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Mini class using the promo style chasis

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Created by US772 > 9 months ago, 16 Nov 2013
US772
332 posts
17 Feb 2014 12:29AM
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Chook2 said..

Here is one way of getting the mast well forward.



There are some awesome photos in the "Carels" gallery.
www.pbase.com:443/waltercarels




I heard this boat was really fast going straight.

Chook2
WA, 1244 posts
19 Feb 2014 4:50PM
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Great source, for some new designs there, many thanks US772

Seems to be a trend happening with a forward mounted mast step.



Chook

US772
332 posts
20 Apr 2014 6:47AM
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nice mini video

US772
332 posts
20 Apr 2014 7:02AM
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aus230 said..

Finished up grade (finish a little rough like to see how it go's) Bit of work to do on boom.











Aus 230 I'm trying to understand how your changes made your mini a better mini.
Better grip on the rear by moving the sails ce foward? Center sheeting causing less hiking/sliding due to boom angled (self depowering) not being as centered on the fuselage?

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
20 Apr 2014 10:32AM
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Not sure why, but the yacht feels much better balanced, more or less set up similar to my class5. Last sailing day I lent it to a club member to sail in the class5 races and it was very completive with the fives. It is a lot faster now than any of the minis that I have sailed with. Before the changes it was very average.

BenBoulder
WA, 261 posts
23 Apr 2014 6:01AM
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US772 said..

nice mini video
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Is that ballast/sandbags at his feet or a plastic bag with his spare clothes?

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
27 Apr 2014 12:06AM
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I think it is ballast Ben, They appear to be able to sit a lot further back than we do in our yachts, I tried moving back further on my 5 and it became uncontrollable in the corners. Had to add weight to the front to get some control. (I think Paul had the same problem)

TeamWally
VIC, 47 posts
27 Apr 2014 2:21AM
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G'day Aus230, The introduction thread has gone stale so excuse me for jumping in here. Mick from Gippsland, early stages of building 2 x LL minis for the good woman and self to play with on the 90 mile beach. I have to know ..... What ever happened with the Berminator, the thread died without any report on the wing?

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
27 Apr 2014 12:34AM
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Hi Mick, I left the wing mini with crazy trav, He is now the keeper of the yacht. It was a fun build but I moved on to building a class3.


berminator
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Land-Yacht-Sailing/Construction/trav-sailing-the-berminatorlake-lefroy-wa/

The class3 build
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Land-Yacht-Sailing/Construction/Class3/

US772
332 posts
6 May 2014 11:39AM
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The latest. Amazing how this class is progressing.



landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
6 May 2014 2:07PM
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yes ,but cleaning up the airflow over the wheels whilst projecting the chassis frames up higher does seem to be a mixed outcome.
mind you that yacht is going freeking fly at smith creek

KAONAONA
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7 May 2014 12:33AM
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landyacht said..

yes ,but cleaning up the airflow over the wheels whilst projecting the chassis frames up higher does seem to be a mixed outcome.
mind you that yacht is going freeking fly at smith creek


Paul,

How much do you think that yacht weighs? Looks kind of heavy!

desertyank
1260 posts
7 May 2014 9:11AM
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US772 said..

The latest. Amazing how this class is progressing.





SWEEEEET!! Is that one of your's? Now I have to look up frog sails online........

US772
332 posts
7 May 2014 9:31AM
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It's from Frog Sails In Germany.

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
7 May 2014 4:02PM
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landyacht said..



yes ,but cleaning up the airflow over the wheels whilst projecting the chassis frames up higher does seem to be a mixed outcome.

mind you that yacht is going freeking fly at smith creek


Paul,How much do you think that yacht weighs? Looks kind of heavy!


carbon pod.1kg
welded alloy? chassis 1kg
thin walledalloy axles 1kg
heavy carbon Wsurfer mast 2kg
5.5m sail2.5kg
pulleys/sheetrope 2kg
keep in mind that a blinged blowy is around 29kg, my own mini gets a whopping35kg.
i think this would be in the low to mid 30's if its got a carbon mast.
the axle length should be perfect for clay,added to the stiff spine(looks like 2 square tubes wlded together).
very light at the front as those kite buggy wheels are rather light. the wheel covers will barely pick up any stuff, unless you get a light rain

JoeHanson
48 posts
7 May 2014 4:23PM
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Like the Micro Race the spine is shurely single piece, its just the seam showing.

Don't forget to count in the painting, at least 350gramms!!!

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
7 May 2014 7:39PM
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JoeHanson said..
Like the Micro Race the spine is shurely single piece, its just the seam showing.

Don't forget to count in the painting, at least 350gramms!!!


is it all Stainless steel? pop down the street and check will you

JoeHanson
48 posts
7 May 2014 7:58PM
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Well the frontfork and the bolt-on for the axles look like a MicroRace-relative. My MR is stainless steel.
And with reinforced axles and seat and rigg at least 47 ++ kilos.
I think the green froggy design suits good but imagine an all Chrom/silver rocket style!!!!!
(Area 51-racing olny)

US772
332 posts
7 May 2014 11:15PM
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"Chrome Silver Rocket Style" I've seen something like that before.

US772
332 posts
8 May 2014 1:24AM
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about 40 minis registered for the Worlds as of now.

KAONAONA
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8 May 2014 12:39PM
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US772 said..

about 40 minis registered for the Worlds as of now.


What does your rig weigh?

US772
332 posts
23 May 2014 8:45AM
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152lbs.

Chook2
WA, 1244 posts
23 May 2014 11:27AM
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That's 69 kgs in our language.
Thanks for that US772, your most helpful.

US772
332 posts
24 May 2014 10:04AM
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US772 said...
"Chrome Silver Rocket Style" I've seen something like that before.






JoeHanson
48 posts
24 May 2014 6:47PM
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Yeah! That looks fast!!! Good Heat-shielded too, (exept for the helmet: way too un-silver-rocket-style..)

wokelliott
WA, 179 posts
24 May 2014 7:40PM
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Would like to see a side photo as it seems to have mast well forward with little mast rake, body weight well forward too, straight axle with little or zero wheel camber. All that is very similar to what Chook is finding with his experimenting.

US772
332 posts
24 May 2014 11:18PM
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The axle is wood so when under load it flexes putting in a little camber. The rig should of been a few inches further forward.

US772
332 posts
15 Jun 2014 11:09PM
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blake52
123 posts
17 Jun 2014 2:44AM
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Wow, great stuff here.
I'm about to launch into building an I 5.6 mini for the Worlds. and need to get some basic dimensions to get started. The mast step question looks like it has a large number of functional answers...I'm looking for basic track and wheelbase numbers that work.
I have a huge pile of shrapnel to start with:
*A complete metal axle Ludic.
*A NZ rocket body/seat.
*An abandoned fed 5-style steel and aluminum frame project, Y under style.
*A carbon mast
*2 sails 4.0 and 5.0 (probably the 5.5 from my Fed-Rocket class 5 boat).

The easiest would be just put the mast and sails on the Ludic and figure out a way to stiffen the seat so the whole thing doesn't twist out of shape when the sail loads but I think it would perform better if it was a bit longer.
Blake



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