hello people..i am a inshore sailor (timpenny 670) and want to break out into a mans world of ocean sailing. I have been told that if I sailed from adelaide to say portland victoria that the boat would make it (duncanson 29) but i probably would not. Is this correct? Is the ocean that bad for a novice? you do not hear about many sailors getting drowned shipwrecked injured wet...is it simply a case of picking the right weather? not much that i can find on the net on how to traverse big waves especially following seas. Where does one learn? I am 71 and if I do not do this now i might never get the chance again. Had a southerly 23 for a little while and just gave it away to a needy chap at paynesville so i am not a scrooge...so impessed with the stability of a keelboat that the duncanson is highly desired....fishing camping getting the chicks you know..where does one go for learning??
100% correct imho. The ocean is that bad for experts let alone novices. If you haven't heard of fatalities you mustn't be listening.........
Am shaking just reading your post..........you mustn't have looked too hard on the web for heavy weather sailing offshore tips...........eg
www.oceannavigator.com/Ocean-Voyager-2011/Dangerous-waves-and-your-boat/
www.northsails.com/sailing/en/2016/09/how-to-sail-safely-through-a-storm
Where does one learn? I am 71 and if I do not do this now i might never get the chance again.
Hipopp, The reality is that one learns at sea and as they say, The sea is a harsh mistress.
You want to lean offshore sailing, navigation and seamanship, right?
For most sailors it is a lifetime apprenticeship. As in, there is always something to learn or a skill to advance.
you do not hear about many sailors getting drowned shipwrecked injured
New technology has made navigation much easier, but not safer.
Most of those lost sailors and boats had modern nav gear aboard.
The same old seamanship skills still apply today.
I would suggest you hire an experienced skipper, pay for the delivery from SA to Victoria and go along as crew.
Keep you mouth shut and your eyes, ears and wallet open.
Getting the lessons and learning the skills on the boat during a passage with an experienced skipper, as well as the delivery is good value.
Gary
Hipopp
if this is really a genuine post,and not scamming,then perhaps join the Ocean Racing Club of Victoria,or look up their courses,before making rash decisions.
Trucking safest bet for novice
Hipopp
if this is really a genuine post,and not scamming,then perhaps join the Ocean Racing Club of Victoria,or look up their courses,before making rash decisions.
Trucking safest bet for novice
I think this one of the reasons that SA boats sell at a big discount to the eastern states. It's a committing voyage especially in a small boat with only one or two safe harbours along the way.
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I think this one of the reasons that SA boats sell at a big discount to the eastern states. It's a committing voyage especially in a small boat with only one or two safe harbours along the way.
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Quote:- you do not hear about many sailors getting drowned shipwrecked injured wet...
I fear we may be hearing of one soon to add to the many that have been mentioned on this forum.
Thanks Serenite........can't recall but didn't think I used the word "troll" - rather "is this a wind up..." but for sure your conclusion would be totally valid and rational given the text evidence...........
See below the Southerly 23 which was given away for free - I believe it must be Hipopps boat he was talking about
www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/southerly-23/213636
So top effort right there Hipopp............please Hipopp confirm.............so we can assist you to achieve your plan...........
So now we need to get you around from Adelaide to Portland in one piece - so the both of you boat and you..........
The truck is still the solution.
!978 Duncanson 29Lying : North Haven Marina Sth AustraliaVery clean example of these well loved iconic boats, also a rarer model with space saving wheel steering!Extensive work carried out over the last years.New Yanmar 1GM10S diesel engine 2015 (60 hours) New dodger/bimini 2016, New boom bag /lazyjacks 2016New Electronics (GPS/Sounder/wind instruments) 2016. New rigging 2016GME VHF radio,sound system.Great buying and ready to sail away!
southace just got a quote...3700 plus 1500 expenses....same as yours i suppose.
hey folks..i must be missing something here on this site...is there any manners left? time to ignore posted when i was simply answering a question by southace? what are the rules of asking questyions here on seebreeze? the other thread was stopped for what reason? a member on this thread is encouraging others to ignore my replies to southace. You got me beat so I can only guess...the members here want to be told what they want to hear only. Yuo hear about this on the bolt report...type of censorship!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am new to bluewater sailing so i also guess the professionals here do not want to lower themselves discussing with a newbie and his lowly needs. This happens in golf and yacht and coin and gardening clubs till only older members are left no one puts up with the bulldust of power etc. then everyone laments the passing of the institution ha!! Contrary to the opinion of others who seem to be prejudiced I would not go out into the big water till i had 101 questions answered either through my own research or on this website. So far after a 101 hours of watching utube and here and other sites i still have not found the simple info I AM AFTER, What angles do you sail the various waves...none not zilch answers anywhere. Then the question sailing with following sea safety considerations none not zilch answer anywhere. You folk may take it for granted but this info is vital for this little ducky who happens to be quite a handsome 71 y.o and needs to live like anyone else.
Hi Hipopp,
this site is just like all the other forums out their, with lots of opinions. Just need to ignore some bits and concentrate on the one's that help. I think a few of us have concerns with what you are proposing, but its your life.
On some of your questions I would try to find Peter Bruce's excellent book "Heavy Weather Sailing", which will answerr questions like angle you sail the various waves. The latest edition (7th) is great and fully update, but expensive. The older editions are still very good and a lot cheaper to get hold of 2nd hand.
Good luck, Ilenart
Its a bit of a tricky one to answer.
the best angle to run with or bash over waves will vary for different boats and conditions.
Also the proximity of dangers and the course you need to steer are a big factor on the coast.
I would recommend doing some sailing around the gulfs Kangaroo Island and Port Lincoln first to get used to the boat and get a bit of a feel for open water first.
Adelaide to Portland is jumping in at the deep end off a high tower.
Its a bit of a tricky one to answer.
the best angle to run with or bash over waves will vary for different boats and conditions.
Also the proximity of dangers and the course you need to steer are a big factor on the coast.
I would recommend doing some sailing around the gulfs Kangaroo Island and Port Lincoln first to get used to the boat and get a bit of a feel for open water first.
Adelaide to Portland is jumping in at the deep end off a high tower.
It was mentioned, there Are not many hiding, resting places along the way.
when I Was planning take Sweet Chariot from Port Pirie to Melbourne, I personally checked suitability along the way. Robe, Portland, Port Fairy, Warrnambool, Apollo Bay, Lorne Bay if calm,
PPB, if rough push to Westernport just Flinders jetty.
Once you get to KI beating out of the gulf from Adelaide, you can take a breather at Penneshaw marina cove , have a great meal on the hill side pub and then check the weather and if you get a window head to Robe or cape Jaffa which are the only safe ports in 24 hours at 5 knots. After that once you reach Robe take another breath check weather and your next leg will be closer to land but be prepared to hook a craypot onto your prop shaft during the night on the next 24 hour leg to Portland. You do have carpenters rocks and port McDonald as emergency stop overs but better keeping away from land really.
Im going to take my own yacht in November to Tassie and last time I did this passage in my previous yacht **** hit the fan on all passages but still got some good runs with weather I predicted in the first stage of the passages. Best is when it's flat calm 40c and the 60hp pushing 6 knots with radar,AIS, and all the navionics.
Yes as per Ilenart a great book by editor Peter Bruce and the many other contributors...............
See here a shortened first number of pages version of the Peter Bruce book ............sobering reading...........
www.amazon.com.au/Heavy-Weather-Sailing-Peter-Bruce/dp/1472923197/ref=asc_df_1472923197/?tag=googleshopdsk-22&linkCode=df0&hvadid=341791733921&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5563090080060995985&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9071803&hvtargid=pla-466688739501&psc=1#reader_B01FA84YL2
As per Woko the cods head and mackeral tail design reaches and runs well, but is a bit compromised upwind.
So totally off topic but...........
Arguably Bob Miller's best design was Gingko of such a cods head and mackeral tail design...........this boat got the upwind and downwind balance perfect......Ciel III also got it perfect.
See here a short story of Bob/Ben - ok we have all heard it before but for those who have'nt it is good reading...............this text is the best short summary I have seen.........of course not all his designs hit the mark - he did a Travelodge 18 in the early 70s which was way too deep vee..............
www.fishingboating-world.com/n/Australia-II--Winged-Keels-revisited/-62313?source=google.au
The Duncanson 29 is a very capable sea boat, a friend of mine sailed his, with one crew, from Kangaroo Island around the bottom of Tasmania non stop to NZ!
He explored Fiordland before returning via Bass Strait back in the 90's. Another couple from South Australia sailed one around the world over several years. Both stories are told in a chapter of a book "More Yachting Yarns from South Australia" available to download on line.
The D29 mentioned for sale here looks to be a good example. The wheel steering without an autopilot and the small 10hp motor could be a concern on the long solo voyage. Most D29's have been re-powered with 15hp engines.
Also as mentioned in earlier posts, it would be good advice to do several shakedown cruises. There are many beautiful destinations in both Gulf St Vincent and Spencer Gulf in South Australia. Practice sailing in a variety of sea conditions, especially the technique of heaving to, which the Duncanson 29 does well.
Good luck with your adventure!
If you want to know what to do..go to setsail.com and download the free books by the Dashews. An amazing resource that they have made available for all of us.