoo.com/group/wingboats/photos/album/1833098345/pic/list

John

cisco
QLD, 12337 posts
21 Apr 2013 12:03AM
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aus230 said...

Dam can not help myself. I think I am going to build one of these. Probably have the only one but what the heck


With the responses and offers of assistance both physical and technical so far, I think you are in Vic.

If you back out now we will not think less of you but will assume you are in the ICU at your nearest hospital.

Just go over to construction and start the thread.

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
20 Apr 2013 10:29PM
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Thanks US772
That is great info
Something thing I was not aware of is that the FISLY class3 are smaller than the PACRIM class3


Cisco
I will when I have enough info, the hull is the easy part.
So I guess I would think that I am still in the research stage.

I still have to find info on building a light wood wing mast.
Cheers
Vic

gibberjoe
SA, 956 posts
21 Apr 2013 7:42AM
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thought experiment.........why not put a swivel, left to right, in your

boom. have your sail loose foot from the mast to the swivel, about

300mm then attached to the boom to end of boom. Would it add to

the sail being a bit like a wing effect. If it do then it would be easier

cheaper shorter building time. Tell me im not wrong.



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