Select to expand quotesouthace said..
My thought is if you had a American friend saling on a visa in Australian waters and he wanted to sell his boat and fly home I wonder if this would still be applicable.....perhaps a loophole!
Don't think that would work as the boat would still have to be imported into Australia, be de-registered in the U.S. and re-registered in Australia, after that all the other stuff still comes into play. You have to remember that we have a greedy voracious government that doesn't want to see you win, ever, even by one iota.
@Cisco, you are right, there is no cheap way for you to do it, Which raises the question of the companies that do do it and then still manage to sell their imports at sometimes way less than an equivalent local boat means they must be picking them up for absolutely jack. YOu then have to wonder ..... just what it is that you actually buying.
Don't forget, this is written by a company who's business is importing boats. Of course they will make it sound like a nightmare.
Many people have done it and it's probably not as hard as it sounds like. Sailing it over is you cheapest choice but you need to have the time.
Check this one, that's not a lot of cash for a Beneteau 510 http://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/beneteau-510/146356. That would fit your bill, sure you'll spend some cash on getting it up to scratch.
Southace, not sure why you've picked on the Hunter 450CC for your shortlist, but do make sure you sail on one first and are happy with the performance. I've sailed against one and it was comprehensively outclassed not just by our Beneteau 393, but even by a Spacesailor27 and a Ross 780. Maybe not a fully fair assessment, because I know it was a new boat for the crew, but maybe enough for caution?
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Southace, not sure why you've picked on the Hunter 450CC for your shortlist, but do make sure you sail on one first and are happy with the performance. I've sailed against one and it was comprehensively outclassed not just by our Beneteau 393, but even by a Spacesailor27 and a Ross 780. Maybe not a fully fair assessment, because I know it was a new boat for the crew, but maybe enough for caution?
I'm over the racing scene ......I'm beam reaching ,running and heading out to remote reefs, atolls and islands. It's my floating home that can take me to remote places for diving,exploring and travel.
Everyone has Benteteaus, Bavira etc count how many Hunters are in your local marina?
Some 41 Hunter models don't have V berths in the bow they put the head in this section and then a forward midship double cabin.....that layout in it self is inavative thinking to me!
First thing I did with my complete re-build was to remove the V berth and instal the heads in the bow with a huge shower and wet area.
B&R rigs don't have backstays so this leaves your transom free of clutter and the traveller is set above your head which also makes it convenient to enclose your cockpit with zip on shades or clears.
Most hunters are standard with reverse cycle ducted aircon,genset and water makers.
But I will admit I have not sailed on one.....but I can see by there lines that I'm sure I couldn't maintain a good 6 knots in 12 to 15s
No problem, every yacht is a compromise and I just wanted to make sure you had considered the performance tradeoffs involved. Most of our sailing is cruising, rarely with the wind much forward of the beam if we can help it, but I really appreciate that extra 1.5kt that our Beneteau gives us over the SS34 we used to own. It means 3 hours less on a 70 mile sail. That translates into casual starts (not pre-dawn) and/or anchor down and sipping sundowners while we still would have been sailing in the old boat. We sleep in the V-berth most of the time although in a rolly anchorage or underway we will use the aft cabin. We're very happy with the 393 as a cruising boat but Beneteau stopped making them in about 06 so probably too old for you anyway. I agree about benefits of the overhead traveller and lack of backstays on the Hunters.
I don't care much about windward performance either. The event in my previous post was all reaching.
I would be guessing your extra speed might have something to do with the extra waterline length as to the SS 34 , one Hunter 41 I have been looking at in QLD the owner tells me he gets up to 9 knots beam reaching in 17 knots of breeze. I don't believe they would have a slow hull......My question would be how much difference is there between in mast furling and vertical battens prepared to standard lazy jack full batten main.
Select to expand quoteQLDCruiser said..
Most of our sailing is cruising, rarely with the wind much forward of the beam if we can help it, but I really appreciate that extra 1.5kt that our Beneteau gives us over the SS34 we used to own. It means 3 hours less on a 70 mile sail. That translates into casual starts (not pre-dawn) and/or anchor down and sipping sundowners while we still would have been sailing in the old boat.
That is what makes all the difference.
I hear people say "I don't want a fast yacht. I want a comfortable cruising yacht. I am not in a hurry to get there."
What is comfortable?? Nothing on the water smaller than an aircraft carrier is comfortable!!!!
Comfort is like you say, casual starts in the morning and being in the anchorage sipping sundowners while the "comfortable" cruising yacht is still trying to bash it's way to the anchorage at 10 pm.
In the main I believe ex racing yachts make great cruising yachts.
Another big factor is performance on light days. It's very common in SE QLD, in winter, to have the wind under 10kt all day. We can often make good progress in this type of weather, when many others have given up sailing all together. We have an asso in a sock that's easy to deploy and often makes the difference. Southace, the furling main won't be a good performer in light weather.
Ok well as there are only 3 or 4 hunters in Australia I have been looking for a secondary choice of yacht to choice....I have been leaning towards the Jeannuea as it seems to have a simular layout to what I'm looking for. Has anyone had anything to do with them? I'm liking the look of this one below I could make a good size aft cabin if I took that divide out..... I also like the Deck Salon models DShttp://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/jeanneau-sun-odyssey-43/146117
Very nice looking boat and the price certainly reflects the current drop in pricing in Australia, plus I would assume there is bit of negotiating room there.
That rear devider possibly is a longitudinal stiffner and more than likely can not be removed without sacrificing the integrity of the boat.
With Jeanneau being part of the Beneteau group I would think that they are well built, all Jeanneau's over 12 metres are certified to Bureau Veritas, that has to be a good thing knowing that your boat is approved by a respected world wide company that has tested all facets of the boat's build and material quality.
I have seen the same model with just a aft queen cabin (queen bed across the beam) I also seen the same model explaining that the panel can be removed and used as a single large cabin rather than the two large quarter double cabins.
Really nice looking yacht. It has more white leather than you can poke a stick at (or through) so it should be right up your alley. 
I really like the dodger, bimini and cockpit shade set up and the davit, solar panel and wind generator arrangement.
Very practical and should not affect sailing performance too much.
If the divider is removable in the aft cabin to make an island bed, there will be a lot of work involved and it will be a compromise as you won't have head room along the sides or over the bed.
It would be worthwhile checking one out that is set up that way first to see what is involved and what the result is like.
Island beds are one thing but have you ever seen a yacht with a sunken lounge??
The Kelt 39 has it. Amazing yachts and they are actually only 36 foot long.
www.inautia.com:443/used-boat-60939050112751497052496554524548.html
Spent last 6 or so months monitoring the standard listing sites but ended up finding my new baby on e-bay. Stopped looking at yacht auction listings as they seldom had reserves listed or price range. Same with the POA listings. If pricing not up then just scooted past them. Its certainly a buyers market out there at the moment but some vendors are not realising this. Suppose its the same as the property market in many respects.
Select to expand quotesouthace said..
I would be guessing your extra speed might have something to do with the extra waterline length as to the SS 34 , one Hunter 41 I have been looking at in QLD the owner tells me he gets up to 9 knots beam reaching in 17 knots of breeze. I don't believe they would have a slow hull......My question would be how much difference is there between in mast furling and vertical battens prepared to standard lazy jack full batten main.
Load of rubbish! If you have ever averaged 9kt then you'll know how fast that really is, some people seem to feel their boat speed is in proportion to penis size.
Select to expand quotecisco said..QLDCruiser said..
Most of our sailing is cruising, rarely with the wind much forward of the beam if we can help it, but I really appreciate that extra 1.5kt that our Beneteau gives us over the SS34 we used to own. It means 3 hours less on a 70 mile sail. That translates into casual starts (not pre-dawn) and/or anchor down and sipping sundowners while we still would have been sailing in the old boat.
That is what makes all the difference.
I hear people say "I don't want a fast yacht. I want a comfortable cruising yacht. I am not in a hurry to get there."
What is comfortable?? Nothing on the water smaller than an aircraft carrier is comfortable!!!!
Comfort is like you say, casual starts in the morning and being in the anchorage sipping sundowners while the "comfortable" cruising yacht is still trying to bash it's way to the anchorage at 10 pm.
In the main I believe ex racing yachts make great cruising yachts.
If you want to get there quick then drive your car!
Ha, for me it's about the sailing and I never would of done the miles if I had to listen to the engine all day.
Speed, well my seawind 24 showed me how much difference there can be when I left 1770 to buddy port marina in the early morning, love being out at first light.
Well it was the quickest run with an offshore wind, I dropped anchor next to marina and thought gee do I have time for a walk into town? To my surprise it was only 12.30! I laughed for I rarely look at the clock or work out such boring details like time of arrival , I'm a sailor.
But hey I did't design the seawind and can't take credit for how good they are, but every sailor can sail his boat to his best ability.
Gee Dezman, an over the top response. Southace said the owner was doing up to 9kts, not averaging it for days.
I crewed a Cole 43 (Morning Magic) to Newcastle last November, we averaged about 8kts from the Spit Bridge at 0830 to dropping me at Newcastle station at about 1700. We were doing more than 9kts on occasion, may have touched 10. Another 5-10kts of wind we may have averaged 9 kts.
I crewed the TP52 Yendys from Southport to Newcastle in 2005, we were doing over 15kts at times, like a 52ft skiff. Now that is fast.
If you read it carefully I stated the owner told me he gets up to 9 knots not averaging. This is I asume Morton bay where there are not to many steep hills to climb up and over!
I did average 9knts goose winging down the East coast of Tassie and my max was 13.5knts not bad for a Dunc 37 hey! It was perfect conditions even the mk1 autopilot kept up which was surprising after I had replaced half of the plastic gears in the drive after they blew apart in Bass Strait!
Sorry another story coming!
Same part of the coast, pancake creek to bundy river 60 miles.
Well I was excited when 12 yachts left the same time and thought this is going to be a great sail with a good forecast. The wind was light to start with and we were only doing 4knots, some boats pushed ahead with their engines to start with!
But one by one they gave up and started motoring away, my friends on a Peterson 44 copy! Were getting restless and I tried to tell them that 4 knots still adds up and the wind will kick in later too. Plus the river is well lit up so it would be easy in the dark.
No they gave in and motor away with 10 of the other boats, only one old little yacht kept at it with me. It was a beautiful day and I'm not afraid of the dark anyway, well I got the call when they made it in and they had motored 3/4 of the way until the wind had really gotten up for a final sail in, I arrived only 90 minutes after them on the last of the light smiling ear to ear for a great sail and a medal on my chest.
Point is 9 out of 10 boats motor this coast and I say that from a lot of experience. So instead of talking about sail ability you guys should just talk engines!
My engine will push my yacht at 6 knots at 1850 revs all day if I asked it to, boring........
Select to expand quoteMorningBird said..
Gee Dezman, an over the top response. Southace said the owner was doing up to 9kts, not averaging it for days.
I crewed a Cole 43 (Morning Magic) to Newcastle last November, we averaged about 8kts from the Spit Bridge at 0830 to dropping me at Newcastle station at about 1700. We were doing more than 9kts on occasion, may have touched 10. Another 5-10kts of wind we may have averaged 9 kts.
I crewed the TP52 Yendys from Southport to Newcastle in 2005, we were doing over 15kts at times, like a 52ft skiff. Now that is fast.
Idiot you do know there is a current running down the coast?
Select to expand quotesouthace said..
If you read it carefully I stated the owner told me he gets up to 9 knots not averaging. This is I asume Morton bay where there are not to many steep hills to climb up and over!
I did average 9knts goose winging down the East coast of Tassie and my max was 13.5knts not bad for a Dunc 37 hey! It was perfect conditions even the mk1 autopilot kept up which was surprising after I had replaced half of the plastic gears in the drive after they blew apart in Bass Strait!
Ditto on the current running down the coast, gee guys please keep it real and hands off your wang :)))......
The current doesn't run from Sydney to Newcastle. The east coats current stops well short of Tassie. Again, you don't read what is written. Have you been drinking?
Haha I averaged 6 knots from Cairns to Townsville UNDER MOTOR for 32 hours non stop! Grrrrrrrrr......and the current didn't effect me Dezman...haha....if I have to use the fuel and can afford the fuel I will use it! Diesels like a good run!
Select to expand quoteDezman said..MorningBird said..
Gee Dezman, an over the top response. Southace said the owner was doing up to 9kts, not averaging it for days.
I crewed a Cole 43 (Morning Magic) to Newcastle last November, we averaged about 8kts from the Spit Bridge at 0830 to dropping me at Newcastle station at about 1700. We were doing more than 9kts on occasion, may have touched 10. Another 5-10kts of wind we may have averaged 9 kts.
I crewed the TP52 Yendys from Southport to Newcastle in 2005, we were doing over 15kts at times, like a 52ft skiff. Now that is fast.
Idiot you do know there is a current running down the coast?
Oh heading north On re-reading it, well returning from lake mac to port stephens there was a current heading north of over a knot! Back eddies all along the nsw coast and speeds can't be counted on.
Sorry for quick response but iv heard so much crap around the camp fire that I get worked up over the facts.
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Haha I averaged 6 knots from Cairns to Townsville UNDER MOTOR for 32 hours non stop! Grrrrrrrrr......and the current didn't effect me Dezman...haha....if I have to use the fuel and can afford the fuel I will use it! Diesels like a good run!
Not much current inside of the reef, I can remember spending six days doing that same trip without an engine and loving every bit of it. Just scraping into anchorages for the night, never was so much alive.
Great memories I'll keep for life :)...
Anyway back to boat sales! I'm looking at the Jeanuea 42 or 43 DS ......it seams some models have the yanmar 75 hp and the other the yanmar 54 hp......I just wonder if the 54 will be more than enough hp for this size boat? I would imagine the 75 hp would have a increased fuel usage which might be a concern?
Select to expand quoteDezman said..southace said..
Haha I averaged 6 knots from Cairns to Townsville UNDER MOTOR for 32 hours non stop! Grrrrrrrrr......and the current didn't effect me Dezman...haha....if I have to use the fuel and can afford the fuel I will use it! Diesels like a good run!
Not much current inside of the reef, I can remember spending six days doing that same trip without an engine and loving every bit of it. Just scraping into anchorages for the night, never was so much alive.
Great memories I'll keep for life :)...
Six days ! I would have missed my flight and got the sack from my new job that I had not even started! Haha
Select to expand quotesouthace said..Dezman said..southace said..
Haha I averaged 6 knots from Cairns to Townsville UNDER MOTOR for 32 hours non stop! Grrrrrrrrr......and the current didn't effect me Dezman...haha....if I have to use the fuel and can afford the fuel I will use it! Diesels like a good run!
Not much current inside of the reef, I can remember spending six days doing that same trip without an engine and loving every bit of it. Just scraping into anchorages for the night, never was so much alive.
Great memories I'll keep for life :)...
Six days ! I would have missed my flight and got the sack from my new job that I had not even started! Haha
Thanks!!! Hate me if you want but I had eight years off....
Your tax dollars being well spent :))...... Thanks again and I'm going to work next week for iv had enough sailing for now.
Select to expand quotesouthace said..
Anyway back to boat sales! I'm looking at the Jeanuea 42 or 43 DS ......it seams some models have the yanmar 75 hp and the other the yanmar 54 hp......I just wonder if the 54 will be more than enough hp for this size boat? I would imagine the 75 hp would have a increased fuel usage which might be a concern?
I overtook a Jeanneau yacht last week!
I was on the Hume highway heading North. It must have been at least 50 feet, enormous, Looked like a bare hull but would not have been I should imagine.
