Piros has asked me to post these pics for him. DC boards at Malfunction Greenline SUP event on the weekend and a shot of Dale supping the bank near the comp
nice quiver of weapons of mass destruction
so loving the new nuclear arms race that is going on
dale was rippin the bank next to the comp at malfunction
nice work
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Yeah there have been huge changes in design, the one man outrigger style nose lets it pearl on runners but still surfaces without catching, the dihedral on the deck causes the Hydrodynamics to change and the nose gets forced up and not sucked down like the traditional turned up nose.
The tail , rails and double concave changes and are all very different as well but a bit over my head , Dale or Lacey will have to explian those.
Thanks for the pic Pete.
Rob
its a good picture to see the difference between the old and new. especially the nose desgin. Is it just a coincidence or did those noses change when the Lahui Kai boards cleaned up at the BOP?
husq2100 said...
its a good picture to see the difference between the old and new. especially the nose desgin. Is it just a coincidence or did those noses change when the Lahui Kai boards cleaned up at the BOP?
I can see where you are going with this but if you put the Lahui Kai 12-6 , 14 or 17 next the same DC's they are not even remotely close.
I paddled Candice Lahui Kai 12-6 prior to the race the only similarity between that and the DC was they were both 12-6,the Lahui Kai was a pin tail the DC is a square tail , the Lahui Kai nose was flat on the deck , the DC had a large dihedral on the nose , rails , concaves & plan shape all completely different.
The nose shape that has come into Stand Up boards now is nothing new it's been around in 18 foot prone boards for years. Dick Van Stralen was the one that introduced it and you'll even see it nipper boards.
Rob
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some good points have been made, at the end of the day water is water and it behaves in a certain way, only the conditions change.....
they may have changed before the BOP, but then again Billy won the Hololua last year on a Lahui Kai.....just after JM crossed the line on his prone Lahui Kai.....does it matter, not really.
But from pictures the new DC's look alot more like LK than the old green one....no argung that. The other differences that are there, may make the difference in performance but my comment was more aimed at, if something does well people will always look at it. All this talk of how well DC's boards went in the malfunction race and yet they were the most popular.......they should dominate. But is it a real test of the boards and paddlers???? only time will tell
Can someone please explain the concept of concave to me? I hear a lot about double-concave, single concave, double to single and now even triple by sounds of things but Im unsure as how this affects performance.
I get it that this is referring to a very slight concave indent to the underside of the board but how deep? 5mm? 20mm? How far from the nose does concave start? Will a concave board always be better than one with a completely flat bottom?
If a board is a planing hull type board it's not really working till it gets on the plane.. A board gets on the plane when the surface tension is broken and you get a sort of air gap between the board and the water.. A concave is a way of forcing more air between the board and the water hoping to get the board on the plane sooner than a board without.. Single concaves work best at the front and two concaves (double barrel) work best at the rear.. mostly because you can have some V which helps with turning.. So that's why single going to double barrel concaves are so popular.. How deep the concaves are also effects the boards performance and deeper is not always better... That's my quick take on all this stuff..
DJ
G'day All
Some great & funny comments made by all. I want to see all you guys on that 30k starting line of the saltwater festival 8-9th May. It will be great to see DC 17ft Lahui Kai 17ft Secret Agent 17ft Naish 17ft SIC 17ft at the starting line it'll be a good test of you & board ability. (its looking to be a fun & challenging race already with all these boards).
This is the feed back what I've been told from good recourses ( so its only hearsay! )the Lahui Kai 17fter goes unreal in the flat in the rough they go like s##t the Hawaiian hat them & gave them back. That Green 17ft DC nose dives in the rough.
At the end of the day you need 2 boards one for the rough & one for the flat an in-between board only does 1/2 the job. That why I have 2 boards a F-16 & a F-18 & have never looked back & my 8'6'' is just for surfing. So all I can say I'm just stoked with all 3 boards.
If they ever have a over 40's BOP in Australia then I'ed look at getting a 12'6'' made & it would look similar to a Lahui Kai but made by Woody Jack.
see ya in da ocean
DW
Thanks DJ that kinda makes sense to me. So concave is only useful when planing? What about in the flat or I guess thats were displacement style comes in
G'day Mike
Yes good call but the funny thing is how come people can not sell there DC 17fters on the forum they have been on there for months! yet I've sold 3 SIC 16fters over 2 years & they all went within 3 weeks of advertising. Like how hard is it. Dale is a great bloke & a Master Craftsman. If i was a surfboard shaper I'd grab my 6'6'' & blow it up to 17ft thats why my F-16 & those 17ft Naish boards go so well as they just look like large surfboard. But I agree the F-16 & Naish 17fter go like s##t slow in the flat as they are made for the ocean swells.
Have fun in Tonga & no dryrails.
Mike well done on paddling 70ks in 8 hours that is an acheivement that works out at doing 6 minute 42 seconds a kilometre now that is fast at that distance as Jamie Mitchell was quoted saying you must have had the current & swell going your way
yep your better at SUP downwind than me my best is 52ks in 5 hour 10 minutes from Cabarita to the Spit the Wind was SSE 20 knots 5 feet South swell. 50ks is enough for me. You should go do the Molokai race I recon you'd be up the front having fun I'd be at the back draging my backside (saying are we there yet)
ok, seems like there is some fanboy action here....Is it not a public forum, which is open for debate? Not everyone is going to agree, like the old saying "you can't please all of the people all of the time".
Funny thing about what Phil said, was that I was taking to a mate that has been involved in standup and surfclub racing and told me exactly the same thing. Now it may come across as "bagging" but maybe its just the general consenses of those that have ridden a few of these boards in down wind conditions.
does it matter how fast Phil or anyone else can paddle to prove a point, hell put Jamie Mitchell or Billy Watson on an average board and they will pants most of those on the best boards....
Hear some trivia
Ekolu Kalama is a Stand Up Paddleboard all round WEAPON wins the 2009 Molokai Race in 5:02:06 with all those currents paddling into a 30 knot head wind the last 1.5 miles of the race & an out going tide. Now that’s fast holds the Molokai Record. The funny thing is Ekolu is 100% sponsored by Starboard SUP’s & I believe they make an unlimited board but when you see the photo’s Ekolu is paddling a F-16 with Starboard stickers all over it now that’s funny makes SIC look good & Starboard a joke
30km SUP races, 80 and 50km paddles by Mike and Phil. Crazy stuff and paddles that require a massive amount of training and ocean time to build up to.
I paddled a 21km OC6 marathon last weekend and while enjoyable and extremely competitive it gives me an idea of the endurance and pace required to paddle for that amount of time on a SUP a different proposition altogether.
I'm looking forward to some of the challenges ahead. There certainly are many.
Hey Phil,
Sorry about my last entry - it was a little over the top. No offence was intended. The point I was trying to make was that DC has a range of boards suited to different agendas. Most of the boards displayed in the picture are shorter distance racing hybrids. My board, on the other hand, is a big run ocean board. It's very stable and built for tougher conditions. It does perform well in those conditions, as demonstrated by the Byron to Burleigh paddle. Both Dale and I are very average paddlers so those boards and conditions played a big part in it.
Anyway, I am off to Tonga now. Take care and have fun out there.
