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Created by beachball57 > 9 months ago, 30 Apr 2011
beachball57
SA, 538 posts
30 Apr 2011 9:00PM
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a possible trip to lake gilles on the june long weekend is in the planning depending on the weather and rain fall between now and then, if the lake is out then a stop over in port augusat is on the cards to give the clay pans try if they too are dry enough... more information will be posted as the weekend gets closer on here and also on facebook on the Adelaide land sailing face book page ( nothing to do with the ALYC) this is my own land sailing page on fb

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
30 Apr 2011 11:44PM
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It is about time someone got a Bright Idea.... A Light moment and uploaded some pic's into Google Earth of PLaces Like Lake Gilles, The Salt Pans near Woomera. Lakes Gardinair and Lefroy, photo's of Land Yachting. I thought that is what these pages are about.... Landsailing????
Ron

port
VIC, 446 posts
1 May 2011 9:59AM
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There you go Lake Gillies at easter.

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
1 May 2011 10:05AM
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Dang! That is a Hell of a wide Beach! Where is it?? Seriously that is a pristine piece of Salt. That Phot is worth uploading to Google Earth. Half yer Luck! Out of curiosity; What is Gairdiner like as a Land Yacht Venue??

Ron

port
VIC, 446 posts
1 May 2011 10:22AM
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No beach !!!!!!!!
dry salt lake 4.5hours west of Adelaide

j murray
SA, 947 posts
1 May 2011 10:20AM
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Adeliade to Pt Agusta...285+ ks 342.98 o NNW

Pt Agusta to Lake Gillies...82+ks 72.06 o WSW

Goggle Earth....so about 370 ks total maybe 4 to 4.1/2 hours

and 60ks = 40 miles, 100 ks= 60 miles, thereabouts

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
1 May 2011 6:23PM
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port said...

No beach !!!!!!!!
dry salt lake 4.5hours west of Adelaide



gypsum , mate, gypsum. you were runnig on a gypsum,sand,clay mix, that is bonded by saline water.the water evaporating at the surface gives you a crust to sail on.
lefroy is similar without the sand, and a higher salt content.
how was the lake compared to 2008?
sorry we couldnt get there. and by not going ourselves, it was hard to convince other to go.
i will try harder next time

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
1 May 2011 9:28PM
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thanks Ly,
That is interesting to know, as I was of the belief it was salt. I called by a Salt Lake on the way back from Darwin back in 2000, somewhere near Woomera I believe and it appeared to be salt with preserved insect life in it. Now I know what it is made up of.
pity I can't make it over to one of those lakes for a session.. Life.
Ron

beachball57
SA, 538 posts
2 May 2011 8:56AM
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lake gairdner is not as flat at gilles i've been up there on speed week, and it's a bit more difficult to get to as some of it is on private property, on speed week they use a grader from a near by sheep station to grade the top of the lake as it gets a lot of little ridges on it, of the two gillies is by far the better for land sailingand it's easier to get to as well, i'd say it was a bit further than 4 hours to the lake from adelaide thought maybe 5 1/2 to allow a shot stop over in port augusta.

port
VIC, 446 posts
2 May 2011 9:55AM
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landyacht said...

port said...

No beach !!!!!!!!
dry salt lake 4.5hours west of Adelaide



gypsum , mate, gypsum. you were runnig on a gypsum,sand,clay mix, that is bonded by saline water.the water evaporating at the surface gives you a crust to sail on.
lefroy is similar without the sand, and a higher salt content.
how was the lake compared to 2008?
sorry we couldnt get there. and by not going ourselves, it was hard to convince other to go.

Hi Landyacht
was a little apprehensive about the surface as the feed back from a local advised us that there was water and soft patches .
Well when we got to the lakes edge decided to walk out first before driving on,should not have bothered as the lake was dry and rock hard like concrete even had a hard time wacling in the tent pegs.
Even out on the middle the karts left no visable inpression didnt get chance to explore too far from camp as the breeze was a little light and flucky.
i will try harder next time




landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
2 May 2011 8:49PM
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Nikrum said...

thanks Ly,
That is interesting to know, as I was of the belief it was salt. I called by a Salt Lake on the way back from Darwin back in 2000, somewhere near Woomera I believe and it appeared to be salt with preserved insect life in it. Now I know what it is made up of.
pity I can't make it over to one of those lakes for a session.. Life.
Ron


It coulld have been a salt lake, but gillies is gypsum

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
2 May 2011 9:04PM
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port said...

landyacht said...

port said...

No beach !!!!!!!!


Hi Landyacht
was a little apprehensive about the surface as the feed back from a local advised us that there was water and soft patches .
Well when we got to the lakes edge decided to walk out first before driving on,should not have bothered as the lake was dry and rock hard like concrete even had a hard time wacling in the tent pegs.
Even out on the middle the karts left no visable inpression didnt get chance to explore too far from camp as the breeze was a little light and flucky.
i will try harder next time



as a general rule for driving on lake bed, DONT. you will eventually get caught.
I have been driving on a lake where Ive had to use a pick to dig the hole for the anchor point, but couldnt even stand at the bogged wheels. even had one where only 1 wheel went down, to the height of the wheel, leaving the opposite wheel in the air.
always think about where you are and how long it will take to get out, with the tools? you have, BEFORE driving on it.
I think it may even be illegal in SA to drive on lakes in a National Park. might be worth checking on.
On many of the gysum lakes, and limestone(walyungup) type lakes you get a hard margin that changes very suddenly, with saline lakes be very cautious when you see really red, dusty margins and Samphire bushes that suddenly stop. this is usually an indication of a high watertable ---VERY SOFT edges.
the only reliable rule is that you cant rely on the surface , it can and will change.
I have measured a 450mm salt crust on Lake lefroy that took a drill rig 2 days to drill through with a hammer. they drove 6kms out across the lake in a dual axle truck to deliver fuel to the rig, but next year after only minimal water on the lake the same site had only 200mm of friable salt that would only support a quad




Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
2 May 2011 11:31PM
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Thanks Guys,
the more I hear of Gilles the more I like the sound of it but I am not taking my Rodeo out on any Dry lake bed. No Sir.
You never know, I may manage to put a couple of bucks away and make it over there. I hope so and then it would be nice to do that when there a few bodies going there for a run as well.
Ron

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
2 May 2011 9:36PM
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rodeos are great on salt, I drove one for 3 years ON lefroy, no body or chassis rust, the only thing that fell off was the after market tray, the whole thing, loaded with samples, on a bend in the main road

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
3 May 2011 10:09AM
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This is the second Rodeo I've had. Both were 3 years old when I got them, Travis has the first one. Both are close to 300,000 and still going fine and very little in the way of mechanical work on them. My one has a set of Spark Plugs with about 200,000 on them. BLOODY Great Vehicles.
Ron

beachball57
SA, 538 posts
3 May 2011 10:07AM
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is this thread about land sailing or cars

j murray
SA, 947 posts
4 May 2011 5:22PM
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Nick...rum ......get overhere to Lake Gillies, it will do you good

Just slip intoa tazzy tourist agency and spend some of that 2 headed

coin you have stashed under the swag. then hop on a tazzy fairy

headed for the mainlend. Grab your aged/senoors pennyshion

an spend $ 59 single oneway to Hadlaid. Hitch hoike up to Port Agguta

assemble your landyacht and sail west for 2.5 hrs.....your there.

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
5 May 2011 12:13AM
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Yeah! Muzza,
I've been thinking along those lines.. It could happen but I will have to stop spending $$$ on other Crap first. I'd love nothing better to shoot across Gilles at a great rate of knots.
Ron

port
VIC, 446 posts
5 May 2011 1:13PM
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camping lake side at gillies

desertyank
1262 posts
5 May 2011 11:48AM
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port said...

camping lake side at gillies




I love this!!! I am really envious right now If I had a camper, I would be drinking a sh!tload of building fluid on ElMirage as we speak.......

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
7 May 2011 10:19AM
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j murray said...


Nick...rum ......get overhere to Lake Gillies, it will do you good

Just slip intoa tazzy tourist agency and spend some of that 2 headed

coin you have stashed under the swag. then hop on a tazzy fairy

headed for the mainlend. Grab your aged/senoors pennyshion

an spend $ 59 single oneway to Hadlaid. Hitch hoike up to Port Agguta

assemble your landyacht and sail west for 2.5 hrs.....your there.


Yeah Muzza,
How well do you know lake Gillies??? Wind Wise.. I am looking at the best time of the year to travel to such a time to be assured of a couple of speed runs and sailing..
Ron




j murray
SA, 947 posts
7 May 2011 2:20PM
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I only know where it is and how to get there nick. Like you I am a speculator

and would like to wizz up there, have a bash. but that is a seemingly impossible this year

unless i get a spit in lotto, or maybe a vomit!!!!

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
7 May 2011 7:24PM
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Yeah Muzza,
How well do you know lake Gillies??? Wind Wise.. I am looking at the best time of the year to travel to such a time to be assured of a couple of speed runs and sailing..
Ron





windwise you are fairly reliant onfronts coming across the bight. BUT you are right on thedge of a wheatbelt, so you could get wet chasing the wind,
check out the wind rose data at the BOM website for Kimba. that should be pretty close. you would probable get some great hot northerlies in summer.


Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
7 May 2011 10:38PM
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Thanks for that Paul, however I'm not familiar with "Wind Rose Data"?

Nothing happening over your way this weekend??
Ron

j murray
SA, 947 posts
8 May 2011 10:26AM
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Gidday Port, could you please supply the Goggle Earth co-ordinates of the

area you have camped at on Lake Gillies?

natosa
SA, 18 posts
8 May 2011 10:51AM
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Co-ordinates for the campsite are
S 32 48 303
E 136 49 047

We got up there saturday afternoon but with only 2-4 knots of wind we waited. After the sun went down the wind came up to around 8-10 knots and we got 1.5 hours of twilight/night sailing in.
Definitely worth going to. I am going up on the June long weekend as well

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
8 May 2011 12:17PM
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Keep us posted on Gilles and lots os pic's' any info regarding best times of the year for good winds etc will be greatfully accepted.
Ron

j murray
SA, 947 posts
8 May 2011 5:05PM
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So thanks for those co-ordinates, That all being so, what is the best

approach to that spot, is it about 22ks past Iron Knob on highway

then at 32.52. 83 S.... 136.59.39 E leave main rd and follow fence

line for about 17ks to lake shore. Is 4wd absolutely needed of not .

Is there other ways in maybe better. Any truthful comment would

be helpful. What time will others participating arriving up there.

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
8 May 2011 7:29PM
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Its tight along the fence line because the track isnt kept clear. there is one section where you have to drive off a steep kopi ridge, the back up on the way out. you can do it with care in a 2wd, but not if its wet.
the hardest part is spotting the turn off . it is almost camoflaged, we didnt spot it when we drove past twice in feb.
A windrose is a graph which shows winddirection, strengths,and frequency for a given site.
look up the BOM, click on wind roses, state, nearest town, voila

bazl
WA, 700 posts
8 May 2011 7:43PM
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landyacht said...

Its tight along the fence line because the track isnt kept clear.


I'll drink to that! Took the truck in last time, had to clear the way. 2 hours to do the 17ks .

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
8 May 2011 11:51PM
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Well! That's me out. I don't got a 4WD.
Ron



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