dunno, are you getting upset? 
for me a sup is hard to get vert and will not snap off the top, well not fast anyway, and critical not so flash. but speed turns, lenght of turns, carves, cutties, floaters and close outs, in these elments, a good hp sup and surfer can match a shortboard. some of the floaters i've had on a sup i wouldn't come close to on a shortboard.
a lot of the good sup pers get figures 8's on just about every cutback they do. i only see the pro's doing that regularly on shortboards.
cheers
ps nobody likes to see flat pie turns on any board
dunno, are you getting upset?
dunno, are you getting upset?
Interesting topic!
Firstly, Great article lozz,
It always amazes me that people put so much effort into commenting on something that they don't like. you hear sayings like "if you look for it you'll get it" and "keep focused and anything is possible". Why would you want to waste your time looking for something to make it possible to hate even though you already don't like doing it anyway??
Now it might just be the beer talking, but wouldn't it be a better investment in your time to seek making possible things you do enjoy?
and as confucius would say,
"Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves"
"Everything has it's beauty, but not everyone see's it"
"Mans natures are alike, but it's their habits that carry them far apart"
"When we see men of a contrary character, we should turn inwards and examine ourselves."
"Fine words and an insinuating appearance are seldom associated with true virtue."
JB
Yes interesting reading,however I believe some sup'ers is this forum think they are seasoned surfers,some are some NOT,when its obvious they are nothing but want to be's,also some of you guy's need to lighten up with all this proto type crap, pioneering rubbish you speak. It does my head in really.Some need to take a break or risk giving themselves a heart attack,way to serious.
I think this is part of the reason why sup'ing is struggling to find its way in the general surfing community.
I dont mean to offend anyone,my apologies if I have,I see sup'ers paddling out who can barely balance without a legrope, now that's not going to win any respect is it.
I note today a guy mentions a shop that offered him good service only to get smashed where the real pimp is treated like god.
Now before you start,I do respect MOST of you Guy's and Girl's,I am simply expressing my opinion,that's what a forum is about right.Say it as it is and dont fear
Whoops I both sup and surf shorties and there both great FUN
Just relax and enjoy the ride,whatever your on
Good reply Makaha agree with all of that. With the sport being so new there will always be the influx of newbies and Stand Up's gets people into the surf that couldn't do it on a shortboard or mal.Even with my previous surf expierence I still clearly remember my kook moments on our local breaks.
I absolutely can't cop the stink eye BUT I do understand where it comes from especially when see some new guy paddle out on a Sup with no idea and obliviously paddles into anything. This guy will eventually learn but it's the constant influx of new paddlers that's the problem.
Legion i live in sydney have shortboarded all my life and now a sup addict you say all sup riders are kooks because you have seen kooks on sups what a tiny little world you must live in, mate if i go down to manly beach on any given day i can see 100s of kooks on shortboards, therefore by your judgement all shortboard riders are kooks ha? I think not ! i no this would only be a simple minded fool who would think like this? Mate in every spot there are kooks by your thoughts and coments im guessing you are one of them im sure there are a heap of guys on here who could out surf you on a shorty any day of the week. Mate you should really open your eyes and see this big word out there.
And what do you really get out of being a hater?
At one stage we where all KOOKS.
It's this mindset that kooks suck that put me off surfing when I was teen.
"Look at this fat wog kid trying to surf"
When I see somebody trying to learn I will encourage them and give the pointers.
All surf crafts have there merits in the surf,but learn in a safe area progress in unpopulated areas then hit the line up and feel like a surfer.
Posers should take it one step at a time, eventually you'll get respect and give it back.
XXL hazza
I frequent our local shortbaord forum on Realsurf where interestingly they rarely diss on the other types of surfing.
Doggie,you clearly visit for the right reasons ,and by your own interpretation Legion doesn't,so if he thinks bagging sup is going to make it go away, he's in for a rude awakening.I usually don't get into personalities on this forum but,really Gerry Lopez,Laird,Tommy Carrol,great shortboarders by any bodies measuring stick,are supriders why?because it's fun,just like the first time you surfed and new it would be somthing you always wanted to do!!
Let's admit it, it's not till the bagging people starts that the forums get interesting. If Laurie started a category related to hanging sh#t on each other it would be the most popular.
Oh and the sexy chick shots.
Sure, but IMO it would not be appropriate for me to go on and slag off the whole concept of short boarding for example (not that I would as have been riding one for 37 years on and off).
But hey each to their own.
see how that works? We are all happy again
Hey Doggie and Legion
I used to be exactly like you guys
I hated sup' Called them every name in the book
Sea sweepers, Stand up goat boats etc etc. Everytime i used to see them in the water i would be saying "here comes Laird"
But finally it happened when i swallowed my pride
Faced with small and fat condition while i was on holidays to see the parents i decided to hire a sup and take it out for a bash.
Thought i would kill it but it probably nearly killed me.
After a few days i sort of got the hang of it
Anyways when the swell picked up again i was flagging the sup and riding my normal boards.
Have to say even after a few days on the sup it did wonders for your balance. Felt like you can push those turns a bit harder
It was probably like standing on an indo board for 2 days
I now own a sup among 10 shortboards but instead of going home when the surfs ****. I grab the sup and go for solo sessions wherever i'm going to be surfing by myself
I don't expect to convert you guys or anything. I probably agree with a lot of your opinions
But its definitely a better alternative than going home and doing whatever wishing i was in the water.
I'm not in my middleage or overweight and i have been surfing since i was a little kid but i do have work and relationship committments and i want to be in the water when i have some spare time regardless of the equipment. Geez i suppose i even enjoy a swim
And sup does help to improve your surfing adding to that performance that makes boardriding fun
Legion crowds don't worry me to much.
The pack that I surf with all get out at dawn so there isn't to much traffic from beginners.By giving pointers to the kooks your actually will be improving the future .
They will realise that they have to surf where there ability allows them.My local does not like SUP out there so I don't go out there with it when it's good.
Only Sup there when it's not.If I want to paddle I will go somewhere that wont bother to many people,Or a different spot.
We live in a populated city with many middle age people that have houses by the coast,They will want to share the passion for surfing for sure,it cant be avoided.
By education it will make things easier for the future.
If I want to I can have the lineup to my self,I'm not XXL for nothing LOL.
XXL hazza
