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Assistance request for vessel in Brisbane River

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Created by shaggybaxter > 9 months ago, 28 Dec 2015
theselkie
QLD, 555 posts
1 Jan 2016 7:14PM
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She's lovely Shaggy

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
1 Jan 2016 10:08PM
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looking good Shaggy !!

cisco
QLD, 12324 posts
1 Jan 2016 10:59PM
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I'll bet this sight caused a sensation at Manly.







If you are short of hands getting her prepared, I am just busting for an excuse to come down and lend a hand for a few days or more, especially when the Pogo people are there.

It doesn't look like she has been anti fouled yet and for standing the mast you are going to haul her out aren't you??

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2526 posts
2 Jan 2016 6:36AM
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seabird said..
Good work, so the fire works at Manly last night were in celebration of her arrival?

Does someone from Pogo come out to supervise the commissioning?


HI Seabird,
Yes, I brought out their commissioning guy Antoine for the 12.50 and Open 40. Not only does he work like a trojan, i could sit and listen to him for hours. He is like an encyclopedia of the French yachting culture, and of course all the mad French Open 60,40, Cat and Tri sailors all seem to live in Brittany, so he will start a story by saying he bumped into Michael Desjoyeaux at the grocery store getting milk..... :)

It was interesting, a guy that wandered over and started helping us (I love sailors) was talking about the spreader rake. The Pogo doesn't have any backstay at all, as some bright spark worked out that spreaders set at 120 degrees from the forestay (90 deg being straight spreaders) negates requiring a backstay to hold the mast up.
It turned out it was Christian (the owner of Pogo) who thought of it and Finot Conq (Pogo's naval architect) who designed it!
I am starting to really understand the depth and history of the French sailing culture, it is ingrained into them like no other country.

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2526 posts
2 Jan 2016 6:46AM
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If you are short of hands getting her prepared, I am just busting for an excuse to come down and lend a hand for a few days or more, especially when the Pogo people are there. It doesn't look like she has been anti fouled yet and for standing the mast you are going to haul her out aren't you??

Hi Cisco,
I would never ask you to come all that way to help out, and thank you for the generous offer, but if you were bored and interested we will be stepping the mast on the 4th January at 11am, tuning it and then doing test sails on the 4th and 5th. You are are more than welcome to come down mate.

Yes, she is anti-fouled, so we will be doing the mast-step in the water. Antoine was saying in the south of France there is a harbour that has the Mistrals (an another wind pattern I can't pronounce) from Nth Africa blow approx 200 days every year. They had to park a 12.50 in 30+ knots of sideways breeze into a tiny little pen that could just fit the boat that required them to enter at nearly full revs, then they stepped the mast in 35knots! Antoine weighs about 70kgs, and he said you are hanging onto the mast with all your strength just to stop it blowing around iike a wind chime (the 17mtr mast on a 12.50 weighs about 170kgs). Utterly insane, but you have no choice apparently.
And I was concerned about crossing the bay in 20+ knots with the mast on the deck, no wonder Antoine looked so relaxed!

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2526 posts
2 Jan 2016 6:58AM
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A not so good shot of the low cabin height. while it is full headroom below, it doesn't quite reach the height of the top safety lines...weird. It reminds me of a car that has been chopped.......



Note the Dyneema lashing on the end of the bowsprit? They don't like using metal anywhere they don't have to. I didn't realise Dyneema was stronger than steel, I still have a lot to learn!



Donk107
TAS, 2446 posts
2 Jan 2016 8:04AM
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Hi Shaggy

She looks good and you must be itching to take her out for a sail

Just wondering is there a bow roller fitted to pass the anchor rode over

Regards Don

seabird
QLD, 227 posts
2 Jan 2016 7:13AM
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Shaggybaxter said..
A not so good shot of the low cabin height. while it is full headroom below, it doesn't quite reach the height of the top safety lines...weird. It reminds me of a car that has been chopped.......



Note the Dyneema lashing on the end of the bowsprit? They don't like using metal anywhere they don't have to. I didn't realise Dyneema was stronger than steel, I still have a lot to learn!




Looks great, but you'll have to be careful lowering and raising the anchor to avoid hull damage.

Donk107
TAS, 2446 posts
2 Jan 2016 8:19AM
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Donk107 said..
Hi Shaggy

She looks good and you must be itching to take her out for a sail

Just wondering is there a bow roller fitted to pass the anchor rode over

Regards Don


Hi Sgaggy

Disregard this earlier question of mine as I had a look at some of the photo's you have posted before and noticed it has one but i assume it will be fitted when the mast goes up

Regards Don

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2526 posts
2 Jan 2016 7:22AM
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Donk107 said..




Donk107 said..
Hi Shaggy

She looks good and you must be itching to take her out for a sail

Just wondering is there a bow roller fitted to pass the anchor rode over

Regards Don






Hi Sgaggy

Disregard this earlier question of mine as I had a look at some of the photo's you have posted before and noticed it has one but i assume it will be fitted when the mast goes up

Regards Don





Hi Donk,
No problems mate. One thing regards the bow roller, it is fixed with two big bolts into captivated nuts embedded into a deck plate. The idea is you can quickly remove it and stow it with the anchor in the anchor locker if you want to go racing. The bolt holes drain into the anchor locker.
I am embarrassed to admit I am still learning some of this stuff, there seems to be a lot of engineering detail I still have to get my head around!
Edit: Sorry Seabird, I missed your post, but yes, I don't think I 'd be game to drop an anchor if it didn't have the roller!
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HG02
VIC, 5814 posts
2 Jan 2016 8:27AM
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Shaggybaxter said..
A not so good shot of the low cabin height. while it is full headroom below, it doesn't quite reach the height of the top safety lines...weird. It reminds me of a car that has been chopped.......



Note the Dyneema lashing on the end of the bowsprit? They don't like using metal anywhere they don't have to. I didn't realise Dyneema was stronger than steel, I still have a lot to learn!




How often is the bob stay replaced Shaggy using Dyneema? Also is the bob stay tension pre set or is is adjustable ?
Any Gulls christened her yet I could send a few from down here if you want . Sands is always through crumbs on my deck
Cant wait for a you tube upload Shaggy

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2526 posts
2 Jan 2016 7:35AM
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Hi HG,
Good question regards replacement, and I don't know. I'll ask Antoine and report back mate.
Yes, the Bob stay tension is adjustable. It retracts into the bowsprit automatically when you bring the sprit back inso you don't have a saggy looking forlorn rope hanging off the bow. Antoine drew out a diagram of how it works for me, I'll find it and post it for you, the mechansim is all encased inside the sprit.

Gulls...aargh! Please don't! You know I have never had a gull problem yet on my existing boat, and I am petrified that I have just been lucky prior to this!!! A good friend with a Davidson 34 gets literally bombarded with them and small sparrows. Is there something that attracts them that I don't know about??

theselkie
QLD, 555 posts
2 Jan 2016 9:27AM
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Shaggybaxter said..
If you are short of hands getting her prepared, I am just busting for an excuse to come down and lend a hand for a few days or more, especially when the Pogo people are there. It doesn't look like she has been anti fouled yet and for standing the mast you are going to haul her out aren't you??

Hi Cisco,
I would never ask you to come all that way to help out, and thank you for the generous offer, but if you were bored and interested we will be stepping the mast on the 4th January at 11am, tuning it and then doing test sails on the 4th and 5th. You are are more than welcome to come down mate.

Yes, she is anti-fouled, so we will be doing the mast-step in the water. Antoine was saying in the south of France there is a harbour that has the Mistrals (an another wind pattern I can't pronounce) from Nth Africa blow approx 200 days every year. They had to park a 12.50 in 30+ knots of sideways breeze into a tiny little pen that could just fit the boat that required them to enter at nearly full revs, then they stepped the mast in 35knots! Antoine weighs about 70kgs, and he said you are hanging onto the mast with all your strength just to stop it blowing around iike a wind chime (the 17mtr mast on a 12.50 weighs about 170kgs). Utterly insane, but you have no choice apparently.
And I was concerned about crossing the bay in 20+ knots with the mast on the deck, no wonder Antoine looked so relaxed!


Hi Shaggy

so happy for you and the family! You must have a sore face from smiling so much

The most important question! Which French champagne will you be christening your new French baby with???

Anyway, I'm at a loose end 4th and 5th as the girls are away. Would you mind if I pop in and say hello. I'd love to help out with Fusion.

Kind regards
Trace

andy59
QLD, 1153 posts
2 Jan 2016 1:44PM
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I just want one

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2526 posts
2 Jan 2016 2:26PM
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Shaggybaxter said..
If you are short of hands getting her prepared, I am just busting for an excuse to come down and lend a hand for a few days or more, especially when the Pogo people are there. It doesn't look like she has been anti fouled yet and for standing the mast you are going to haul her out aren't you??

Hi Cisco,
I would never ask you to come all that way to help out, and thank you for the generous offer, but if you were bored and interested we will be stepping the mast on the 4th January at 11am, tuning it and then doing test sails on the 4th and 5th. You are are more than welcome to come down mate.

Yes, she is anti-fouled, so we will be doing the mast-step in the water. Antoine was saying in the south of France there is a harbour that has the Mistrals (an another wind pattern I can't pronounce) from Nth Africa blow approx 200 days every year. They had to park a 12.50 in 30+ knots of sideways breeze into a tiny little pen that could just fit the boat that required them to enter at nearly full revs, then they stepped the mast in 35knots! Antoine weighs about 70kgs, and he said you are hanging onto the mast with all your strength just to stop it blowing around iike a wind chime (the 17mtr mast on a 12.50 weighs about 170kgs). Utterly insane, but you have no choice apparently.
And I was concerned about crossing the bay in 20+ knots with the mast on the deck, no wonder Antoine looked so relaxed!




Hi Shaggy

so happy for you and the family! You must have a sore face from smiling so much

The most important question! Which French champagne will you be christening your new French baby with???

Anyway, I'm at a loose end 4th and 5th as the girls are away. Would you mind if I pop in and say hello. I'd love to help out with Fusion.

Kind regards
Trace



By all means Tracie, drop in and say G'day. I'll be the stressed looking one!
Just look for the big crane, or look for Berth B0, once the mast is in she's easy to spot, the spreaders are a dead giveaway :)

We got the boom out and on deck today, fitted the second wheel, then it got too hot and we called it a day. I might go down tonight and fill/drain the water tanks.
A lady that came over for a chat was a detailer, and recommended to at least flush the water tanks 3 times after being drained for the shipment. This seems like a good idea, so I'll do try for that tonight. I managed to clear the forrard cabin at last, so I might even sleep on her tonight.

She is sits high in the bow without the mast on and with the keel up. Antoine said it wan't make that big a difference, if I follow the waterline stripe I can see what he means. I think the correct term is sheer? Please correct me if I'm wrong!

Andy, I'll do you a good deal, but let me sail it for a bit first!






spiggie
VIC, 78 posts
2 Jan 2016 4:30PM
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Hi shaggy nice bit of boat porn
does the fridge work ,how many cartons can it hold surely you need to test that out first for warranty
will the French fridges be able to cope with qld weather.

Wander66
QLD, 294 posts
2 Jan 2016 4:01PM
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Hey Shaggy beautiful boat I'm sure you will have lots of fun with her.
Suggest keeping Cisco Away for a while, the McGregor 26 people have a contract out on him and he is looking for somewhere to lay low for a while. You wouldn't want Fusion to become collateral damage!

crustysailor
VIC, 869 posts
2 Jan 2016 5:37PM
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hey Shaggy, she floats!
and floats pretty high, even though the rigs not on.

congrats, looks fast just sitting there.

Well Done.

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2526 posts
2 Jan 2016 6:16PM
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Hi shaggy nice bit of boat porn
does the fridge work ,how many cartons can it hold surely you need to test that out first for warranty
will the French fridges be able to cope with qld weather.


Spig, I hope so mate, I shall certainly be watching the performance of said fridge with interest. They have quite a few hanging out in the West Indies and the Caribbean with no reported problems, so initial hopes are positive. The crew will riot and kill me if it is not up to scratch .
Brand is Indel, size is 60 litres. I opted for a fridge only, as I wanted to keep it simple.
Cheers,
SB

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2526 posts
2 Jan 2016 6:19PM
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Hey Shaggy beautiful boat I'm sure you will have lots of fun with her.
Suggest keeping Cisco Away for a while, the McGregor 26 people have a contract out on him and he is looking for somewhere to lay low for a while. You wouldn't want Fusion to become collateral damage!


Hi Wander,
Eek! You made me go and read this thread, I must admit I am on the Cisco side of the ledger. I don't really want a hord of Mac26's on the plane chasing me though, I might have to indulge in a bit of camouflage! Anybody got a spare funnel or two??? Some dazzle paint??

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2526 posts
2 Jan 2016 6:32PM
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crustysailor said..
hey Shaggy, she floats!
and floats pretty high, even though the rigs not on.

congrats, looks fast just sitting there.

Well Done.


Cheers Crusty,
After the mast step, I am going to measure the deck-waterline, then fill all the water tanks (400L) and diesel (60l) and measure again. She is designed to take 2.3ton net on the published numbers, and the options I went for (wheel steering, hot water etc) added 280kgs without fluids, so a bit to go. If I loaded her up to the max net weight I think she'd look a bit different!

cisco
QLD, 12324 posts
2 Jan 2016 10:28PM
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With a beam like that you need to be careful they don't charge you catamaran berthing rates.

Don't worry about the Macgregor 26 mob. Even with their stinking outboards they won't catch Fusion.

slammin
QLD, 994 posts
3 Jan 2016 5:40AM
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Every time you upload a pic we're all agog here. So thanks for the effort and keep em coming.

Looking freakin amazing!!

spiggie
VIC, 78 posts
3 Jan 2016 2:57PM
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Hi shaggy
Not long now , You would have to be the gun boat now especially on the surf to city "MR kite" or carbon credits may the closest competition

You don't fancy competing in the melbourne to osaka double handed
"Im free a bit rusty on celestial nav give me a year to study it"

All the best for the future

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2526 posts
3 Jan 2016 5:43PM
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slammin said..
Every time you upload a pic we're all agog here. So thanks for the effort and keep em coming.

Looking freakin amazing!!


Cheers slammin, I didn't expect the reaction she is generating, you know what its like, you are so focussed on the jobs list you get the forest/trees syndrome. I must admit though I'm itching to get her offshore and stretch her legs!
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Hi shaggy
Not long now , You would have to be the gun boat now especially on the surf to city "MR kite" or carbon credits may the closest competition

You don't fancy competing in the melbourne to osaka double handed
"Im free a bit rusty on celestial nav give me a year to study it"

All the best for the future


Spig, I'm going to be the biggest woose for the first few outings, frankly I'll be over the moon if I can get her off the start line without doing a Loyal and hourglassing the kite or something similar! Or a winch override, round up and centre punching the start boat....
I am fully expecting to get annihilated on IRC, it was designed to ignore all the handicap rules and be a simple fast short handed cruiser. IRC hates nearly everything about a Pogo, we would rate something like 1.18 .
I don't mind, I knew that when I ordered it, I really just wanted something that could keep with the fleet and be enjoyable and comfortable, tin cup's notwithstanding.
The Melbourne to Osaka short handed has a LOT of appeal!
Cheers,
SB

theselkie
QLD, 555 posts
3 Jan 2016 7:19PM
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Hey Shaggy

guess you've had your head down, tail up today but Sailor Girl is at RQ covering the Sports Boat Champs. Did you see her at all?

One more sleep, Shaggy Baxter, one more sleep!!! Have you got a coin ready for the ritual??

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2526 posts
3 Jan 2016 8:12PM
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theselkie said..
Hey Shaggy

guess you've had your head down, tail up today but Sailor Girl is at RQ covering the Sports Boat Champs. Did you see her at all?

One more sleep, Shaggy Baxter, one more sleep!!! Have you got a coin ready for the ritual??


Hi Selkie,
No, I didn't see her, that's a shame , I was down there but inside the boat for a change. Today was all about the nav, slaving the CMaps, updating Adrena, downloaded the next 5 days Grib files (wishful thinking?), reading how to manuals etc.

I did see all the cherubs go out, sweet looking little boats!

Yes, big day tomorrow, onsite at 8am for the lift at 11, apparently the forecast is for lots of rain .
Thanks, the coin...I can't forget the coin!

cisco
QLD, 12324 posts
3 Jan 2016 11:21PM
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We are all cheering you on Shaggy as this is an event.

Sharp focus is needed to carry it off.

I will be there for the S to C one way or another.

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2526 posts
4 Jan 2016 5:55AM
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We are all cheering you on Shaggy as this is an event.

Sharp focus is needed to carry it off.

I will be there for the S to C one way or another.


Hi Cisco,
I might have a spot for the S2C if you're interested.
Let me get through the next couple of days and I'll call you.
SB

samsturdy
NSW, 1659 posts
4 Jan 2016 10:13AM
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Well I'm reading this with just one hour to go for you. All the very best to you Shaggy.
And you will be the gun boat on the forum for sure. I'm counting down for you.



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