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I'm a Scot and I've built a yacht!

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Created by skidmark > 9 months ago, 7 Sep 2010
skidmark
16 posts
7 Sep 2010 3:07AM
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Hello everybody, greetings from Scotland,
After reading many a blog from your forum, and gaining many ideas from the many home made land yachts out there, I thought it only fair to share my build experience with you.

I started with a sketch to get some dimensions sorted, the picture isn't very clear but it was good to have a plan to work too, or at least half a plan, some of this stuff was a case of make it up as I went along.


I'm working offshore in Brazil at the moment and the internet is pretty slow. I had hoped to get all the build photos in but it's going to take too long. Heres a picture of the finished article, The red sail was home modified and there was a tent sacrifice involved! the yellow sail was also partly home modified but it broke the wifes sewing machine! it pains me to have to tell you I had to put my hand in my pocket and pay someone else to sew it for me.




Hopefully you will notice that it does bear some resemblance to the plan I sail at Dornoch beach and I've been over to Harris too. 61kph on Luskentyre beach! it was braw!

As soon as I get home I'll post the rest of the pictures. I've actually started the Mark2 version so I'll post pics of that too. I've to build another for my 8year old daughter too! Its a right little production line going on here!

Let me have your thoughts please.





desertyank
1260 posts
7 Sep 2010 5:05AM
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The plans are pretty hard to read, but if you're having fun, the yacht is PERFECT!!!!!

hills
SA, 1622 posts
7 Sep 2010 8:03AM
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HAHAHahaha!! Love your forum name!! At 61Kph its very appropriate!

The yacht looks excellent and obvioulsy performs very well. I'm looking forward to more pictures! Well done!

Hiko
1229 posts
7 Sep 2010 7:53AM
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The smile on your face says it all Great job !!
Thats what its all about Hope it doesnt get too braw !

j murray
SA, 947 posts
7 Sep 2010 10:00AM
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yep Skid,

you got the bug there too, plans look like they came from Divinchi

not a worry...............tight sheets

Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
7 Sep 2010 10:57AM
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Got to love the "Mini" yacht concept.... starting to become an International class

IPKSA
177 posts
7 Sep 2010 3:45PM
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Nice work Skidmark -
Welcome to the exciting world of miniyachts as Gizmo says "International" .
If you ever head across the pond to Ireland give me a shout.

Also may be worth keeping an eye on www.ipksa.info as there is the odd excursion to Luce.

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landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
7 Sep 2010 7:57PM
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which i believe is the same as braw

skidmark
16 posts
7 Sep 2010 9:49PM
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Thanks for your comments guys, Will post some build photos later today, might get a couple uploaded each day? Internet on a go slow.

Recognition from the "Guru" Mr Landyacht himself, Thats made my day!!

skidmark
16 posts
8 Sep 2010 3:20AM
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Here are some photos of the build as promised,




I opted for a double yoke fork, 1" tubing for the stantions and 40x3mm flatbar for the yokes, Forgive my mixture of Imperial and metric, when I served my time I had to use both, ask an apprentice nowadays how many thou in an inch and you might get a blank expression!




4.80 x 4.00 x 8 wheels from allterraintyres.com, they have a huge selection of wheels for just about anything. £75 for the three. 20mm bearings probably the very same as your Fallshaws?




Back axle complete, 48mm welded tubing, slightly heavier than I would have liked but the stubshafts fit inside with a few thou clearance. I secured them with some welded sleeves to make a couple of pinch points.




Close up of the pinch clamps, and a collar to act as a stop when assembling. The overlap of the two pieces is 120mm. The axle was cut and welded with a 5deg camber at either end.





skidmark
16 posts
8 Sep 2010 3:42AM
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Forks and main spine attached.




The overall dimensions are approx 1500mm wide x 1600mm long,




A simple lynch pin to hold the wheel on and an even simpler piece of alcathene water pipe for wheel spacers, they even match my colour scheme.

IPKSA
177 posts
8 Sep 2010 5:38AM
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Nice tasty work there Skidmark.

That front fork...hmmmm , think I've seen that design somewhere in a previous life .Lol

Well done on a great build.

Alan


skidmark
16 posts
8 Sep 2010 3:15PM
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IPKSA - why change something that works? although the only thing about this type of steering geometry is that there is no self centering, its a pain to push along, raising the front end and pulling is the only option. There is also a little bit of under steer at speed.




Seat on and chassis bracing on, only temporary seat cover, I needed somewhere to sit and ponder over mast and rigging assemblies!




Mast foot attached with the pinch bolt method same as rear axle, fitted a stop inside about 250mm down from the top for the mast to sit on, the mouth was later flared. 10 deg rake. Anybody in the Highland region looking for a good metal stockist, I used B&M Steel in Inverness, they only sell stock lengths but at a reasonable price. Therefore I have enough steel left for the next two projects!




Some Scottish weather never held me up, The uncut sail on, its a Tushingham 4.2m2 I unpicked the mast sleeve, cut off some of the luff curve and attached it back on with double sided tape, Then I broke the wifes sewing machine! A local tarp specialist charged me a fortune to finish the job! gutted! £70 for only 8m of sewing? We have a saying in Scotland, "ripping off gypsy b*#@&£d"




Sewing machine fixed! Seat cover made from reinforced polyamide (I think?) Punched some eyelets around the perimeter and attached with some cord, just like a trampoline but without the bounce!.





Rigging on, this Dolphin sail was made from lighter cloth so I was able to modify it myself, its about 4.5 m2 after the cutting. I added a single batton to hold its shape. The boom is the same 1" tubing from the forks, A rowlock pinch clamped into the end to allow replacing if needed, a couple of anchor loops for the sail carabiners to attach, a stop ring to prevent the rigging sliding down the boom and last but not least a small lumi flag to stop people walking into the end of it!




My son enjoying the 20 knots available that day at Dornoch beach.

Well thats it folks, I'm about £3oo light and put in about 20ish hours graft, not too shabby if you compare that to the cost of a Blowkart.
I have some other action shots which I will dig out and post as soon as I can.
I have also started the Mk2 version, Seat redesign, wheel change and rigging changes, but kept the chassis design 90%ish, I will keep you all informed.

Thanks for looking.



landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
8 Sep 2010 6:52PM
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when you make your next front end, make the fork pivot line up with the contact patch of the tyre on the ground. next time you see a harley with long raked forks you will see that even those pig bikes do the same. that will correct your self steering issues
i suppose your biggest bad expense was the canvas man

skidmark
16 posts
9 Sep 2010 11:56AM
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landyacht said...

when you make your next front end, make the fork pivot line up with the contact patch of the tyre on the ground. next time you see a harley with long raked forks you will see that even those pig bikes do the same. that will correct your self steering issues
i suppose your biggest bad expense was the canvas man


The canvas man was a rogue, I think my biggest mistake was arriving in my Discovery, should have parked round the corner and walked in, why is it in this country people think you're loaded if you drive a 4x4?
The adjustment of fork inclination sounds like just what I need, will start on a new design asap, think I might just make the yokes wider and offset the holes for the stantions, top and bottom being opposite of course, just need to work out my offsets and it'll be braw!
Thanks for the advice Landyacht.

IPKSA
177 posts
10 Sep 2010 3:45AM
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Skidmark,

Maybe you could try making up a front end like we use -

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Land-Yacht-Sailing/Construction/KISS-Our-Front-end/?SearchTerms=KISS

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
10 Sep 2010 10:28AM
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I will thank you guys to not use foul language in this forum!!!!

I believe I just read a really nasty word here.......

Discovery. Land rover Stch Stch Stch. That is nasty.. Least ways in my circle and the drivers are just as bad as Volvo Drivers.
Up until that Nasty Nasty Word I was enjoying reading our Braw Wee Lads Topic.

Skidmark, How is the Pinch Mast Setup going? I would have thought at such a stress point that it would be a sitter for Metal Fatigue??

Nikrum

skidmark
16 posts
11 Sep 2010 1:06PM
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Nikrum said...



I will thank you guys to not use foul language in this forum!!!!

I believe I just read a really nasty word here.......

Discovery. Land rover Stch Stch Stch. That is nasty.. Least ways in my circle and the drivers are just as bad as Volvo Drivers.
Up until that Nasty Nasty Word I was enjoying reading our Braw Wee Lads Topic.

Skidmark, How is the Pinch Mast Setup going? I would have thought at such a stress point that it would be a sitter for Metal Fatigue??

Nikrum


Hello Nikrum,




Thats all I need to say on the Landrover matter!

As for the mast foot, Its a 60mm steel tube, it overlaps the spiggot on the chassis by 150mm and is secured with two M8 bolts. Showing no sign of any bending to induce a fatigue break, I think it will out last me!


Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
13 Sep 2010 8:24AM
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Shees! What has happened to the Good Ol' Scot, loosing their taste for War. Damn! I thought I could have easily started one. Stch stch, Oh well! I guess my wife is one of the old blood. LOL with a touch of the Hun thrown in
. She is one of the line that was chucked out during the Clearances. I guess I just will have to find a POME or a Yank to pick on [}:)]

skidmark
16 posts
13 Sep 2010 1:10PM
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Nikrum said...

Shees! What has happened to the Good Ol' Scot, loosing their taste for War. Damn! I thought I could have easily started one. Stch stch, Oh well! I guess my wife is one of the old blood. LOL with a touch of the Hun thrown in
. She is one of the line that was chucked out during the Clearances. I guess I just will have to find a POME or a Yank to pick on [}:)]


I,m from a place called Culloden, and if my memory serves me correctly we don't do wars very well,I'm sure my primary school teacher told me in the 1746 Battle of culloden, the Jacobites turned up to the battlefield with 4" cannons and 5" balls or visa versa either way we lost
Where's your wife from?

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
14 Sep 2010 9:58AM
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She is now a Williams nee Balderston from NZ. They evidently were chucked out of Scotland and went to NZ via Nova Scotia. It doesn't surprise me that they were chucked out either--------They can be a bad tempered lot Her Grand mother went to Brazil from Scotland when she was a teenager and found her way to NZ and Married a German. Man that is a bad mix. ME somewheres down the line my dads side found their way here from GB (Cockney lot I think) and Mums lot found there way here------probably with shackles---------from GB as well, Moody, wherever they originate from Norman lot I think. What a mix my son is Flaming Red Hair down his back and Bloody well 6'6" tall. Big bugger likes to go out into the paddocks and hold Bulls out to Piddle or put them over the fence to confuse the Farmers
nikrum


skidmark
16 posts
14 Sep 2010 1:00PM
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That is a fairly mixed up clan you have there, I've got some Polish blood in me, my grandfather was an engineer, came over during WW2, Spent many a cold night in the shed being his apprentice. Its a pity niether of us had seen a land yacht back then, they would have been pouring out the shed door. He's passed away now but his skills live on

Test pilot 1
WA, 1430 posts
14 Sep 2010 6:46PM
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Is this a meeting of the Seabreeze Genealogical Society?

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
14 Sep 2010 11:10PM
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Just trying to find common ground here.. I can't seem to start a war with the Scots.

Yeah! Culloden! I know a little about the Battle of Culloden Moore and I believe that the bigger the Balls the better, but you have to have the gear to fire them with.
I reckon the best thing to come out of Scotland is the 15yro Taliska, though I am quite partial to a snifter of Poit Dubh. Your Bowmores are a nice drop as well... Dang! Only stuff not worth a squirt are the Blends. Years ago I wasted good money on Johny Walker Blue and Royal Salute both to me were reminiscent of White Spirit tarted up with Tan Boot Polish and Vanilla . Nope, I'm not a snob just know what I like and the Tardis has a good collection of empties to prove it. Now there is a coincidence my Paternal Grandfather was a son and apprentice of a Blacksmith, he later joined the Royal Engineers and became a Steam Engine Driver and as the story is told when he came here he worked a a Mechanic for Rolls Royce.

skidmark
16 posts
17 Sep 2010 1:05PM
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Glenmorangie is my tipple, I pass the distillery on my way to the beach too!

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
17 Sep 2010 9:17PM
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Yep! I have a couple of those in my collection and i must agree it is a very nice Water of Life. I find it a little like "Peters Back"
Mind you I'm not impressed with your proximity of the Stills.
Ron W
Have you checked out the latest ideas in my posts?? Just working out a build (Nikrum) The ideas may interest you.

tassiefubar
TAS, 113 posts
6 Oct 2010 3:18PM
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Hi Skidmark,(I so love that moniker)

You have some serious issues!!!!
1 You drive a Discovery
2 You ride a GSA 1150
3 You build land yachts
ALL VERY SAD REALLY

I know what you are thinking....oh yes!!!

How do I know this?
JUST LOOK AT MY LITTLE OPERATION
TOTALLY CERTIFIABLE
We even have the same bloody trailer....and we live 20 thousand miles away!!
You need to see somebody....I did .....it didn't help
And it snows here too!
When are you coming to Tassie?





hills
SA, 1622 posts
6 Oct 2010 4:38PM
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Oh no!! As a Jeep owner, I'm now out numbered!! Still at least they're not Toyotas!!

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
6 Oct 2010 8:50PM
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at least with the landcruiser, when you get your 4 minis on the roof rack, you then only have to worry how many TONNES of landyachts you want to put on the trailer

skidmark
16 posts
9 Oct 2010 3:11AM
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tassiefubar said...

Hi Skidmark,(I so love that moniker)

You have some serious issues!!!!
1 You drive a Discovery
2 You ride a GSA 1150
3 You build land yachts
ALL VERY SAD REALLY

I know what you are thinking....oh yes!!!

How do I know this?
JUST LOOK AT MY LITTLE OPERATION
TOTALLY CERTIFIABLE
We even have the same bloody trailer....and we live 20 thousand miles away!!
You need to see somebody....I did .....it didn't help
And it snows here too!
When are you coming to Tassie?








HeyTassie,
Do you know whats even more uncanny? I think we even have matching facial hair! I'm sporting a goatee too, it helps keep the chin warm on the beaches. How are you getting on with the Continentals on the GS? I tried them once and found them pretty skitery until they wore down a bit, they looked great though, running Michellin Anakee's now much better on the tarmac.
They say you have a double somewhere in the world but I never imagined it would be a clone??

tassiefubar
TAS, 113 posts
9 Oct 2010 11:11AM
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Hey Skidmark
Tis kinda spooky really!
I've just put a set of Metzeler Tourances (is that how you spell that?) on. Went around the sheep yesterday.........they sure are slippery when they get bogged up with poo.
One good thing though......we are moving into summer and you into winter HA HA!



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