Axis 101

How's it compare to the 1000?

Got a pic?

Bigtone667 what rear did you run ? I've ridden the whole Axis range and found the 101 can easily match the maximum speed of the 90 & 100 and far more than the 102 . It also has a much slower stall speed than the 90 &100. However the 102 can also foil very slow without collapsing like the 90 or 100.

The wide flat rear really makes a difference but found it a bit skatey on the wing foil with the 101 as they are both very flat. The DW paddle guys however love it as it's really easy to paddle up and holds well from bump to bump. Pump wise I found it really good but it is a different pump style like the new GoFoil GL's . The wide flat high aspect wings do take a bit to get used to. The Perth test DW riders really like it but they working on a slightly smaller version and the can become a handful at speed. Agree the 102 does feel very slow compared to the 101 and blows out at much

Plenty going on in the Axis R&D camp with more M shaped surf wings coming out like the new 66 just released.exciting times ahead.

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Piros said..
Bigtone667 what rear did you run ? I've ridden the whole Axis range and found the 101 can easily match the maximum speed of the 90 & 100 and far more than the 102 . It also has a much slower stall speed than the 90 &100. However the 102 can also foil very slow without collapsing like the 90 or 100.

The wide flat rear really makes a difference but found it a bit skatey on the wing foil with the 101 as they are both very flat. The DW paddle guys however love it as it's really easy to paddle up and holds well from bump to bump. Pump wise I found it really good but it is a different pump style like the new GoFoil GL's . The wide flat high aspect wings do take a bit to get used to. The Perth test DW riders really like it but they working on a slightly smaller version and the can become a handful at speed.

Plenty going on in the Axis R&D camp with more M shaped surf wings coming out like the new 75 just released.

I had 440 rear wing and the long fuselage today.......

It is an interesting beast to pump up onto. I am using the wing and a weird popping/thrusting movement to thrust the wing forward to get a little bit of board speed. Once I have a small amount of speed the pumping becomes pretty easy and thing shoots forward and up. A slight variation on my current technique for a low aspect wing. I think I only collapsed the board/wing twice today pumping.

I was winging in 20 odd knots and struggled on a 5m duotone, but a 7m gong (with it's butterfly tendencies) worked really well in thrusting the board forward and up.

Normally I would be fine with the 5m and 2000cm2 wing in 20 knots,, so it makes sense that the 1430cm2 foil needed the 7m. Once I was up, zoom!!

The speed thing is interesting. I was only riding little one foot lake bumps and as soon as I turned down them with the wing under power, I would take off like a madman. Had to be very aware of the need to push the board down and forward, so I would not breach my little 65cm mast. Did some nice leaps over the foil wing today.

I appreciate your reference to feeling a little skatey. I don't feel it at all under power, but once I am riding slowly downwind and completely flat, it feels skatey. The zeeko XXL spitfire displayed the same tendencies, so I assume it is typical of very flat wings.

That is just a great looking wing. Thinking about machining a Go Foil to Axis wing adapter from aluminum. A buddy is always looking for interesting projects for his 5 axis Haas cnc mill. Should be enough meat there to work.

How does it feel compare to 1000 for DW? Especially the take off.
Because I love the 1000 once I'm up (still need at least 20nd) but I found hard to take off if the bumps are not steep enough.

Im looking forward trying the 101 which I think and hope would be in between the 92/102 and 1000 (easy to catch a bump, good speed, good glide even at lower speed).

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Piros said..
Bigtone the flat Axis rear is similar to the Signature/ Uni 18" race and the GoFoil GL but just a bit more pulled in on the tips . Gives a lot more lift and glide without the blowing out features of other rears . I'd be trying this first.

Frenchfoiler the 100 is really a great wing but the 101 is the gap filler for more low speed lift and lower stall speed. This is what the 90 & 100 lack. If it's blowing hard and you are an experienced rider the 90 & 100 will do the job but overall the 101 is easier to ride and more efficient. It bridges the gap for lower wind and swell days and takes the beginner to intermediate rider to an more advanced stage much quicker . A lot of work went into this wing for exactly this purpose .

It actually works so well they are working on a slightly smaller one for the more advanced riders.

Thanks Piros, exactly waht I wanted to hear.

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Piros said..
Bigtone the flat Axis rear is similar to the Signature/ Uni 18" race and the GoFoil GL but just a bit more pulled in on the tips . Gives a lot more lift and glide without the blowing out features of other rears . I'd be trying this first.

Frenchfoiler the 100 is really a great wing but the 101 is the gap filler for more low speed lift and lower stall speed. This is what the 90 & 100 lack. If it's blowing hard and you are an experienced rider the 90 & 100 will do the job but overall the 101 is easier to ride and more efficient. It bridges the gap for lower wind and swell days and takes the beginner to intermediate rider to an more advanced stage much quicker . A lot of work went into this wing for exactly this purpose .

It actually works so well they are working on a slightly smaller one for the more advanced riders.

So I tried the 101 with flat rear on a dw.

It wasn't a big dw, around 18nd but with wind swell bumps.

It is definetly easier to take off than the 900 or 1000. But not as easy as the 102. Maybe close to the 92.

I didn't have my gps watch and I was foiling with 14' racers no other foiler so hard to tell the speed.

It felt really stable and fast, I didn't have to use my paddle during the run, only quick pumping to speed up when needed which is a good thing.

Compared to the 1000, it is not as good for turning/carving but it is way more forgiving, when you loose your momentum/speed you stay up longer which allows you to speed up (pumping or paddling).

I need to see how fast it is but I think on a bigger dw I might use a smaller stab (I'm thinking making a smaller stab) and a 90cm mast.

This match my expectation, I was looking for something between the 102/92 and the 1000, and this is exactly watch it is.

I've been playing with the 1010 wing with different set ups the past week and found I really like it on the ultra short fuselage and with the flat rear or 370 rear. If the set up was on the short fuselage then it was slower and just felt like a little of an up grade from the 102. The ultra short fuselage really opens up its pumpabilty, its turning speed and having the least amount of drag in the tail allows for the speed the front wing can go.
I usually use a short fuselage for wing foiling but, with the 101, I'm keeping ultra short for sup and wing. This wing is actually more stable than the 1000 so tweak your set up. I'm looking forward to a smaller flat rear.

I agree that a smaller rear feels way more nimble and maneuverable when the bumps get bigger DW.

On the fuselage, it feels to me that on the ultrashort the pumping arc feels like I use a lot less energy and effort however i'm not sure if i get the same forward momentum as the short or standard?

Does anyone know of any actual testing data on this from the Axis DW test guys? Maybe the West Australia Axis DW guys?

Phil,
The axis 101 could work well for you, I have not used it myself. Or try the GL240 or the Takuma 1900. All these 3 wings work downwinding for big guys who are experienced. I suggest though if you have access to a M280 do yourself a favor and get on that first. Make it easy then move to one of the other wings I mentioned. I am 90kg and use the GL240 most of the time in wind chop conditions, GL210 when theres swell and more wind. So many people wanting to learn on faster wings but what is important on downwinding is you the work out the technique first. It ain't easy at the start don't matter how many trophies you have.... Be prepared to do a few runs with limited success. Just get a high lift wing first. Persist as its the best form of foiling IMO!

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Scotty Mac said..
It ain't easy at the start don't matter how many trophies you have....

GOLD!

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Scotty Mac said..
Phil,
The axis 101 could work well for you, I have not used it myself. Or try the GL240 or the Takuma 1900. All these 3 wings work downwinding for big guys who are experienced. I suggest though if you have access to a M280 do yourself a favor and get on that first. Make it easy then move to one of the other wings I mentioned. I am 90kg and use the GL240 most of the time in wind chop conditions, GL210 when theres swell and more wind. So many people wanting to learn on faster wings but what is important on downwinding is you the work out the technique first. It ain't easy at the start don't matter how many trophies you have.... Be prepared to do a few runs with limited success. Just get a high lift wing first. Persist as its the best form of foiling IMO!

I agree, GF280 is the one to start first, expecially if you have already a GF, then go smaller around 2000cm2, then you can go for hight aspect faster wing but not before you are comfortable dwinding with the big wing.

Axis 102, Armstrong 2500, GL 240, Sroka XL, Gong XXL, Naish??, plenty of foil for bigger guys.

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bigtone667 said..
102 wing should work well.

I use the 102 when I wing ding in 12/15 knots as it is effectively a light wind weapon for me. Super easy to bounce up onto and stays up on the foil in 6/7 knots.

It became less boring as I started to use my wing as pivot point. 101 is more fun, but the 102 works better in light conditions for me.

Thanks for the feedback bigtone667

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Scotty Mac said..
Phil,
The axis 101 could work well for you, I have not used it myself. Or try the GL240 or the Takuma 1900. All these 3 wings work downwinding for big guys who are experienced. I suggest though if you have access to a M280 do yourself a favor and get on that first. Make it easy then move to one of the other wings I mentioned. I am 90kg and use the GL240 most of the time in wind chop conditions, GL210 when theres swell and more wind. So many people wanting to learn on faster wings but what is important on downwinding is you the work out the technique first. It ain't easy at the start don't matter how many trophies you have.... Be prepared to do a few runs with limited success. Just get a high lift wing first. Persist as its the best form of foiling IMO!

Thanks Scotty, for the feed back.
I do like what the AXIS gives for the Heavyweight from what I've seen & from what my close friends on Maui have told me plus the crew from Surf FX "legends"

I do love GF but not really into the GF 240 wing I had a go of the GF 240 wing in the surf & she felt too sluggish. That's the old style GF 240 I'm talking about - the new GF 240 maybe better? I'm a Big Fan of the GF 200 though, love it.

When I do give SUP Downwind foiling a go I'll go from Broadbeach SLSC to North Burleigh SLCS = 5km when it's NE or Currumbin Alley to North Burleigh SLSC = 7km in a SE'r

I know Scotty Mac I'll be p@#sing into the wind when I do start learning who to SUP foil Downwind, My close friends on Maui guys like Jeremy Riggs & co tell me I'll be able to work it out quickly. "fingers crossed."