JP / NP Board & Foil

Just picked up this bit of foil porn , haven't got it wet yet , feels incredibly stiff but still weighs in at just a touch over 1.1kg This is the first of production run , 50mm longer and an extra layer of carbon than the proto I tested . It comes in at just over 1kg lighter than the ali mast and 25mm narrower in the cord. (Ali mast & plate 2.2kg)

I'm just waiting for the wind to blow so I can watch it fall over & ding your bonnet. Haaa!
Sorry. The mast looks great. Looking forward to the review.
My JP board & NP foil is much easier to carry than my other board. But the other day I had to walk along a skinny track & negotiate around a few shrubs. So with this mast it will be easy to lift board & foil above my head to make it easier & avoid any damage & scratches.

I like carbon but costly.
Piros, what's your opinion with current axis compare to np foil?

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JEG said..
I like carbon but costly.
Piros, what's your opinion with current axis compare to np foil?

Strength and flex wise very similar as both are very strong. Axis definetly has the edge on the down wind with the 1020 wing plus they just released a new 90cm high aspect wing which looks really good, so NP has some catching up to do there. Surf wise much prefer the NP set up definitely better all round in waves , however the Axis 82 & 92 are fun easy to ride wings plus they just released a new 76 which is getting pretty popular. There is a great new video of Keahi on his Instagram page ripping on the new NP high aspect proto , so plenty more good stuff to come .

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Clamsmasha said..
Do you have any idea when they might release a Maliko 200 sized wing?

I am thinking of getting a Gofoil Maliko 200 and 280 with the new 29,5 mast. And the IWA while Iam at it....
I am not going to wait half a year...

But first I have to make sure that the 29,5 Gofoil mast (and the complete foil) are as stiff as the aluminium NP mast

Who can tell me how they compare?

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Piros said..

Clamsmasha said..
Love the carbon Piros, would bang.

Do you have any idea when they might release a Maliko 200 sized wing?

Keahi is already riding the small high aspect wing proto and large is ready for testing but wouldn't hold your breath , it will be a few months at least . The new GF mast is heaps better than the original it's very stiff but no not as stiff as the NP or Axis Ali mast . I really doubt any carbon mast will ever be that stiff . If you want to DW pretty hard to go past the Axis with the 1020 it really is the fastest and most efficient wing for its size.

I think that, at the same weight, a carbon mast can be at least as stiff an allu mast.

making them too light is a big mistake.

Perhaps put an extra layer of carbon on the mast?

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Piros said..
Yes that would be right but the other thing is the physical size of the NP & Axis is much bigger as they don't have to fit into a Tuttle head because of screw on attachments where as the Go Foil mast can be no wider or longer than a Tuttle head as the mast is moulded inside the Tuttle head , this includes their track mount , having said all that it's still a really good mast and very stiff.

So I can use a Gofoil Maliko 200 with a 29,5 mast without getting balance problems like I experienced wit the 24,5 mast?

The last 5 sessions I was back on my NP foil, what a joy and I made some real progress again...

I don't want to struggle with mast wobble and f**k up my muscle memory.

Camarillo said :- So I can use a Gofoil Maliko 200 with a 29,5 mast without getting balance problems like I experienced wit the 24,5 mast?

Yes

Post a shot where the screw heads go in on the back of the plate. When you say it was wobbly had they come loose. Where did you get a 820 mast .

Wow. That is a big heavy board you got there mate you didn't fall on it?or?
I got a 820 and cut it to 750 which i prefer to the 650 standard
Used a 700 on my slingshot rig for almost 2 years
Found the NP large wing caused a little flex only noticeable when I get tired and a bit wobbly
Really like my new NP gear

Thanks I will call the shop tomorrow or Monday and see if they can help. The hardest part about cutting out the bent bit is that is the part that is recessed to take the plate tongue which will be hard to replicate once cut down. I will check with them before trying to straighten anything though.

Hi Tomooh. I'm not really surprised that it was possible to happen on an 820 mast. I believe the leverage would be much more & the force greater to bend the mast. It has happened to my chinese copy a number of times. And I believe it is caused from a side on hit from a wave usually after you kick the board off side ways in front of a wave. I know. Cause I have checked the foil straight after to find that it was bent.
I doubt this would ever occur with a prone board as I beieve it is the size & width of the board when hit by a wave that does the damage on initial impact on the underside of the upper facing rail.
Now I try my hardest to ensure that I never expose my board & foil to a side on hit. And the occurances have been lessened.
I always try & grab the leash at the tail so the board spins around for the wave to hit the tail of the board or to a lesser degree the nose of the board but never side on if I can help it. Although my NP has been struck side on but think the wider 65cm mast has been stronger for it not to happen.
I think if the 820 mast was made stronger it may just rip the mast block away from the board. So where do we draw the line in strengthening. Something has to give.
Hope you get it replaced. If not. I would bolt the mast back into the plate, stick in a vice & with gloves or whatever pull down on the fuselarge end of the mast to straighten it. Hopefully the plate prongs haven't cracked. Or better still heat up the plate prongs a little with a blow torch, bolt in & then bend straight. Let cool in air temperature.

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Seajuice said..

+1 on all you said.

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Camarillo said..

Piros said..
Camarillo said :- So I can use a Gofoil Maliko 200 with a 29,5 mast without getting balance problems like I experienced wit the 24,5 mast?

Yes

Thanks that is good to know
But the mast is quite long ; 29,5" plus about 4,5" plate adapter is 34" 86 cm

Isn't that a bit too long for a beginning intermediate?

You'll be right , it's just harder in shallow water (hitting bottom ) and getting back on the board as the 200 floats and it harder to move the board around plus get it right way up. Plus you notice that extra height crashing & going over the Handel bars ??

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Seajuice said..

I think if the 820 mast was made stronger it may just rip the mast block away from the board. So where do we draw the line in strengthening. Something has to give.

Yeah, i replaced my loose tolerance brass 6mm plate mount bolts ( which seem very cheap), with a nice quality 8mm Stainless steal bolts.
Then thinking about it, the cheaper smaller brass bolts failing may be the best option when something has to give. At least for those with floating foils.