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I've been riding sups now for about three years and have gone from
180L
170L
148L
130L
125L
121L
110L
My weight has probably gone down from 90kg - 85kg in that time and I've been trying to progress so I can kind of ride like I used to ride a short board (the memory is very distant and hazy from about twenty five years ago when I stopped riding a board due to busyness, 4 kids & injury)
Obviously board shape makes such a huge difference to stability rather than just litres ie stubby square nose and parallel rails v pointy nose and rocker. But man it's incredible fun experimenting. I went out this morning after not surfing for a few days (I had to go to Melbourne for work) when I got out the back with some cross chop and swell bumps and a wetsuit, it was much more of a struggle than glassy smooth surf and just boardshoarts. One tip though: I've found balancing on a bosu ball in the gym in between surfs really helpful when I get back out.
PS I'm currently riding a Jimmy Lewis Worldwide 8'1" and loving life. And I'm eyeing the 107L Barra in the video above.... have fun experimenting!
Very interesting discussion. Got me thinking allot about board size and width (to much actually). Here is the same surfer (hope you don't mind) on a:
7'10x29.5'' 108L
, but still rips. I am not convinced that you need to go sub 30'' to rip......
Well last few weeks I have tried a few of my boards in different types of waves. All sub 3 foot waves.
I have a love hate relationship with my 88 Speeed. I had two days of pure bliss. 300-400m rides in river mouth peelers 1-2ft max.
Took it out in beach break in 3ft faces at near low tide. The board just flies and kept getting thrown off back. Not fun.
So the 88 Speed is about 1.75 - 1.90 vol to weight ratio ....so yes it is big .
This has me thinking . Is SUP better suited to larger people ? Stupid question ?
Maybe but I'll explain why I ask.
The lighter you are the smaller the board should be for a surf SUP (let's assume a 1.3 weight to vol ratio).
This means less glide .
If you are 45kg a good board for surfing based on say a 1.3 ratio would be around 60L. There are not too many 60L boards which will give you good glide that are sufficiently wide . So as you get lighter it gets harder to keep the glide .
A 90kg rider could ride my 88Speeed and it would still have a good outline and length for glide .
The shorter the board the more work to catch waves and the more you need to be close to the pocket which takes away the advantage of SUP in the first place .
Is my logic flawed ? Particularly for the average SUPer . I have excluded freaks like Kai Lenny and so forth from my thinking .
Thanks guys for you ratio's and reality checks.
I have been pronie 67kg wife's Sup demo board caddy over last few days as she found my sup's big ( I'm 114kg,53y,6'2 ) @ 150 - 160lt 31-34w. Demo's are 7'8 HyperNut 113lt , Stubby 8'6 120lt, Speeed 8'10 130LT. With the HN her like after 2 sessions in clean small 1-2 ,
l had a go on the speed 8'10 for a laugh. The pop-up sweet spot was eventually found and suprise....waves with turns
. Not much board showing
Next session, knee high faces with some nice nosetime and harder tail turns. then strong wind chopped it up 
I surprised at the stability this could be a ON as both other boards were sinkers and couldn't make it happen. The REALITY is up for review 
Thank you
Go as small as you can still paddling slowly trolling for wave out the back. I am 75-77kg and ride a 87L 7'10 27 Ecs weapon which is shaped similar to a short board, with lots of concave. It's just as easy to paddle onto a wave due to the concave and flat rocker. It goes so much faster and better on a wave then all of my bigger SUP's with more liters eg 8' Pro Vex 116 liter, 7'2 bambam 116 liters, Evoke 8'3 130L, even in small knee high weak surf. Basically to keep balance I have to slowly paddle around in cycles but its great fitness and can easily do this for a usual 1.5 hour surf, or longer if I have more time. I have ridden a 77L 7'4 fanatic but found the effort to keep it on top of the water was to much effort. So at your weight of 72 kg go for something between 84 and 95 Liters, thats if you plan to SUP surf alot, because paddle technique keeps you balanced. A bigger board is just to corky on a wave and doesn't give that much better balance.
, but still rips. I am not convinced that you need to go sub 30'' to rip......
Wouldn't mind knowing what people's thoughts are on height vs volume as well or I just need to get over being 6,2 and excuses haha. I guess the width of the board as you go higher makes a big difference. I still like being under 30inch boards even if it's hard haha.
"Sunovas float more"
Maybe it's because if the weight of the actual boards as well. Surely a heavier board at the same litreage would sit lower in the water
As I understand it, for Surfboards - it's a calculation based on the CAD drawing - taken from a few measurements:
Overall width + Length, then width at (usually I think) 15" from nose and Tail.
Although i'm happy to be proven wrong...
Another thought was, Sunova is surfboard company making Sups, where as Naish / JP / Starboard etc are all Windsurf companies making Sups so maybe they measure differently because of their backgrounds...
Yes Colas, CAD program computes the volume automatically and more than that it is able to compute a final volume once the board design. For instance the board I'm showing here can be computed quickly in a 30 liters 6' 19'' shortboard for my son.
Brenno, should be the extra 5 liters you find out on your board comes from the forgotten parameter of thickness and therefore the final volume of the lamination or tuff skin of your board.
Designing SUP on CAD program as Shape3D allow to give the accurate volume distribution which is so important for the best stand up paddling balance without compromise of an extra volume.
But a good choice of extra volume can still do a comfortable and rippable board like Scott or Bert and others are doing.
For instance, the board I've drawn for my own use, I have a minimum but still comfortable dims is the best volume distribution with the best shape I can draw. Please look on the diagram of the volume repartition below here and see how even are the quarter volumes on my board. 14,3% 35,8% 35,6% 14,2% . This volume repartition is the most stable it can be and doesn't need extra volume to paddle into the waves. So with 90 liters to my 78 Kg body and a light built board 6.5 kg, I may have a reliable volume for some frothing take off and bottom turns! An extra volume would be a pain ripping the curl of waves.
Look at this beauty, so proud of this design
. Agung will let me surf it in Bali in September for sure!
www.shape3d.com/Viewers/Viewer3D.aspx?Account=6301&BoardName=KANOLINE
well I'm 97Kg, when i was 100-102 rode my Fanatic Prowave at 104L. Fortnight ago i thought i'd see how far i could push it and bought a cheap-ie JP pro 7'4 X 27 @90 litres. Whilst i cant really wait around out the back all day (if I cannot see something immediately when getting out the back, I just sit down on the board and wait), I rarely miss a wave when they come through. BUT MAN does it surf....
So board is 6Kg (with fins, tail pad, wax and leggy - not bad), I'd be say 98 wet plus paddle on 90l, puts me around 0.87 factor.
Its certainly not easy, but its certainly not impossible. Back to the topic at hand - its all about what you want from your surfing... I think there's so much talk about weight Plus 'X' (like no less than 1.2) that a lot of people don't think its possible and therefore don't show the lower volume the patience they need to actually get used to it... because it certainly takes some time, you just need the desire to see it through.
- but they mostly sat out the back until the right wave came.
- but they mostly sat out the back until the right wave came.
- but they mostly sat out the back until the right wave came.
