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getting the right downwinder

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Created by markpierra > 9 months ago, 14 May 2010
markpierra
3 posts
14 May 2010 1:07PM
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howdy folks i was hoping someone has advice on a suitable downwinder for me.i paddle a lot in very wind affected closed waters,chop not often exceeding 1 ft. i have a 12 something jimmy lewis gets blown around a fair bit.im thinking something low in the water with a displacement nose. ability to step back and surf not essential,as for steering im not sure.any ideas?

DavidJohn
VIC, 17462 posts
14 May 2010 4:32PM
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Just get yourself an AST 14' Naish Glide.. and you can thank me later..

DJ

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
14 May 2010 4:57PM
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Check out the Buy & Sell section of Seabreeze - there's a 14' Glide on the Gold Coast and 12' Glide at Torquay. When comparing prices with a store, make sure you are aware of whether it's the AST version (yellow hull) or the more expensive one (white hull). I think it's about a $500 difference.

mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
14 May 2010 5:10PM
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Mate, there are plenty of other choices out there other than these.

Where are you located as this could help determine what might be best for you? The Australian shapers are making really good DW boards at the moment so you do not have to buy something that's imported.

Another thing to consider is what you think you will be getting into. Do you want to do close inshore downwinders or deeper offshore ones? Are you a racer or more of a cruiser?

Try demo a few brands and check out what's available 2nd hand first.

Newmo
VIC, 471 posts
14 May 2010 5:20PM
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Hi Mark
You could always make yourself one,


I should add thats not mine and thats not me

angie pangi
QLD, 1779 posts
14 May 2010 5:27PM
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mikeman said...

Mate, there are plenty of other choices out there other than these.

Where are you located as this could help determine what might be best for you? The Australian shapers are making really good DW boards at the moment so you do not have to buy something that's imported.

Another thing to consider is what you think you will be getting into. Do you want to do close inshore downwinders or deeper offshore ones? Are you a racer or more of a cruiser?

Try demo a few brands and check out what's available 2nd hand first.


Mate
There's a few good boards out there but the Naish are good and awesome durabilty and they are try'd and tested shapes that work they are not proto types and they hold there value very well if you decide to up grade down the track. At the salt water event Naish filled most of the top places. Mikes right on one point get a board for what you want to do. Naish have a good range SIC are about to bring out some very good boards at very good prices and all these boards are TRY'D and TESTED.
Jacko
and yes i am sponsored by naish.

markpierra
3 posts
14 May 2010 3:45PM
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i guess im more of a cruiser.im not interested in competing.i live south of margaret river in western australia.and i suppose the in shore as cruising offshore around here by myself doesnt really intrigue me ,yet that is.I think theres a naish distributer in WA.why the 14 and not the 17?

angie pangi
QLD, 1779 posts
14 May 2010 5:50PM
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The 17 is good as well and fast with the wind behind it it also has a rudder but it is a big board and a bit harder to get around the place but if you have the room and dont mind lugging around a big board i would go for it.

The 14 is a great DW board its fast and easy, as its very hard to put the nose under water so more time to enjoy the paddle..

Both great boards

What about JL they are in margret river and do some race boards dont they??

hilly
WA, 7323 posts
14 May 2010 4:14PM
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markpierra said...

i guess im more of a cruiser.im not interested in competing.i live south of margaret river in western australia.and i suppose the in shore as cruising offshore around here by myself doesnt really intrigue me ,yet that is.I think theres a naish distributer in WA.why the 14 and not the 17?


Starboard and corban have some good cruiser style boards call Jason www.westozkiteboarding.com.au/ or courts at www.supsurfaustralia.com/SUP_Stand_Up_Paddle_Boards/Home.html for a JL

Zimbo Reagan
WA, 469 posts
14 May 2010 4:16PM
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Hi Mark

Every comment above is spot on.

From a WA perspective and in your region you should contact Courtney Gray (AKA Courts) at SUP Surf Australia. They are the WA agents for Jimmy Lewis and the 12'6 Albatross is a great board for South West Conditions and what you are looking for.

If you come up to Perth the guys at Auswind have a good selection of Starboard, Naish and PSH (Paddle Surf Hawaii). I would recommend the Starboard Cruiser or Naish 12 glide.

Scarborough Longboards also do Naish and some other brands as well.


Disclaimer - no affiliations whatsoever with any boards or shops.

dtm
NSW, 1610 posts
14 May 2010 6:57PM
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hey guys what would be the best down winder for ocean stuff no flatwater paddling just open ocean in the 12 to 12'6" range any help would be great as i dont wanna be steered towards a flat water board and be spewing
cheers

hilly
WA, 7323 posts
14 May 2010 5:06PM
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dtm said...

hey guys what would be the best down winder for ocean stuff no flatwater paddling just open ocean in the 12 to 12'6" range any help would be great as i dont wanna be steered towards a flat water board and be spewing
cheers


Just got the 14 glide very happy as a downwinder. Best proddy one about IMHO. Bellies DC16 looks good for ruddered board his JL Albatross honks along downwind as well

markpierra
3 posts
14 May 2010 7:31PM
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i have a albatross and find it to wind affected ive been padlind in the deadwater at augusta from the colorpatch boatramp down to the mouth.sometimes ive paddled back into an outgoing tide and a 20-35kt sw and wouldnt be able to do it on my albatross[id end up glued to east augusta and walking home]ive got a starboard wopper and a coupla JL 10' 8".I can manage on any of these but when the wins wrong not the tross.I love these conditions rugged up I couldnt think of many places id rather be.just be better on the right down or maybe up winder.

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
14 May 2010 9:41PM
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The 14 Glide does have versatility. Quite fast on flat water, great downwinder, and it actually a nice board to surf in small waves, and even handles head high waves without fuss (*).

* it probably helps if you are already a competent surfer, and you understand the boards limitations - message me if you like, and I can explain over the phone how to ride it in surf, if you are interested... the do's and don'ts !!! But Skype would be even better, with the help of the hands during conversation !! I'm on skype...

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
14 May 2010 9:48PM
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dtm said...

hey guys what would be the best down winder for ocean stuff no flatwater paddling just open ocean in the 12 to 12'6" range any help would be great as i dont wanna be steered towards a flat water board and be spewing
cheers


Why the limit of 12' to 12'6" if your plan is to mainly paddle in the ocean? Unless you are looking to race in a 12'6" and under class, most people I've spoken with seem to prefer 14' and up for ocean paddling.

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
14 May 2010 10:27PM
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dtm said...

hey guys what would be the best down winder for ocean stuff no flatwater paddling just open ocean in the 12 to 12'6" range any help would be great as i dont wanna be steered towards a flat water board and be spewing
cheers


i got a look at the new starboard surf. very impressive and would have to be the bench mark in the 12'6 bop /moderate conditions style class board and would love to try one. having said that, i don't understand why any body would willing paddle a 12'6 board out in the ocean
cheers

cRAZY Canuk
NSW, 2528 posts
14 May 2010 11:20PM
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dtm said...

hey guys what would be the best down winder for ocean stuff no flatwater paddling just open ocean in the 12 to 12'6" range any help would be great as i dont wanna be steered towards a flat water board and be spewing
cheers


As pointed out why 12-12'6 for ocean paddling?

I though about going the 12'6" the only reason that pointed me in the 12'6" size was to do the races with the Sydney Stand Up Paddle Club - but as most of my paddling is open ocean or the Harbor with my partner in her Ocean Ski I went up to 14' - I also weight 100kg.

Sam at wind surf 'n snow has his DC 12'6" and SB The Point 14'8" for sale (there in the buy and sell section) wander down and have a look.

dtm
NSW, 1610 posts
15 May 2010 12:10AM
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well guys 12'6" for me is a big board i have many reasons for this size
1. my normal board is 8'8" and could go shorter its also super thin under 100litres
as i weight in around 71 to 74 kgs and 5'6" tall
2. storage is an issue with boards over 12'6" as i rent
3. sydney paddle club limit is 12'6" for there races not that i really care about that as i will never compete with the likes of sam with an bung elbow that i cant straighten.
so is the glide a down wind specific design? or is it more of an all rounder? flatwater?

oliver
3952 posts
14 May 2010 10:35PM
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I haven't read all of this thread but going on personal experience, I reckon 14' AST naish. I own one and it works great for a lot of conditions - flat water, tinsy surf, out there downwinders.

Very good price for a new board, and excellent resale value if for whatever reason it won't work for you.

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
15 May 2010 12:59AM
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dtm said...

so is the glide a down wind specific design? or is it more of an all rounder? flatwater?




My 2c worth? Both the 12' and 14' Glides are downwinders with some very good all rounder capabilities. But there are many faster and better options for flat water.

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
15 May 2010 8:50AM
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dtm said...

well guys 12'6" for me is a big board i have many reasons for this size
1. my normal board is 8'8" and could go shorter its also super thin under 100litres
as i weight in around 71 to 74 kgs and 5'6" tall
2. storage is an issue with boards over 12'6" as i rent
3. sydney paddle club limit is 12'6" for there races not that i really care about that as i will never compete with the likes of sam with an bung elbow that i cant straighten.
so is the glide a down wind specific design? or is it more of an all rounder? flatwater?


hi, a short surfing sup and down wind board aren't related in terms of lenght or how much bigger it is to a surfing sup.i'm sure if enough people get bigger boards casso and co will race bigger classes.do some testing. there is going to be a lot of 12'6 designs on the market.test a 12'6 in the ocean, big difference in handling one in the flat and being in the open ocean. the 12'6 is a tricky class. to have a fast 12'6 and race it takes a lot of skill, more than a 14"imo
cheers
cheers

WINDSURFnSNOW
NSW, 1612 posts
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15 May 2010 9:25AM
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Hey DTM,

Come steel my DC for a bit. Fast but also surfs nice when it's big, full and fun.

Sam.

cRAZY Canuk
NSW, 2528 posts
15 May 2010 9:36AM
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dtm said...

well guys 12'6" for me is a big board i have many reasons for this size
1. my normal board is 8'8" and could go shorter its also super thin under 100litres
as i weight in around 71 to 74 kgs and 5'6" tall
2. storage is an issue with boards over 12'6" as i rent
3. sydney paddle club limit is 12'6" for there races not that i really care about that as i will never compete with the likes of sam with an bung elbow that i cant straighten.
so is the glide a down wind specific design? or is it more of an all rounder? flatwater?


Sounds like you have a couple more constraints that I did.

Any luck there's enough 14's around to have a 14' class some time soon around here.

Sam has a Naish glide 12 (an all white one - AST ?) and his DC 12'6" in the shop - try both - both great boards I found the naish has more stability but tthe DC is faster imo.

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
15 May 2010 10:45AM
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Sam has a Naish glide 12 (an all white one - AST ?)



If it's all white including the rails and on the bottom but with a little wooden tip on the bow, then that's the lightweight carbon wood construction. The cheaper AST version has a yellow bottom and rails.

dtm
NSW, 1610 posts
15 May 2010 12:22PM
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yeah cheers guys diffenately keen on and around the 12 foot range as i done a few paddles lately, ocean ones on an 11 footer flat water sup and that felt fine so 12foot so be a walk in the park and i arnt really looking at racing and breaking records or something i just want a good down wind board that i can paddle with casso and hopefully goatie when he pulls his finger out and gets one. An Lacey im not really into flat water paddling so not sure how a board handles in it?

Sam thanks for the offer camp i might swing by and take a look.
cheers Dan

Casso
NSW, 3768 posts
15 May 2010 1:15PM
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dtm said...

hey guys what would be the best down winder for ocean stuff no flatwater paddling just open ocean in the 12 to 12'6" range any help would be great as i dont wanna be steered towards a flat water board and be spewing
cheers

The 12'0" PSH goes unreal in a downwinder - so stable and surfs runners really well. Not the fastest in that class but maybe the most fun (becuase it's so easy to stay upright on).

If you are looking for something with a little more speed, the DC 12'6" is a great option. A lot trickier to balanace on when it's bumpy but I'm calling it the fastest ocean going board in the 12'6" class.

mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
15 May 2010 2:54PM
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Casso said...

dtm said...

hey guys what would be the best down winder for ocean stuff no flatwater paddling just open ocean in the 12 to 12'6" range any help would be great as i dont wanna be steered towards a flat water board and be spewing
cheers

The 12'0" PSH goes unreal in a downwinder - so stable and surfs runners really well. Not the fastest in that class but maybe the most fun (becuase it's so easy to stay upright on).

If you are looking for something with a little more speed, the DC 12'6" is a great option. A lot trickier to balanace on when it's bumpy but I'm calling it the fastest ocean going board in the 12'6" class.



You need to remember that the DC boards can either be built for additional stability, whether DC12'6", DC14, DC16 or DC17. The DC12'6" that Casso has is a little more unstable than other boards.

Another example is Lacey's DC14 (the Rocket) - it is very quick but also rather unstable. It is more designed for flatter water than rougher waters. My new DC14 (the Orange) is both very quick and very stable as it was designed for very long ocean paddles. Being custom designed they can be made to suit the users requirements.

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
15 May 2010 4:54PM
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mikeman said...

Casso said...

dtm said...

hey guys what would be the best down winder for ocean stuff no flatwater paddling just open ocean in the 12 to 12'6" range any help would be great as i dont wanna be steered towards a flat water board and be spewing
cheers

The 12'0" PSH goes unreal in a downwinder - so stable and surfs runners really well. Not the fastest in that class but maybe the most fun (becuase it's so easy to stay upright on).

If you are looking for something with a little more speed, the DC 12'6" is a great option. A lot trickier to balanace on when it's bumpy but I'm calling it the fastest ocean going board in the 12'6" class.



You need to remember that the DC boards can either be built for additional stability, whether DC12'6", DC14, DC16 or DC17. The DC12'6" that Casso has is a little more unstable than other boards.

Another example is Lacey's DC14 (the Rocket) - it is very quick but also rather unstable. It is more designed for flatter water than rougher waters. My new DC14 (the Orange) is both very quick and very stable as it was designed for very long ocean paddles. Being custom designed they can be made to suit the users requirements.


i did a paddle from the alley to greenmount and back today.i've got a good fin right back in the slot and as an experiment we put some 30mm footwells in the board which has made a difference. it still easy to surf in on- not the trouble i thought it might be with the foot wells. yes, it's a difficult board, but with this board you just about don't need wind, just some lumps and it will catch them. i use this board for training and light dw er's,so when i get on just about any other board it's going to be easy. train on a hard board, race on an easy one. paddling this board in the ocean is teaching me new things every time
cheers

dtm
NSW, 1610 posts
15 May 2010 5:15PM
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yeah the dc sounds good .
lacey how many boards do u have mate? enough so u can train on one board and race on another? lucky guy! Im just after one down winder and struggle to get that as ive already got me two 8'8" now ,

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
15 May 2010 5:30PM
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dtm said...

yeah the dc sounds good .
lacey how many boards do u have mate? enough so u can train on one board and race on another? lucky guy! Im just after one down winder and struggle to get that as ive already got me two 8'8" now ,


hi, i 've got a 14' flatwater/ light down winder and a 17' er being made. the main part is out of the machine and the tail gets machined on monday- the foam gets joined. looks amazing, the dihedral is at the nose is 8' deep, but the main standing part will be about 51/4.it's the same breed of board as the rocket, the mango, mikes new board and casso's, but at 17'. also should be reasonably stable. this board is pretty exiting and dale has decided to do one for himself for the 100k paddle. so yeah, i will have 2 dw boards that will just about cover anything i will be doing
any, back to the topic
cheers

mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
17 May 2010 4:14PM
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My new DC14 has a very nice balance between stability and speed, which is the beauty of going for a custom design. This board was built for the 100km paddle (for me) so I wanted as much stability as I could get. It's got a rudder system as well as a fin box so you can use it in whatever category you want to. It is full carbon fibre so came out really light and strong.

I have done some sea trials and am extremely happy with the outcome. Here are a few photos after a nice early morning paddle:






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