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I only raced on the beach. The other 2 just aren't feasible to a class 5 pilot 
I suspect you'd have to buy the full version to unlock that.
will be good to see all these mini yachts in the next aus titles, will be interesting, would it not.
yes it wll be. .DW since you are busy developing a class 6 perhaps you are more in the know as to what the current ALSA class rules and interpretation are. We would also like to knoe what the sail measuring system is now we have been told that cl6 has OFFICIALLY been increased to 4.5m. I for one am itching to sail cl 6 again and try to keep all my designs with the measurements that I thought were current.
im doing some draft rules in that reguard, to be submited to ALSA, untill then do more home work
How much longer until the public unveiling Dave? Will you be taking one to Gilles?
i will but i wont be sailing one , there should be 6 there , very close bit more work,
hills has a pic , i will kill him if it becomes public let him coment as it not the finished thing 
Yep, I've had to surrender my first born as a guarentee of my discretion.
These things look HOT!!! It will definitely be worth the wait!!
They have just taken over first place in my wish list ahead of a Standart
re the STANDART we will be making as much as we we can here localaly , as the import cost is very high, we will only import what we have to.
As much as the Standarts look great, I think the class 6 will be in higher demand by the general landsailing population whereas the standart will be for the elitists. Mind you I fully intend to be one of those one day so its a close second on my list
It is quick , have spent the odd hour in a blowkart,had one of them up to 85 ks, kills it, but so it should, with the added length and overall base makes a lot of diference,
im doing some draft rules in that reguard, to be submited to ALSA, untill then do more home work
Yeah yeah, I'm always the naive new guy that gets sucked into your age old arguments. Still I can't see any reason why this information wouldn't or shouldn't be made publicly available so I'll ask. But if you're just trying to get me in trouble again... 
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Im not going to get involved , in this , to me ALSA is the body that is the head of landsailing here ,and i wish to to see it grow, your personal problems shouldnt come into it . PAY YOUR FEES , end of story
Last cheque by lake lefroy member was returned and his request for ALSA membership denied. This particular person will be representing Australia at the WOrld Championships along with 3 other Pilots, none of whom are now recognized by ALSA. FISLY is aware and uninterested by all this.
The fleets of class 6 yachts your pheonixes are going to race against in the future are going to be built by people reading sites like this. Some of them may just go out and buy one if such a product is readily available.
So here is an opportunity for ALSA to get its finger out and move on to the future. Presumably I will have to turn up with my interpretation of class 6 , As will other have to turn up with thiers. We must then assume that the ALSA scrutinners will judge each yacht by a secret set of guidelines. If there are no current rules and specs then please say so ..
Simple rules like the sail measuring system must be clearly defined on paper well before measuring time in the middle of the bush .
Mate, If you want this problem resolved I don’t think you’re going about it quite the right way.
I have spent many hours with David Rose and your description of him as being uncooperative goes against everything I have experienced with him.
Further to this you make statements like “The repeated requests for funds , Even by registered mail, were the only correspondence we could get from David” and “Subsequently the Lake Lefroy Landsailing Club decided not to contribute financially to ALSA.” then in the next post you say “LLLSC wants to be part of ALSA”.
And finally the “Australian Body” thread really left a bad taste in my mouth. It really appeared to me that was only posted to have a dig at ALSA using this forum to do so.
What I am trying to point out is some of your statements are inconsistent and to me appear to be more inflammatory than attempting to reconcile the situation.
I think the only way this can be resolved is if you don’t appear to be attacking all the time. Both you, and others for that matter, have to put what has occurred in the past behind you and work together to make the sport of land yachting what it should be.
If your club genuinely wants to be a part of ALSA, send off your application fees and if you get a letter advising you’re not welcome I will publicly eat my words and take this issue up locally.
Once you’ve rejoined, if you put your suggestions for improvement forward in a constructive way and they fall upon deaf ears I will certainly take up the cause with you. For starters its obvious that rules and class specifications have to be made public, but a simple "please" might help.
I’m sure this can be resolved I just think it needs to be handled differently. As I said this doesn’t only apply to you, others have heard this speech from me as well.
I agree. But that leaves us in the catch 22 situation where we asked that progress start happening . that would be something to contribute to. Sadly all we got was a request for sail registration fees.. It seemed pointless that we should bolster ALSA coffers further than we had already done as the money was not ,as far as we could see, being used for anything. Perhaps ALSA could enlighten us here. ALSA has had no meetings ,regattas,AGM's that we aware of since the mid 90's.
Since ALSA no longer keeps us informed, we rely on ,and are grateful for the efforts of people like yourself who can pass on the bits and pieces we need to know and help kick off ALSA into an active body again . I hope we will come across others as like minded .
I would hate to see a repeat of the past where simple disagreements over the running of Adelaide LYC led to the formation of SAILS(South Australian Independant Land Sailors). This led the demise of landsailing in SA at a time when the club was supporting and leading the sport in Australia, and was our main contact with FISLY . only now with the influx of yachts like the BLOKART is the sport again reaching , and hopefully surpassing its old standards
) has had its ups and downs. In the mid 1990's after the 1st Pacrim there was a lot of club members leave Kambalda with changes in the mining industry at the time. This coinciding with the lake being almost completely flooded for some time and accessibiltiy issues due to mining leases meant that the LLLSC did go into recession for some time. However land sailing did continue on Lake Lefroy and by 2000 the *new* clubhouse site and the 1st stage of the new clubhouse were up and running. For some years Lake Lefroy pilots paid fees to Sandgropers LYC so as to be covered for insurance as this seemed more financially viable at the time. In regards to what we have done for ALSA - well we ran the 2006 Pacrims! Despite modest numbers of volunteers the vast majority of the planning and the raising of in excess of $50,000 worth of sponsorship money was carried out in the 18 months leading up to the 2006 Pacrims by a small and dedicated local Lake Lefroy committee. The champs was actually run under the banner of Sandgropers LYC (again for insurance purposes) but the reality was 1000;s of hours of work was done locally in Kambalda and Kalgoorlie and we staged the biggest event in landsailing in Aus. Sandgropers did the officiating of the races during the event. Unlike the 1st pacrim, ALSA did not run a nationals concurrent to the pacrims. After the event was over the local committee decided that rather than be subject to Sandgropers LYC rules and committee (of which we never got the chance to participate in) we would reform the LLLSC. This was duly done and now we pay our own insurance.
Paul I am happy to help anyone in Landsailing in any way I can, especially if it progresses this sport as you say. Unfortunately only being a new member I'm not privvy to all that is going on. However, that said, I have been advised by someone not in ALYC that changes are afoot. At this stage my council would be to stay tuned, stay a member club and keep all of the communication constructive. It may be a bit slower than we'd like, but as you have pointed out there may be a bit of catching up to do as it sounds like all of the clubs may have been a bit idle over recent years.
As Susan said I think there are exciting times ahead.
Cheers Phil
