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A interesting point of view on Sharks.

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Created by jbshack > 9 months ago, 18 Nov 2012
kwalkington
WA, 87 posts
20 Nov 2012 7:45PM
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talking about it hasn't helped so far

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
20 Nov 2012 7:55PM
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kwalkington said...
talking about it hasn't helped so far


Yeah your right. Lets just forget about it and hope the nice honest politicians do something about it. After all there so trust worthy

It's not normally my style to just sit on my hands and hope someone else fixes the problem for me

But feel free not up read along.

MickPC
8266 posts
20 Nov 2012 10:43PM
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doggie said...
Mask said...
doggie said...
jbshack said...
Personally I think marine biologists & tourist operators are responsible for associating humans with food & there are a greater number of sharks in the water due to the world wide great white shark protection. As a result we are seeing more shark attacks.



I agree and I beleive you should also throw fisherman in that list.


Biologists face a necessary evil that if they need to be tagged they have to get them close to the boat.


Just tag them with a torpedo from a distance.


Yea ...... na, that wont work either

How many do you think we would need to cull to have an effect?


Just the big ones that appear to be hanging around close to the coastline. Allow fishermen to catch & keep sharks they have caught over a certain size, like other fish. In other words stop protecting them & I agree on what you said about further development for shark shield technology. I'd prefer the government put money towards that & a subsidy program to make them more affordable for everyone. Could be hard to fund though, probably get 1/2 the population wanting one : P

mocha1
WA, 933 posts
20 Nov 2012 11:12PM
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I agree on what you said about further development for shark shield technology. I'd prefer the government put money towards that & a subsidy program to make them more affordable for everyone. Could be hard to fund though, probably get 1/2 the population wanting one : P


and then...UNFORTUNATELY...... watch the same shonks that F$%^$Kd up the solar panel and roof insulation schemes come out of the wood work with NEW qualifications!!

however there is a trust worthy bloke working to develop an affordable device especially for surfers........but needs gov assistance the same assistance they SAY they are willing to give when asked on TV or RADIO but in reality....................


makes a good board too!!!

MickPC
8266 posts
20 Nov 2012 11:46PM
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mocha1 said...


I agree on what you said about further development for shark shield technology. I'd prefer the government put money towards that & a subsidy program to make them more affordable for everyone. Could be hard to fund though, probably get 1/2 the population wanting one : P


and then...UNFORTUNATELY...... watch the same shonks that F$%^$Kd up the solar panel and roof insulation schemes come out of the wood work with NEW qualifications!!

however there is a trust worthy bloke working to develop an affordable device especially for surfers........but needs gov assistance the same assistance they SAY they are willing to give when asked on TV or RADIO but in reality....................


makes a good board too!!!



I'm going to take a guess here, would that be Dave Smith? Since your profile has a Katana board & it wouldn't surprise me if he was, he's always been an innovative chap...I remember when he used sanded fibreglass in place of Qcells at his uncles sand filter factory back in 1989 & had to sand the moulds for hours, did the trick though lol : D

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
21 Nov 2012 11:38AM
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MickPC said...
doggie said...
Mask said...
doggie said...
jbshack said...
Personally I think marine biologists & tourist operators are responsible for associating humans with food & there are a greater number of sharks in the water due to the world wide great white shark protection. As a result we are seeing more shark attacks.



I agree and I beleive you should also throw fisherman in that list.


Biologists face a necessary evil that if they need to be tagged they have to get them close to the boat.


Just tag them with a torpedo from a distance.


Yea ...... na, that wont work either

How many do you think we would need to cull to have an effect?


Just the big ones that appear to be hanging around close to the coastline. Allow fishermen to catch & keep sharks they have caught over a certain size, like other fish. In other words stop protecting them & I agree on what you said about further development for shark shield technology. I'd prefer the government put money towards that & a subsidy program to make them more affordable for everyone. Could be hard to fund though, probably get 1/2 the population wanting one : P


Problem is that you would have to pay the "fishermen" to do the job as in a contract type of agreement that they could only catch sharks of a certain type and size. How many "contractors" are you going to need to make a dent in the GWS population?

kwalkington
WA, 87 posts
21 Nov 2012 12:05PM
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JB if u think this forum can actually fix the shark prob then your even funnier than the polies

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
21 Nov 2012 12:21PM
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kwalkington said...
JB if u think this forum can actually fix the shark prob then your even funnier than the polies


Thing is he isnt trying to use the forum to change things, but get the word out that the gov is do fa about the problem. After all we are only surfers

Woodo
WA, 792 posts
21 Nov 2012 12:25PM
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I just bought a bigger boat and have a high powered weapon. Just sayin...

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
21 Nov 2012 1:00PM
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Woodo said...
I just bought a bigger boat and have a high powered weapon. Just sayin...


Lets go, Im keen for some "fishing"

Woodo
WA, 792 posts
21 Nov 2012 1:31PM
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doggie said...
Woodo said...
I just bought a bigger boat and have a high powered weapon. Just sayin...


Lets go, Im keen for some "fishing"



jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
21 Nov 2012 2:13PM
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kwalkington said...
JB if u think this forum can actually fix the shark prob then your even funnier than the polies


Never thought that. But i do know that sticking my head in the sand wont help either..Unless you like getting your arse rapped

Why shouldn't we try and educate ourselves about making our sport safer Honestly i find the attitude againest descussing the issue at hand almost half of the problem in itself

MickPC
8266 posts
21 Nov 2012 11:20PM
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doggie said...
MickPC said...
doggie said...
Mask said...
doggie said...
jbshack said...
Personally I think marine biologists & tourist operators are responsible for associating humans with food & there are a greater number of sharks in the water due to the world wide great white shark protection. As a result we are seeing more shark attacks.



I agree and I beleive you should also throw fisherman in that list.


Biologists face a necessary evil that if they need to be tagged they have to get them close to the boat.


Just tag them with a torpedo from a distance.


Yea ...... na, that wont work either

How many do you think we would need to cull to have an effect?


Just the big ones that appear to be hanging around close to the coastline. Allow fishermen to catch & keep sharks they have caught over a certain size, like other fish. In other words stop protecting them & I agree on what you said about further development for shark shield technology. I'd prefer the government put money towards that & a subsidy program to make them more affordable for everyone. Could be hard to fund though, probably get 1/2 the population wanting one : P


Problem is that you would have to pay the "fishermen" to do the job as in a contract type of agreement that they could only catch sharks of a certain type and size. How many "contractors" are you going to need to make a dent in the GWS population?




Hmmm good question assuming we would have to pay fishermen to catch them. I've always been under the impression there were guys out there that enjoyed catching them. I guess you'd have to consider what is an acceptable method of catching them also. It would be a lot easier with a drum line than rocking up in your 4m runabout & big game fishing tackle haha...But without removing the protection of GWS, we can't even try & doing nothing certainly isn't going to help.

MickPC
8266 posts
21 Nov 2012 11:24PM
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Woodo said...
I just bought a bigger boat and have a high powered weapon. Just sayin...



doggie
WA, 15849 posts
22 Nov 2012 2:20PM
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MickPC said...
doggie said...
MickPC said...
doggie said...
Mask said...
doggie said...
jbshack said...
Personally I think marine biologists & tourist operators are responsible for associating humans with food & there are a greater number of sharks in the water due to the world wide great white shark protection. As a result we are seeing more shark attacks.



I agree and I beleive you should also throw fisherman in that list.


Biologists face a necessary evil that if they need to be tagged they have to get them close to the boat.


Just tag them with a torpedo from a distance.


Yea ...... na, that wont work either

How many do you think we would need to cull to have an effect?


Just the big ones that appear to be hanging around close to the coastline. Allow fishermen to catch & keep sharks they have caught over a certain size, like other fish. In other words stop protecting them & I agree on what you said about further development for shark shield technology. I'd prefer the government put money towards that & a subsidy program to make them more affordable for everyone. Could be hard to fund though, probably get 1/2 the population wanting one : P


Problem is that you would have to pay the "fishermen" to do the job as in a contract type of agreement that they could only catch sharks of a certain type and size. How many "contractors" are you going to need to make a dent in the GWS population?




Hmmm good question assuming we would have to pay fishermen to catch them. I've always been under the impression there were guys out there that enjoyed catching them. I guess you'd have to consider what is an acceptable method of catching them also. It would be a lot easier with a drum line than rocking up in your 4m runabout & big game fishing tackle haha...But without removing the protection of GWS, we can't even try & doing nothing certainly isn't going to help.


If you really wanted to cull a lot in a short space of time a whale carcase is the best way. We have all seen footage of them feasting on one. Some times you can get 5-6 at a time. Imo they leave dead whales for too long before they decide to move them. They should get them way out to sea as soon as they are reported.
Maybe they could tag the smaller ones while they are at it.
You are right the protected species thing makes it much harder to do anything but it would be worse if we boat loads of people going out just to target gws because they are not protected anymore.

JB is right and he has done alot of research, calling authorities and emailing them in regards to this so at least someone isnt waiting for the next attack to try and change peoples minds.

Prevention is the best cure, someone said that

swalkington
WA, 401 posts
22 Nov 2012 2:44PM
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Anyone noticed that everyone other than the majority of surfers in WA are for the protection of them and oppose a cull. The problem is, people who don't live here can't full understand the problem unless they live it.
I read an article in Surfers Path magazine (which I actually think is generally a good read) about the WA shark situation and the Barnet government etc and it was the most biased, factually incorrect article I have ever read.
Its easy to sit in the comfort of Cornwall in the UK in your white sharkless ocean and call for the preservation of these things Mr Surfers Path. Its much harder to be a surfer in WA, want to surf like you always have and live with the worry of being chomped every time you paddle out.

Wavewidow
33 posts
22 Nov 2012 2:57PM
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it would be nice not to have to get paranoid when theres something big feeding near you like this morning didnt find out what species but was there more than an hour

subasurf
WA, 2154 posts
22 Nov 2012 4:01PM
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Bloody hell, am I the only surfer here that doesn't think about sharks at all while I'm in the water?

These shark discussions are getting out of hand. There has to be more interesting topics to be discussed...surely? Or is shark debates the breadwinner for seabreeze?

kwalkington
WA, 87 posts
22 Nov 2012 4:03PM
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had a roo run past on the track down the beach and a seal in the lieup last surf. These animals are just getting too selfish!

plus i think i actually like those pesky sharks better than those preachy armchair greenies.

flameaway

swalkington
WA, 401 posts
22 Nov 2012 4:24PM
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subasurf said...
There has to be more interesting topics to be discussed...surely?


well, you are doing a degree in sharkology aren't you dr marvin munro?

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
22 Nov 2012 5:21PM
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swalkington said...
Anyone noticed that everyone other than the majority of surfers in WA are for the protection of them and oppose a cull. The problem is, people who don't live here can't full understand the problem unless they live it.
I read an article in Surfers Path magazine (which I actually think is generally a good read) about the WA shark situation and the Barnet government etc and it was the most biased, factually incorrect article I have ever read.
Its easy to sit in the comfort of Cornwall in the UK in your white sharkless ocean and call for the preservation of these things Mr Surfers Path. Its much harder to be a surfer in WA, want to surf like you always have and live with the worry of being chomped every time you paddle out.


I find that interesting. To be honest i would have said most WA surfers that i have spoken to are in for protection of sharks (maybe not those on here)Maybe its just the location Would be interesting if someone could work out how to do a Poll on seabreeze about it

Oh and Barnet is happy. He is using $200000 of that shark money to upgrade his local beach

LateStarter
WA, 589 posts
22 Nov 2012 5:24PM
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swalkington said...
subasurf said...
There has to be more interesting topics to be discussed...surely?


well, you are doing a degree in sharkology aren't you dr marvin munro?


A degree which makes you privvy to the very same information available to anyone with a library card and an internet connection.

Zuke
901 posts
22 Nov 2012 5:59PM
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subasurf said...
Bloody hell, am I the only surfer here that doesn't think about sharks at all while I'm in the water?

These shark discussions are getting out of hand. There has to be more interesting topics to be discussed...surely? Or is shark debates the breadwinner for seabreeze?


Once I'm in the water I don't think about them either Suba, I just enjoy the moment.

I do know a lot of people are pretty paranoid about sharks at the moment though, maybe the seemingly never ending shark topics and comments in other threads on here keeps the thought of them right at the front of peoples minds. For a change and to see what effect the shark situation is having I visited a known spot this week. It was head and a half, barreling and very good. Guess how many were out? Just me for over two hours. I stopped surfing this place years ago because of the crowds and this week I scored it to myself. I'm not selfish, I did call two mates first. After I told them where I was heading one said he had to clean out his gutters before the winter rains and the other just said no.

Maybe it's not all bad!

MickPC
8266 posts
22 Nov 2012 6:38PM
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doggie said...
MickPC said...
doggie said...
MickPC said...
doggie said...
Mask said...
doggie said...
jbshack said...
Personally I think marine biologists & tourist operators are responsible for associating humans with food & there are a greater number of sharks in the water due to the world wide great white shark protection. As a result we are seeing more shark attacks.



I agree and I beleive you should also throw fisherman in that list.


Biologists face a necessary evil that if they need to be tagged they have to get them close to the boat.


Just tag them with a torpedo from a distance.


Yea ...... na, that wont work either

How many do you think we would need to cull to have an effect?


Just the big ones that appear to be hanging around close to the coastline. Allow fishermen to catch & keep sharks they have caught over a certain size, like other fish. In other words stop protecting them & I agree on what you said about further development for shark shield technology. I'd prefer the government put money towards that & a subsidy program to make them more affordable for everyone. Could be hard to fund though, probably get 1/2 the population wanting one : P


Problem is that you would have to pay the "fishermen" to do the job as in a contract type of agreement that they could only catch sharks of a certain type and size. How many "contractors" are you going to need to make a dent in the GWS population?




Hmmm good question assuming we would have to pay fishermen to catch them. I've always been under the impression there were guys out there that enjoyed catching them. I guess you'd have to consider what is an acceptable method of catching them also. It would be a lot easier with a drum line than rocking up in your 4m runabout & big game fishing tackle haha...But without removing the protection of GWS, we can't even try & doing nothing certainly isn't going to help.


If you really wanted to cull a lot in a short space of time a whale carcase is the best way. We have all seen footage of them feasting on one. Some times you can get 5-6 at a time. Imo they leave dead whales for too long before they decide to move them. They should get them way out to sea as soon as they are reported.
Maybe they could tag the smaller ones while they are at it.
You are right the protected species thing makes it much harder to do anything but it would be worse if we boat loads of people going out just to target gws because they are not protected anymore.

JB is right and he has done alot of research, calling authorities and emailing them in regards to this so at least someone isnt waiting for the next attack to try and change peoples minds.

Prevention is the best cure, someone said that


Very true, prevention is the best cure & it would be great if we had a way of preventing shark attack. I'm 6'2 & my boards 6'. The Shark shield in its current form isn't viable when I'm riding my short board & the Hawaiin made ESD hasn't had good reviews. Hopefully someone will come up with something.

I don't expect there will be a quick fix short of everyone staying out of the water, but the last time I was prevented to stay out of the water due to an injury I was damn near suicidal anyway.

I think we need to employ a number of measures to reduce the chance for attack & one of those would have to be the removal of the protection order.

Good idea on using dead beached whales as bait to lure them in for tagging.

MickPC
8266 posts
22 Nov 2012 6:45PM
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Zuke said...
subasurf said...
Bloody hell, am I the only surfer here that doesn't think about sharks at all while I'm in the water?

These shark discussions are getting out of hand. There has to be more interesting topics to be discussed...surely? Or is shark debates the breadwinner for seabreeze?


Once I'm in the water I don't think about them either Suba, I just enjoy the moment.

I do know a lot of people are pretty paranoid about sharks at the moment though, maybe the seemingly never ending shark topics and comments in other threads on here keeps the thought of them right at the front of peoples minds. For a change and to see what effect the shark situation is having I visited a known spot this week. It was head and a half, barreling and very good. Guess how many were out? Just me for over two hours. I stopped surfing this place years ago because of the crowds and this week I scored it to myself. I'm not selfish, I did call two mates first. After I told them where I was heading one said he had to clean out his gutters before the winter rains and the other just said no.

Maybe it's not all bad!


Yep I've noticed the same thing, not quite to the point where no ones out, but the head counts definitely lower unless its really good.

subasurf
WA, 2154 posts
22 Nov 2012 7:13PM
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LateStarter said...
swalkington said...
subasurf said...
There has to be more interesting topics to be discussed...surely?


well, you are doing a degree in sharkology aren't you dr marvin munro?


A degree which makes you privvy to the very same information available to anyone with a library card and an internet connection.




Ignorance must be bliss.

swalkington
WA, 401 posts
22 Nov 2012 7:19PM
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undergrads crack me up,...
such arrogance, with little experience to back it up.

kwalkington
WA, 87 posts
22 Nov 2012 8:16PM
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undergrads think they will save the world

katana
WA, 644 posts
22 Nov 2012 8:22PM
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i've poured thousands of $ and 100"s of man hours into research and development since the last death tested with large sharks and so far all positive i would be wrapped with some government assistance to give this project the boost it now needs .

smicko
WA, 2503 posts
22 Nov 2012 8:28PM
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Have you asked for it (funding) Dave?
Put it in writing and if you get a negative or nil response then take it to the media, they'll be all over it like flies on a holey seal.










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