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Mercury dumped in Bay

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Created by wanker > 9 months ago, 1 Sep 2010
wanker
NT, 18 posts
1 Sep 2010 8:45AM
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Hey all you Suppers. Did you know that Melbourne Water pumps over 500 million litres ( thats 500 Megalitres) of Class C water into Port Phillip Bay at Werribee every day. And in that mix of toxic waste is a cocktail of heavy metals including a substantial quantity of Mercury. Port Phillip Bay is Melbourne's water playground and state governments continue to hide the truth about what is actually going on. Dont believe me then contact Melbourne Water and the EPA and ask them what is the Toxin Release Inventory of Werribee treatment plant and you will get..... the run around of your life. Its a scam its a sham

Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
1 Sep 2010 9:39AM
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take your politically motivated conspiracy theories to another forum mate.

you drain the positivity of the place

wanker
NT, 18 posts
1 Sep 2010 9:25AM
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No Politics here BIGWAVEDAVE...just reality...but maybe yoiu dont live there

Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
1 Sep 2010 10:06AM
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First post on a fun forum is about this?

Take it to the general forum or somewhere else.

Then provide scientific evidence of your claims.

This forum is all about SUP.....can't you read?

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
1 Sep 2010 10:29AM
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Melbourne Water officially say this (amongst other things);

http://www.melbournewater.com.au/content/rivers_and_creeks/river_health/river_health.asp

Analysis from 2005 shows that of the rivers and creeks in the region:

25% are in good or excellent condition
31% are in moderate to poor condition , and
44% are in poor or very poor condition.

www.melbournewater.com.au/content/rivers_and_creeks/the_rivers_and_creeks_system/history_of_our_rivers_and_creeks.asp?bhcp=1

Today, urban development is more sustainable in its approach, and water sensitive urban design is being introduced into suburbs to protect water quality and river and creek health. Waterways are now also valued in the urban landscape and are generally included in open spaces for new developments.

However, continuing urban growth has led to a decline in river health. As in the past, it will be a challenge to protect rivers and creeks as the lands around them change.

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Legal dumping of contaminated substances is very expensive, which I'm sure leads some dodgey practitioners towards illegal dumping.

I know Sydney Water have spent a reasonable amount of money inserting some catchment and settlement points within the stormwater systems, to assist with catching some of the pollutants, and then collecting prior to it getting into the water ways. But then you have to wonder, what happens to it at the legal dump sites.... but the EPA and the dump operator should have that end under control (??).

DavidJohn
VIC, 17476 posts
1 Sep 2010 10:32AM
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We have winds and currents that send that nasty water over to New Zealand..

DJ

wanker
NT, 18 posts
1 Sep 2010 1:11PM
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Interesting to note that the comments of a few boofheads who seem to have plenty of time on their hands would like to stymie a debate about the reality of the pollution in Melbourne's playground. They catch toxic fish off Werribee. Thats good EH?

planesailing
WA, 380 posts
1 Sep 2010 12:04PM
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I find it interesting you choose that as your
online name/precence.......?????

"While "to wank" means "to masturbate", the term "wanker" is seldom if ever used in British slang to denote "one who wanks". It is quite wrong to infer from somebody's being a wanker that they in fact wank (and vice versa), but of course, fair to assume they do in any case. Herein lies the genius of the insult: if you call someone a wanker, it's probably true, but only literally. I suppose it all originates from our repressed Victorian sexualities, from back when everybody thought they were the only ones to suffer the secret shame of being an actual wanker. Most children these days learn the word "wanker" long before they learn its literal meaning."

courtesy of URBAN DICTIONARY.

planesailing
WA, 380 posts
1 Sep 2010 12:07PM
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I have been a user of Port Phillip... (its not a bay).
for 50 years and i think its pretty clean ATM.
Its polluted YES! but we all create waste etc. where
else can it go? I dont condone but sorta understand.

wanker
NT, 18 posts
1 Sep 2010 1:49PM
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so dont you want to know how many kilos of Mercury get dumped in at Werribee...? I do

planesailing
WA, 380 posts
1 Sep 2010 12:25PM
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Nah as long as it sinks to the bottom.
All the other sh1t will drain out the
heads eventually. I try to stay above
the surface. I'm getting sick ant tired
of having to paint ANTIFOUL on the bottom
of my yacht, perhaps mercury might be
cheaper and last longer.
(all comments are meant in FUN!!)

Salatiela
NSW, 378 posts
1 Sep 2010 3:21PM
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interesting, why not post some of the emails, letters, phone logs or documentation that youve found....we all love the ocean if what your found is what you say post it and maybe you'll find those who'll support you in your quest....mate.

boarder paul
1952 posts
1 Sep 2010 2:09PM
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DavidJohn said...

We have winds and currents that send that nasty water over to New Zealand..

DJ


Is that why i have 6 toes

planesailing
WA, 380 posts
1 Sep 2010 2:24PM
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wow!! boarder paul.....
how did you lose the other 4 toes ??

JonathanC
VIC, 1021 posts
1 Sep 2010 5:02PM
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wanker said...

so dont you want to know how many kilos of Mercury get dumped in at Werribee...? I do



Interesting style you have there Wanker - get onto a forum and then start calling people boofheads with too much time on their hands. And you are doing this out of the goodness of your heart, just trying to save us from those big bad politicians because of your heart rending concern for our health.

Facts and figures with quoted references may be of interest, but your passive aggressive, know it all attitude sure aint of any interest to me. Without doubt you have an agenda or a personality disorder - probably both. If you do have a personality disorder I'm genuinely sorry for you, do yourself a favour and go see a doc.

boarder paul
1952 posts
1 Sep 2010 3:06PM
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planesailing said...

wow!! boarder paul.....
how did you lose the other 4 toes ??


Well, It was a day out surfing and it was a nice 6 to 8ft i turned round and seen a fin Big ass white pointer, It tried to have me but i gave it a kick in the teeth knocking several of its man eating sharpness out.

I got my foot cought, and lot my toes

62mac
WA, 24860 posts
1 Sep 2010 3:20PM
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boarder paul said...

planesailing said...

wow!! boarder paul.....
how did you lose the other 4 toes ??


Well, It was a day out surfing and it was a nice 6 to 8ft i turned round and seen a fin Big ass white pointer, It tried to have me but i gave it a kick in the teeth knocking several of its man eating sharpness out.

I got my foot cought, and lot my toes

are you on the drink again

JonathanC
VIC, 1021 posts
1 Sep 2010 5:22PM
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62mac said...

boarder paul said...

planesailing said...

wow!! boarder paul.....
how did you lose the other 4 toes ??


Well, It was a day out surfing and it was a nice 6 to 8ft i turned round and seen a fin Big ass white pointer, It tried to have me but i gave it a kick in the teeth knocking several of its man eating sharpness out.

I got my foot cought, and lot my toes

are you on the drink again




He's just trying to show our new mate Wanker that we aren't boofheads

boarder paul
1952 posts
1 Sep 2010 3:26PM
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boarder paul
1952 posts
1 Sep 2010 3:28PM
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62mac said...

boarder paul said...

planesailing said...

wow!! boarder paul.....
how did you lose the other 4 toes ??


Well, It was a day out surfing and it was a nice 6 to 8ft i turned round and seen a fin Big ass white pointer, It tried to have me but i gave it a kick in the teeth knocking several of its man eating sharpness out.

I got my foot cought, and lot my toes

are you on the drink again

Not yet, But i will be



boarder paul
1952 posts
1 Sep 2010 3:32PM
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wanker said...

Interesting to note that the comments of a few boofheads who seem to have plenty of time on their hands would like to stymie a debate about the reality of the pollution in Melbourne's playground. They catch toxic fish off Werribee. Thats good EH?


Pollution, DAM we kitesurf in the SH..t ponds here Im still alive, Sure im not all there but alive

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
1 Sep 2010 5:32PM
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http://www.yvw.com.au/yvw/Home/AlternativeWaterSources/RecycledWater/ClassCRecycledWater.htm

Class C Recycled Water
What is Class C recycled water?

A secondary treatment process combined with minor pathogen reduction is used to produce Class C recycled water. With strict management practices it may be used for the following:
- Cooked/processed human food crops
- Selected (raw/unprocessed) crops not directly exposed to recycled water (eg. apples)
- Grazing/fodder for cattle, sheep, horses, goats etc.
- Grazing for dairy cattle (subject to a five day holding period after irrigation)
- Urban (non-drinking) uses with restricted public access
- Closed industrial systems
- Non food crops such as woodlots, turf growing and flowers

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Another definition of Class C seems to be;
E. Coli - less than 1000 particles per 100ml
Suspended Solids of 30mg/Litre
pH of 6-8.5
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So as far as I can see, Class C water is pretty close to being considered as "Grey Water" (which is actually very clear).

Yes, 30mg of Suspended Solids is a concern, but the vast majority of this may be undigested organic particles, and not contaminants.

Any modern Sewerage Treatment Plant does the following tasks;
1) Grit Removal - removal of sand, coffee grounds, broken earthen pipe grit, soil, etc
2) Primary Sedimentation & aeration - floating and sinking stuff is then moved off for further process
3) Nutrient Removal - via a number of alternatives
4) Tertiary Filtration - via a number of alternatives
5) Disinfection, often via UV and Chlorination
6) Option for Ultra Filtration &/or RO (Reverse Osmosis) which is used for removal of very fine particles, and it even filters out some or all of the E.Coli particles. This process improves the "Class C" water.
7) Solids Treatment - a thickening process via centrifuges or gravity thickening tanks. Plus anaerobic or aerobic digestion, where bacteria eats and digests much of the solids, and you get solids reduction. Methane gas can be a bi-product, and some plants install electrical co-generation, to use the methane energy to make electricity which is used at the facility.
8) Chemical Dosing - a few different chemicals are required throughout the process;
- Disinfection uses a selection of sodium bisulfate and sodium hypochlorite (liquid chlorine), and in the old days, Clorine Gas, and UV
- Nutrient Removal uses a selection of Ferric Chloride & Ferric Sulphate for phosphate removal (please select low phosphate detergents), Alum Sulphate, Polymers as flocculant (particle binders to aid sinking or particles), and Lime and Magnesium Hydroxide for pH balancing.
9) Odour control via a number of options.

In all fairness to Melbourne Water, they are in charge of dealing with all of the sh!t that Melbournians put into the sewers, and if some of that includes mercury, it is not necessarily Melbourne Water's fault that it entered the system....

I would hazard a guess that some mercury ends up with the sludge, which is usually sent to land fill. But sure, some heavy metals might make it through... But if people didn't put the heavy metals into the sewer in the first place, it would be less of a problem.

Disclaimer - I do not work for Melbourne Water, but I do infrastructure estimating, and part of that involves water filtration and sewer treatment plants, from time to time.

boarder paul
1952 posts
1 Sep 2010 3:33PM
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planesailing said...

I find it interesting you choose that as your
online name/precence.......?????

"While "to wank" means "to masturbate", the term "wanker" is seldom if ever used in British slang to denote "one who wanks". It is quite wrong to infer from somebody's being a wanker that they in fact wank (and vice versa), but of course, fair to assume they do in any case. Herein lies the genius of the insult: if you call someone a wanker, it's probably true, but only literally. I suppose it all originates from our repressed Victorian sexualities, from back when everybody thought they were the only ones to suffer the secret shame of being an actual wanker. Most children these days learn the word "wanker" long before they learn its literal meaning.

All this talk of wanking has got me excited Opps did i just say that
courtesy of URBAN DICTIONARY.




boarder paul
1952 posts
1 Sep 2010 3:41PM
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POO PONDS



Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
1 Sep 2010 5:45PM
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If you are interested, 1ML = 10m x 10m x 10m. An Olympic Pool holds about 1.5ML.

The quoted 500ML / day inflow to Port Phillip is required due to Melbournians having showers, flushing toilets, washing clothes, kitchen sinks, etc.

Sydney siders use about 1200ML of water per day, on average. Not all of it ends in the sewer, as a proportion goes into gardens, market gardens, crops, etc....

Salatiela
NSW, 378 posts
1 Sep 2010 5:50PM
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but wheres wanker?

wanker
NT, 18 posts
1 Sep 2010 5:27PM
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Hey Simondo, do they say anything about being safe use to Dump Class C into the salt water? Thats the old way is it not 'solution to pollution is dilution'. We have it on very good authority re the Mercury. Melbourne Water is the bunny thats for sure , its the retail water companies that sell the trade waste agreements to private companies that produce toxic stuff and then it goes in the sewerage system for the old treatment plant to process and then into the Bay. The retail water companies are government companies.
That oily feeling on your skin from Port Phillip Bay...Whats that???

62mac
WA, 24860 posts
1 Sep 2010 4:11PM
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wanker said...

That oily feeling on your skin from Port Phillip Bay...Whats that???


A lot of wanking going on in here,so could it be

Laurie please remove this unrelated topic to the general forum.
I know a few guys who would go to town on this one

planesailing
WA, 380 posts
1 Sep 2010 4:32PM
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i repeat.... "its not a bay" its Port Phillip.
GRRRR!!!

wanker
NT, 18 posts
1 Sep 2010 6:19PM
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who gives a razoo. about weather most people got it right or wrong. Its the same as what the government do. They create enuf spin about something that after a while we believe it. Like we have been told for the last 30 years that Werribee is a state of the art sewerage treatment process. Maybe it was when it was built but not now... They have to take the cattle that are grazing on the treatment plant pastures away for 6 months to wean the toxic build up from their system b4 they cut them up for human consumption. The sea grass beds have been eliminated from the top of the bay. Now we get toxic fish...any comments??

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
1 Sep 2010 7:06PM
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Mercury at the bottom of the bay (oops, sorry, the Phillip) means lighter, saltier, foamy water at the top which is great for downwinders. I say, bring it on.



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